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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Manny Machado |
It looks like the Orioles are fielding offers for Machado. He's a free agent after the season so you would hope there would be a window to sign him to an extension. It's said the O's want two young controllable arms in return. Obviously Kopech, Giolito, Dunning and Lopez are off the table. Rodon is too though it's doubtful the O's would want him. That means the O's can take their choice of Fulmer, Hansen, Adams, Cease, Clarkin, Puckett or anyone else who floats their boat. The Sox have the arms to get a deal done. It would be an exciting and aggressive move. |
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| Author: | Cashman [ Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
Keyser Soze wrote: It looks like the Orioles are fielding offers for Machado. He's a free agent after the season so you would hope there would be a window to sign him to an extension. It's said the O's want two young controllable arms in return. Obviously Kopech, Giolito, Dunning and Lopez are off the table. Rodon is too though it's doubtful the O's would want him. That means the O's can take their choice of Fulmer, Hansen, Adams, Cease, Clarkin, Puckett or anyone else who floats their boat. The Sox have the arms to get a deal done. It would be an exciting and aggressive move. I wouldnt give up Hansen, and he would have to sign an extension. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
Why waste resources on a guy you won't resign when you aren't competing? |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
Makes absolutely zero sense. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
Hes going to get 200 million, Sox can't afford him...why rent him for April til September? |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
Correct. Makes no sense for the SOX. Even if you pay him, you're not winning for 2 more years. So why waste that free agent money. Sign a guy when you're ready to win. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
They COULD afford him. But why would he come here? |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
Because he wants to play with his buddy Eloy. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
Hatchetman wrote: Makes absolutely zero sense. This describes most of Keyser's Sox posts
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| Author: | Beardown [ Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
Hatchetman wrote: They COULD afford him. But why would he come here? But it's a waste of money for 2 or 3 years when he's gonna be good and the SOX aren't gonna be good. By years 4 and 5 of the deal he's bad when the SOX young players are good. This is common sense. I don't know why some of you don't get it. Especially suggesting they trade prospects for him when he's 1 year away from free agency. To do that when the Sox are gathering prospects in a rebuilding mode is insane. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
He's 24 years old you know. |
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| Author: | Pal [ Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
If he can be gotten for a combo like Cease, Fulmer, and maybe Tim Anderson and obviously an agreed extension, why wouldn't you want this. They are gonna go all in next year to get him, get it done a year early. |
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| Author: | America [ Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
This would be so stupid. I don't even want to sign the guy next offseason. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
I'm sure once he gets here and sees what the white sox are all about he would be happy to sign for below market to stay |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
i didn't realize the White Sox are in a position to say a 25 year-old 3x all-star isn't good enough for them. future must be very bright. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
Honestly, the less he knows about the management of the team, the better chance the Sox have to sign him long term. I really doubt he signs an extension with anyone and foregoes free agency. Their will be insane offers next year that will far eclipse the good offers of today. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
You never know unless you try. Players like this don’t come around very often and they are in a place to make a deal work. Strike while the iron is hot. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
He is not going to bypass FA. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
5 star players are not signing with Sox. sorry. |
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| Author: | Juiced [ Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
Pal wrote: If he can be gotten for a combo like Cease, Fulmer, and maybe Tim Anderson and obviously an agreed extension, why wouldn't you want this. They are gonna go all in next year to get him, get it done a year early. Maybe Tim Anderson  Yeah, I am sure they are salivating at getting Cease and Fulmer. This is worse then Cub fans thinking they can still get Archer for Swarbs. "Oh, but he lost weight and put a batting cage in his house!" 
