it actually is too early. i recall most takes at the time of the trade were it was a decent haul for sale. you can't classify it a bust until Moncada is playing independant league ball and kopech is having a 4th arm surgery

As I said in another thread, Moncada is 21 years old. Even if that is his Cuban age and he is really 23, there is still time for him to develop and become great. Baseball has had literally hundreds of players over the years who figured things out in the mid-late twenties and took off.

The other big part of the Sale deal hasn't thrown a pitch in the majors yet. Basabe also looks like he could emerge as a player.

Way too early, Nas. This is pretty poor trolling, even for you.

my concern at the time with the sale trade was more so i didnt trust the white sox player development system when it comes to developing positional players

When you make a trade for guys who are 20 years old, yeah you're gonna have to wait a bit.

I will say this. Moncada should not be leading off regularly anymore.

It's not too early to say how awful this trade is. Our other options from Boston are already in the majors and playing well. Truthfully we should have gotten Devers and Benintendi for the most valuable player in baseball.

You have left a lot to unpack here but I will just address one aspect: Do you think the Red Sox would rather have Kopech than either Devers or Benintendi right now? My guess is that they would.

No , no they wouldn’t .

When you make a trade for guys who are 20 years old, yeah you're gonna have to wait a bit.

I will say this. Moncada should not be leading off regularly anymore.

This.

Why should Moncada not be leading off at this point? He needs the at bats. And he's at a .347 OBP. That's not terrible. He's basically tied with Sanchez and Abreu for third on the team in that category. Only regulars who are higher are Delmonico and Davidson.

Because I think he's pressing and trying to crush everything he sees. Frankly I'd rather see Sanchez up there for now. But then again, I'm an old fart who wants to see a guy there primarily concerned with OBP & setting the table. And I haven't seen the numbers, but it seems to me that he's up with two outs and runners on he looks lost.

I have not seen him press. He looks about the same as last year in fact. The one positive is he is getting on base thanks to 8 walks so far. His bat is missing the ball too often, but he's not going to get better without more at bats.

I have not seen him press. He looks about the same as last year in fact. The one positive is he is getting on base thanks to 8 walks so far. His bat is missing the ball too often, but he's not going to get better without more at bats.

there isn't a significant difference between the 1 and 2 spot

Right now Devers and Benintendi are clearly better. I'm an optimistic guy but if I trade arguably the most valuable player in baseball I expect to see the making of a superstar fairly quickly. Nothing about Moncada screams future stud right now. That concerns me.

dolphin is on some pre 2014 stuff where starting pitchers, even just prospects, are the most important thing in baseball.

The last 3 World Series Champions won without dominating starting pitching in the playoffs. Either great offenses or dominant bullpens.

No , no they wouldn’t .

Says the guy posting in a thread about hand wringing over trading veteran starting pitching.

Right now Devers and Benintendi are clearly better. I'm an optimistic guy but if I trade arguably the most valuable player in baseball I expect to see the making of a superstar fairly quickly. Nothing about Moncada screams future stud right now. That concerns me.

I didnt create the thread. Im just commenting on you valuing a pitcher who has never made the majors over two young hitters who have had success at the major league level.

Two different arguments.

I don't know if I could ever justify trading Sale. That we agree upon.

I guess if you are arguing that any current MLB player is better than any current minor league player we agree. I wouldn't if you are projecting them into the future.