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Will Moncada and Jimenez be better than Baez?
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Author:  badrogue17 [ Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:22 am ]
Post subject:  Will Moncada and Jimenez be better than Baez?
Does Sox Nation expect better than .260-.270 , 20 jacks, plus defense?
Author:  leashyourkids [ Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Moncada and Jimenez be better than Baez?
Nice job. Now Baez is gonna go zero for his next forty.
Author:  badrogue17 [ Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:37 am ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
Nice job. Now Baez is gonna go zero for his next forty.

He was due for that anyway
Author:  FavreFan [ Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:44 am ]
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Moncada probably won't be. Jimenez will be miles better
Author:  Apologist [ Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:02 am ]
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They both have higher ceilings with the bat. Baez will always be useful because of his defense.
Author:  leashyourkids [ Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:05 am ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Moncada probably won't be. Jimenez will be miles better


I don't want to hear about Cubs fans being fickle again.

You do know that Moncada did well in the minors, too, right? Moncada could still be All-World, and Jimenez could wind up terrible. There's no way to know right now.
Author:  FavreFan [ Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:31 am ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Moncada probably won't be. Jimenez will be miles better


I don't want to hear about Cubs fans being fickle again.

You do know that Moncada did well in the minors, too, right? Moncada could still be All-World, and Jimenez could wind up terrible. There's no way to know right now.

No shit. But "nobody knows, it's worthless to make predictions" is pretty antithetical to even being on a sports message board. Bernstein would be proud though.
Author:  leashyourkids [ Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:36 am ]
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Let's say he was...
Author:  MartyD47 [ Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:47 am ]
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Jimenez resembles Dye in stature. Dye in his age 20 season OPS'd .818 in low A. As a frame of reference, Konerko in his age 20 season OPS'd .944 in hitters leagues in AA and AAA. Jimenez OPS is .951 in high A and AA.
Author:  America [ Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:51 pm ]
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I would not give up Jimenez for any current minor leaguer. Probably not even any teams top 2 prospects combined. He's got a perfect frame for power, legit 80 potential, with good (not just for his profile, like just plain good) aversion to swing and miss. His contact skills overall are exemplary. He also gets on base. He's only 20 and probably only separated from the majors by about 300 PA's.

He's far away the best prospect in the game. Perhaps twice as good as Moncada.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:14 pm ]
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Yes.

The 1000+ OPS Nicky Delmonico might be better than all of them.
Author:  good dolphin [ Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:11 am ]
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Yes.

That isn't some huge bar to jump over.
Author:  312player [ Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:25 am ]
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Jimenez > Baez
Baez > moncada
Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:27 am ]
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312player wrote:
Jimenez > Baez
Baez > moncada

I don't want to hear about Sox fans being fickle again.

You do know that Moncada did well in the minors, too, right? Moncada could still be All-World, and Jimenez could wind up terrible. There's no way to know right now.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:32 am ]
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FavreFan wrote:
312player wrote:
Jimenez > Baez
Baez > moncada

I don't want to hear about Sox fans being fickle again.

You do know that Moncada did well in the minors, too, right? Moncada could still be All-World, and Jimenez could wind up terrible. There's no way to know right now.

What?

Its obviously a prediction. Why didnt you jump down dolphin's throat for assuming both would be better?
Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:40 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
312player wrote:
Jimenez > Baez
Baez > moncada

I don't want to hear about Sox fans being fickle again.

You do know that Moncada did well in the minors, too, right? Moncada could still be All-World, and Jimenez could wind up terrible. There's no way to know right now.

What?

Its obviously a prediction. Why didnt you jump down dolphin's throat for assuming both would be better?

Read the whole thread ya jerk
Author:  Elmhurst Steve [ Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:05 pm ]
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The answer is NO. Baez is an exceptional all around player. A 5 tool player. Jimenez should be a really good hitter, with power. But as an outfielder, he is below average. He takes poor routes on balls in the outfield and is not very fast. Moncada is nowhere near as good offensively or defensively.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:03 pm ]
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An .801 OPS and .271 Avg is NOT exceptional. Baez has also struck out more times over the course of fewer at bats this year than he did all of last year.
Author:  Caller Bob [ Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:10 pm ]
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Sadly, gonna have to agree with Wallpaper Steve. And Strikeouts are irrelevant. An out is an out.
Author:  Brick [ Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:11 pm ]
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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
The answer is NO. Baez is an exceptional all around player. A 5 tool player. Jimenez should be a really good hitter, with power. But as an outfielder, he is below average. He takes poor routes on balls in the outfield and is not very fast. Moncada is nowhere near as good offensively or defensively.
Eloy won't be traded!
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:15 pm ]
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Caller Bob wrote:
And Strikeouts are irrelevant. An out is an out.
But Kerrie Woods! Gamescore!
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:18 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
An .801 OPS and .271 Avg is NOT exceptional. Baez has also struck out more times over the course of fewer at bats this year than he did all of last year.

.801 is pretty good for a SS.
Author:  Rod [ Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:18 pm ]
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Moncada is already a better offensive player than Baez will ever be.
Author:  312player [ Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:23 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Moncada is already a better offensive player than Baez will ever be.




He's still below the moncada line, he'd be lucky to have the career of Auggie Ojeda.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:24 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Moncada is already a better offensive player than Baez will ever be.

What are you basing that on?
Author:  Rod [ Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:26 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Moncada is already a better offensive player than Baez will ever be.

What are you basing that on?


Controlling the strikezone.
Author:  Rod [ Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:26 pm ]
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312player wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Moncada is already a better offensive player than Baez will ever be.




He's still below the moncada line, he'd be lucky to have the career of Auggie Ojeda.



Pretty sure you know that isn't true.
Author:  Juiced [ Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:31 pm ]
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badrogue17 wrote:
Does Sox Nation expect better than .260-.270 , 20 jacks, plus defense?


Farvefan and Good Dolphin..."Will Moncada and Jimenez be better than Baez?"
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Frank Coztansa, WHAT??!! An .801 OPS and .271 Avg is NOT exceptional!
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Favrefan, You do know that Moncada did well in the minors, too, right? Moncada could still be All-World, and Jimenez could wind up terrible. There's no way to know right now.
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Joe Orr Road Rod, Moncada is already a better offensive player than Baez will ever be.
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Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:33 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Moncada is already a better offensive player than Baez will ever be.

What are you basing that on?


Controlling the strikezone.

Ok, just admit that if a Cub fan said something similar you would mock him until the end of time.
Author:  America [ Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:43 pm ]
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Moncada will probably figure it out at some point and be pretty good. I don't think he's gonna be what a lot of fans hoped for though.

Jimenez otoh...he's special. The list of players in all of baseball I'd be willing to give up Eloy for is very short. Can't believe he was had for mediocre, over the hill, Quintana.
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