It's not too early to say how awful this trade is. Our other options from Boston are already in the majors and playing well. Truthfully we should have gotten Devers and Benintendi for the most valuable player in baseball.

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it actually is too early. i recall most takes at the time of the trade were it was a decent haul for sale. you can't classify it a bust until Moncada is playing independant league ball and kopech is having a 4th arm surgery

I can and I'm pretty sure I did at the time. The Red Sox offered more at the deadline and dictated what they were willing to give up. That can't happen. Moncada needs to be a superstar and he doesn't look like he can really be an all star.

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As I said in another thread, Moncada is 21 years old. Even if that is his Cuban age and he is really 23, there is still time for him to develop and become great. Baseball has had literally hundreds of players over the years who figured things out in the mid-late twenties and took off.

The other big part of the Sale deal hasn't thrown a pitch in the majors yet. Basabe also looks like he could emerge as a player.

Way too early, Nas. This is pretty poor trolling, even for you.

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Of course there is time but when you give up arguably the most valuable player in baseball there shouldn't be a long wait on your return. Especially when our other options have played better.

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When you make a trade for guys who are 20 years old, yeah you're gonna have to wait a bit.

I will say this. Moncada should not be leading off regularly anymore.

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my concern at the time with the sale trade was more so i didnt trust the white sox player development system when it comes to developing positional players

I'll tell you what StonePony

I would 100% agree with this. He should not be batting leadoff. I don't care if Engel is batting leadoff, Moncada should be hitting #5 right now.

Tilson will be up May 1 to play CF and lead off.

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You have left a lot to unpack here but I will just address one aspect: Do you think the Red Sox would rather have Kopech than either Devers or Benintendi right now? My guess is that they would. I don't know if I can attribute the foresight on him to Hahn but he certainly was able to buy low on Kopech.

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No , no they wouldn’t .

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Too soon to claim success or failure. What we do know is keeping him would have resulted in additional years of mediocrity.

The bigger indictment has always been they had him and failed to build around him. But....at the same time, i maintain that had more to do with Kenny than Rick and Rick now has the con.

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It's obvious that Kenny did the Chris Sale trade but Rick Hahn did the Quintana trade.

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Yes, yes the would.

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This.

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Why should Moncada not be leading off at this point? He needs the at bats. And he's at a .347 OBP. That's not terrible. He's basically tied with Sanchez and Abreu for third on the team in that category. Only regulars who are higher are Delmonico and Davidson.

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Because I think he's pressing and trying to crush everything he sees. Frankly I'd rather see Sanchez up there for now. But then again, I'm an old fart who wants to see a guy there primarily concerned with OBP & setting the table. And I haven't seen the numbers, but it seems to me that he's up with two outs and runners on he looks lost.

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I have not seen him press. He looks about the same as last year in fact. The one positive is he is getting on base thanks to 8 walks so far. His bat is missing the ball too often, but he's not going to get better without more at bats.

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there isn't a significant difference between the 1 and 2 spot

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Actually I tend to agree that he doesn't look worlds different than last year. Except that now he seems to be swinging out of his shoes in every situation. Which would be fine but for, as you noted, missing the ball.

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You sure that you're not a latent Cubbie fan?

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Right now Devers and Benintendi are clearly better. I'm an optimistic guy but if I trade arguably the most valuable player in baseball I expect to see the making of a superstar fairly quickly. Nothing about Moncada screams future stud right now. That concerns me.

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dolphin is on some pre 2014 stuff where starting pitchers, even just prospects, are the most important thing in baseball.

The last 3 World Series Champions won without dominating starting pitching in the playoffs. Either great offenses or dominant bullpens.

Says the guy posting in a thread about hand wringing over trading veteran starting pitching.

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White Sox fans falling in love with their prospects again.

Frank saying Moncada has until he is in his late 20's to be good is hilarious. So you get 2-3 All-Star years for his ceiling and you think that is a win for trading Sale?

I didnt create the thread. Im just commenting on you valuing a pitcher who has never made the majors over two young hitters who have had success at the major league level.

Two different arguments.

I don't know if I could ever justify trading Sale. That we agree upon.

I guess if you are arguing that any current MLB player is better than any current minor league player we agree. I wouldn't if you are projecting them into the future.

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I didn't create the thread either. Everyone but you who has commented in this thread seems to place a pretty high value on a starting pitcher.

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I mean, I think Kopech will be real good, but the other two project as all stars as well. Devers had an .819 OPS last year at age 20. Benintendi had 20 homers and 20 steals. They arent slouches.