How are the Sox going to get Kyle Tucker? For Quintana?
he's about worthless now. Sox could have had Tucker but greed got the better of them. I would also abandon all hope for Robert as well.
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| Author: | MartyD47 [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
RMR 1:07 Am I missing something with these reports of the White Sox being in on Robert? Seems like they would be less likely considering they're the only of the rumored teams to have not blown their pool amount already. Eric A Longenhagen 1:07 They're on him and have more or less set the market at this point http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/eric-lon ... il-finale/ Tucker/Moncada/Robert the 2020 rebuilt OF awakens this sleeping giant. |
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| Author: | America [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
How are the Sox going to get Kyle Tucker? For Quintana? he's about worthless now. Sox could have had Tucker but greed got the better of them. I would also abandon all hope for Robert as well.
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| Author: | Cashman [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
America wrote: How are the Sox going to get Kyle Tucker? For Quintana? he's about worthless now. Sox could have had Tucker but greed got the better of them. I would also abandon all hope for Robert as well.Thought I read that Jerry gave Hahn a blank check for this guy. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
America wrote: he's about worthless now. So you know how silly you sound? |
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| Author: | America [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
He's toast. ERA of like 8 in his last 10 starts. The contract doesn't matter if the player isn't any good. Realistically he's worth a fringe top 100 guy or two for a team looking to buy a bounceback. His value is already half what it was in December when Rick Hahn and Kenny decided they were only going to trade him for a Sale-like haul. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
He needs to string like 6 good starts together. he's been shit like America said. I wouldn't touch him now. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
Every guy in big league history has had bad four game stretches. You guys are ridiculous. Quintana's value is no different than it was during Spring Training. Weren't you talking about how Robertson was done too? I remember when Gio Gonzales was "finished" too. Now he might be the best pitcher in baseball. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
Quintana sucked at the end of last year too. figured he was just fatigued. nope. he looks worse than his numbers this year. probably wrecked his arm with that big bender he used to have. |
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| Author: | ChiefWampum [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
Beginning of the season slumps are always overblown, because they create dumb, inaccurate statistics. For example, a RP giving up a 3 run homer in the 7th inning of his first game (but then recording 3 outs), has an ERA of 27.00. People get all bent out of shape. In June, that same 3 run homer moves the guy's ERA from 3.74 to 3.91. And nobody cares. Same goes for SP. A tough 3 or 4 game stretch results in "Player X is broken" at the beginning of the season. But in June, it's "he hit a rough patch with some tough opponents, maybe a tired arm." |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Every guy in big league history has had bad four game stretches. You guys are ridiculous. Quintana's value is no different than it was during Spring Training. Weren't you talking about how Robertson was done too? I remember when Gio Gonzales was "finished" too. Now he might be the best pitcher in baseball. Gio's not close to that. Anyway, after the first start it was "oh, he just had one bad start". Now it's "hey, everybody has bad four game stretches." He's certainly trending downward. |
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| Author: | America [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
Its a comprehensive failure to self scout and anticipate Quintana's fall, not to mention the willful stupidity of demanding their (outlandish) price be met and then acting like toddlers when its not. The handling of the Quintana situation alone should call into question the desire of the front office to rebuild and even more their ability to actually pull off a rebuild correctly. Its a staggering amount of incompetence. It made no sense to hold onto him this offseason and now they are paying dearly for their stubborness. The guy isn't even helping them win games this season. So already, less than one baseball month into the rebuild, they have cost themselves at least one highly regarded prospect by holding onto Quintana past his expiration date. When they miss out on Robert, which knowing Kenny and Jerry I very nearly assure you will happen, they'll also blow their mulligan on making up for lost ground by botching the Quintana situation. The most frustrating part is the success of Gonzalez, Holland and Shields (plus Robertson! Who saw that coming?), provided it can be sustained another month or so, would've put them in a tremendous deadline position to stack even more talent into the system. But that really doesn't matter much when the MLB roster is too good to get a top 5 draft pick in 2018, the front office inexplicably reviles the international FA system (their lack of participation in it is bizarre) and massively important player assets are mismanaged and wasted. Once Robert signs elsewhere that will be three blue chip cornerstone pieces the Sox just let pass by for no good reason. They honestly could not be fucking this up more even if they were trying. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
Hatchetman wrote: Quintana sucked at the end of last year too. figured he was just fatigued. nope. he looks worse than his numbers this year. probably wrecked his arm with that big bender he used to have. You must have missed him dominating in the WBC. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
FavreFan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Every guy in big league history has had bad four game stretches. You guys are ridiculous. Quintana's value is no different than it was during Spring Training. Weren't you talking about how Robertson was done too? I remember when Gio Gonzales was "finished" too. Now he might be the best pitcher in baseball. Gio's not close to that. If we're going off of 4 starts this season he certainly is. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: FavreFan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Every guy in big league history has had bad four game stretches. You guys are ridiculous. Quintana's value is no different than it was during Spring Training. Weren't you talking about how Robertson was done too? I remember when Gio Gonzales was "finished" too. Now he might be the best pitcher in baseball. Gio's not close to that. If we're going off of 4 starts this season he certainly is. Even then he isn't. Ervin Santana probably is. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
FavreFan wrote: Anyway, after the first start it was "oh, he just had one bad start". Now it's "hey, everybody has bad four game stretches." He's certainly trending downward. You know how I feel about Quintana. His W/L record is gonna be a game or two under .500 on a shit team and a game or two over on a good team. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
FavreFan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: FavreFan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Every guy in big league history has had bad four game stretches. You guys are ridiculous. Quintana's value is no different than it was during Spring Training. Weren't you talking about how Robertson was done too? I remember when Gio Gonzales was "finished" too. Now he might be the best pitcher in baseball. Gio's not close to that. If we're going off of 4 starts this season he certainly is. Even then he isn't. Ervin Santana probably is. You're giving Santana too much credit for shutting down the White Sox.