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
Juiced wrote: Pal wrote: If he can be gotten for a combo like Cease, Fulmer, and maybe Tim Anderson and obviously an agreed extension, why wouldn't you want this. They are gonna go all in next year to get him, get it done a year early. Maybe Tim Anderson Yeah, I am sure they are salivating at getting Cease and Fulmer. This is worse then Cub fans thinking they can still get Archer for Swarbs. "Oh, but he lost weight and put a batting cage in his house!" I think you are overestimating what teams will pay for his one year of service. Sure, the price goes up if he signs a long term deal. Why would he do that for either the Orioles or the new organization? If he does sign, it will be a Stanton contract +. Look at what Stanton returned to the Marlins. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
good dolphin wrote: Why would he do that for either the Orioles or the new organization? If he does sign, it will be a Stanton contract +. Look at what Stanton returned to the Marlins. Stanton had a no trade clause. That is why they got back garbage. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
conns7901 wrote: good dolphin wrote: Why would he do that for either the Orioles or the new organization? If he does sign, it will be a Stanton contract +. Look at what Stanton returned to the Marlins. Stanton had a no trade clause. That is why they got back garbage. The four teams he had removed from his no trade clause were the Yankees, Dodgers, Astros and Cubs, three of whom are deep in prospects and at least two of whom had a need. It was the size of the contract that dampened the return much more than the no trade. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
Keyser Soze wrote: You never know unless you try. Players like this don’t come around very often and they are in a place to make a deal work. Strike while the iron is hot. And the iron goes ice cold if they cannot sign him to a long term deal. The Sox should not make a foolish move to trade for him now, because they can still go after him as a free agent.Machado also wants to play shortstop. Since the Sox, in your words, "Are set up with a stud SS for years to come", you must be OK with the Sox moving your boy Timmy around the diamond. http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orio ... story.html |
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| Author: | Pal [ Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
Juiced wrote: Pal wrote: If he can be gotten for a combo like Cease, Fulmer, and maybe Tim Anderson and obviously an agreed extension, why wouldn't you want this. They are gonna go all in next year to get him, get it done a year early. Maybe Tim Anderson Yeah, I am sure they are salivating at getting Cease and Fulmer. This is worse then Cub fans thinking they can still get Archer for Swarbs. "Oh, but he lost weight and put a batting cage in his house!" What do you think they are going to land for a player with one year left, even if Sox were to get an extension? |
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| Author: | 312player [ Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
Pal wrote: Juiced wrote: Pal wrote: If he can be gotten for a combo like Cease, Fulmer, and maybe Tim Anderson and obviously an agreed extension, why wouldn't you want this. They are gonna go all in next year to get him, get it done a year early. Maybe Tim Anderson Yeah, I am sure they are salivating at getting Cease and Fulmer. This is worse then Cub fans thinking they can still get Archer for Swarbs. "Oh, but he lost weight and put a batting cage in his house!" What do you think they are going to land for a player with one year left, even if Sox were to get an extension? Im not sure, Silvy was saying Addy for Machado wouldn't be enough.. Id move Addy for Manny in a second.. Be bezt lineup in mlb for one season and probably WS appearance. |
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| Author: | Pal [ Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
312player wrote: Pal wrote: Juiced wrote: Pal wrote: If he can be gotten for a combo like Cease, Fulmer, and maybe Tim Anderson and obviously an agreed extension, why wouldn't you want this. They are gonna go all in next year to get him, get it done a year early. Maybe Tim Anderson Yeah, I am sure they are salivating at getting Cease and Fulmer. This is worse then Cub fans thinking they can still get Archer for Swarbs. "Oh, but he lost weight and put a batting cage in his house!" What do you think they are going to land for a player with one year left, even if Sox were to get an extension? Im not sure, Silvy was saying Addy for Machado wouldn't be enough.. Id move Addy for Manny in a second.. Be bezt lineup in mlb for one season and probably WS appearance. If reports are true, O's want 2 controllable starting arms. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
I'd want pitching back if I was Baltimore too..they will probably get it.. Imo Manny is better than Harper, he will steamroll the NL 3rd,4th and 5th starters if he goes NL. |
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| Author: | BD [ Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
Keyser Soze wrote: It looks like the Orioles are fielding offers for Machado. He's a free agent after the season so you would hope there would be a window to sign him to an extension. It's said the O's want two young controllable arms in return. Obviously Kopech, Giolito, Dunning and Lopez are off the table. Rodon is too though it's doubtful the O's would want him. That means the O's can take their choice of Fulmer, Hansen, Adams, Cease, Clarkin, Puckett or anyone else who floats their boat. The Sox have the arms to get a deal done. It would be an exciting and aggressive move. Not all of these prospects will pan out for starters, and if the White Sox have plans to compete by 2019, does it make sense to move some of these prospects for a premium offensive bat whose prime years will be in Chicago? Obviously, no sense in trading for him unless they want to lock him up longer term. |
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| Author: | Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manny Machado |
I'd be stunned if the Sox signed Machado but I was stunned back in the day when they signed Belle. That thought led me to an internet search... MILESTONE BASEBALL CONTRACTS * Nov. 19, 1979--Nolan Ryan, Houston, $1 million a year for 4 seasons * Feb. 7, 1982--George Foster, N.Y. Mets, $2.04 million a year for 5 seasons * Nov. 22, 1989--Kirby Puckett, Minnesota, $3 million a year for 3 seasons * June 27, 1990--Jose Canseco, Oakland, $4.7 million a year for 5 seasons * Feb. 8, 1991--Roger Clemens, Boston, $5,380,250 a year for 4 seasons * March 2, 1992--Ryne Sandberg, Cubs, $7.1 million a year for 4 seasons * Jan. 31, 1996--Ken Griffey, Jr., Seattle, $8.5 million a year for 4 seasons * Nov. 19, 1996--Albert Belle, White Sox, $11 million a year for 5 seasons |
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