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: FavreFan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: FavreFan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Every guy in big league history has had bad four game stretches. You guys are ridiculous. Quintana's value is no different than it was during Spring Training. Weren't you talking about how Robertson was done too? I remember when Gio Gonzales was "finished" too. Now he might be the best pitcher in baseball. Gio's not close to that. If we're going off of 4 starts this season he certainly is. Even then he isn't. Ervin Santana probably is. You're giving Santana too much credit for shutting down the White Sox. It's not just the Sox. He's off to a tremendous start. I'm beginning to think you might just like to argue. The last four years you argued with everyone except brogue and I that Quintana sucks. Now that everyone is starting to agree Quintana's pretty damn good actually! |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
FavreFan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: FavreFan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: FavreFan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Every guy in big league history has had bad four game stretches. You guys are ridiculous. Quintana's value is no different than it was during Spring Training. Weren't you talking about how Robertson was done too? I remember when Gio Gonzales was "finished" too. Now he might be the best pitcher in baseball. Gio's not close to that. If we're going off of 4 starts this season he certainly is. Even then he isn't. Ervin Santana probably is. You're giving Santana too much credit for shutting down the White Sox. It's not just the Sox. He's off to a tremendous start. I'm beginning to think you might just like to argue. The last four years you argued with everyone except brogue and I that Quintana sucks. Now that everyone is starting to agree Quintana's pretty damn good actually! The guy's a good pitcher. He's locked in right now. But he did shut down the Sox in 2 of his 5 starts so far. |
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| Author: | America [ Mon May 15, 2017 2:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
This may actually happen. First time I've felt like the chances of signing him are substantial. Still think St Louis could easily swoop in. |
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon May 15, 2017 2:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
America wrote: This may actually happen. First time I've felt like the chances of signing him are substantial. Still think St Louis could easily swoop in. I've heard they are the favorite to sign him for months now. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Mon May 15, 2017 5:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
When we gonna find out? |
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| Author: | Juice's Lecture Notes [ Tue May 16, 2017 11:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
FavreFan wrote: Anyway, after the first start it was "oh, he just had one bad start". Now it's "hey, everybody has bad four game stretches." He's certainly trending downward. He has 8 starts this year and 5 Quality Starts. On top of that, he's only had one truly bad start in his last five. He isn't consistently dominating offenses in the way he has in recent years, but we're talking about a sample size of 8 at the end of the day. |
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| Author: | Cashman [ Tue May 16, 2017 11:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: FavreFan wrote: Anyway, after the first start it was "oh, he just had one bad start". Now it's "hey, everybody has bad four game stretches." He's certainly trending downward. He has 8 starts this year and 5 Quality Starts. On top of that, he's only had one truly bad start in his last five. He isn't consistently dominating offenses in the way he has in recent years, but we're talking about a sample size of 8 at the end of the day. This is about the Cuban not Q! |
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| Author: | America [ Fri May 19, 2017 9:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
Jeff Passan wrote that Robert may have already made his decision and it'll be announced tomorrow. Popular opinion is that the White Sox and Cardinals are the two front runners. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Fri May 19, 2017 11:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
I'll believe one day after I see him in a Sox uniform |
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| Author: | spmack [ Fri May 19, 2017 11:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
good dolphin wrote: I'll believe one day after I see him in a Sox uniform Yeah, Red Sox. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Fri May 19, 2017 7:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
According to CiberCuba White Sox ready to sign Cuban prospect Luis Robert |
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri May 19, 2017 7:51 pm ] |
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Keyser Soze wrote: According to CiberCuba White Sox ready to sign Cuban prospect Luis Robert BUST |
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| Author: | America [ Fri May 19, 2017 7:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
Jon Greenberg of the Athletic is calling the White Sox offer "phenomenal" |
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| Author: | Nas [ Fri May 19, 2017 7:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sox Setting Market For Robert? |
Jerry has no problem with paying when he thinks it's worth it. |
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