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The need to identify the guys to keep like Narvaez and Palka. I doubt they can though. And they'll let a half season of decent Anderson defense make them think they don't need Machado.

They need to identify the guys to keep like Narvaez and Palka. I doubt they can though. And they'll let a half season of decent Anderson defense make them think they don't need Machado.

even though it is tough to see through all those buster hitters who seem to have synchronized their BA at .230

good dolphin wrote:

even though it is tough to see through all those buster hitters who seem to have synchronized their BA at .230

been a fun two weeks......

tommy wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

even though it is tough to see through all those buster hitters who seem to have synchronized their BA at .230

been a fun two weeks......

22-18 since July 10 is what I read at soxtalk

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

The need to identify the guys to keep like Narvaez and Palka. I doubt they can though. And they'll let a half season of decent Anderson defense make them think they don't need Machado.

I thought they had a shot at Machado and maybe this isnt how it works, but I feel like with Harper's terrible year, the Machado price tag just got even bigger. I know JERRY has been known to write big checks at times, but this will be historically big.

I'm resigned to the truth that Machado isn't choosing the Sox even if they make him the best deal. Maybe they get Arrenado in a year after they show something.

I think Machado is getting an opt out in 2-3 on any contract he signs so he is going to be focusing on short term chances with his next team

It doesn't have to be Machado at SS, but agreed....Anderson will not be a starting player on any World series team.

I think you guys are severely underrating Anderson. He is no worse than league average at the position RIGHT NOW. His presence would not be an impediment to a championship.

They need to identify the guys to keep like Narvaez and Palka. I doubt they can though. And they'll let a half season of decent Anderson defense make them think they don't need Machado.

If Rodon stays healthy, they can compete next year for sure.

Rodon's health is really the key to the whole thing.

Kenny and Hahn will soon work their free agent magic.

There are very few positions on the field where you can live with a defensive butcher. Maybe 1B or Left Field. Anderson plays neither. He plays a position where adequate defense is a must.

He's a utility player on a championship team.

wdelaney72 wrote:

Another guy not paying attention. Anderson is a top 10 shortstop even with the stumbling and bumbling for the opening 3-1/2 months

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... &sort=25,d

And here's the reason he's a top 10 shortstop. He can get to balls NO ONE can get to.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... &sort=14,d

Nardi wrote:

wdelaney72 wrote:

And yet in the traditional stats, he is top 4 in errors and bottom 5 in fielding percentage.

Now, I do not believe he is a bottom 4/5 SS, but I've watched- and paid attention to- enough Sox games this year to know he isn't top ten SS either.

Author:	good dolphin [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:58 am ]
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even though it is tough to see through all those buster hitters who seem to have synchronized their BA at .230

Author:	rogers park bryan [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:01 am ]
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If Rodon stays healthy, they can compete next year for sure. Rodon's health is really the key to the whole thing.

Author:	Rod [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:02 am ]
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They need to identify the guys to keep like Narvaez and Palka. I doubt they can though. And they'll let a half season of decent Anderson defense make them think they don't need Machado.

Author:	rogers park bryan [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:04 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: The need to identify the guys to keep like Narvaez and Palka. I doubt they can though. And they'll let a half season of decent Anderson defense make them think they don't need Machado. I thought they had a shot at Machado and maybe this isnt how it works, but I feel like with Harper's terrible year, the Machado price tag just got even bigger. I know JERRY has been known to write big checks at times, but this will be historically big.

Author:	tommy [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:22 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: They need to identify the guys to keep like Narvaez and Palka. I doubt they can though. And they'll let a half season of decent Anderson defense make them think they don't need Machado. sure, they need machado, but I'd like another starter and a bullpen first!

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Author:	tommy [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:23 am ]
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good dolphin wrote: even though it is tough to see through all those buster hitters who seem to have synchronized their BA at .230 been a fun two weeks......

Author:	pittmike [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:23 am ]
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I don't think there is any chance of a big FA this coming year. 2019 is a see what you have and the big signing if there is one is 2020.

Author:	good dolphin [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:43 am ]
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tommy wrote: good dolphin wrote: even though it is tough to see through all those buster hitters who seem to have synchronized their BA at .230 been a fun two weeks...... 22-18 since July 10 is what I read at soxtalk

Author:	tommy [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:48 am ]
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good dolphin wrote: tommy wrote: good dolphin wrote: even though it is tough to see through all those buster hitters who seem to have synchronized their BA at .230 been a fun two weeks...... 22-18 since July 10 is what I read at soxtalk Just as a certain poster I know half-hoped and half-predicted

Author:	good dolphin [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:49 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: The need to identify the guys to keep like Narvaez and Palka. I doubt they can though. And they'll let a half season of decent Anderson defense make them think they don't need Machado. I thought they had a shot at Machado and maybe this isnt how it works, but I feel like with Harper's terrible year, the Machado price tag just got even bigger. I know JERRY has been known to write big checks at times, but this will be historically big. I'm resigned to the truth that Machado isn't choosing the Sox even if they make him the best deal. Maybe they get Arrenado in a year after they show something. I think Machado is getting an opt out in 2-3 on any contract he signs so he is going to be focusing on short term chances with his next team

Author:	Nas [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:52 am ]
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The title of the thread sounds like something a guy does mins before last call. The Sox need bats. This has been a problem for a while now. No one doubts their ability to put together a really good rotation.

Author:	Keyser Soze [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:56 am ]
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good dolphin wrote: I'm resigned to the truth that Machado isn't choosing the Sox even if they make him the best deal. Maybe they get Arrenado in a year after they show something. I think Machado is getting an opt out in 2-3 on any contract he signs so he is going to be focusing on short term chances with his next team Hello Mr Donaldson.

Author:	BigW72 [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:59 am ]
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It doesn't have to be Machado at SS, but agreed....Anderson will not be a starting player on any World series team.

Author:	America [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:11 am ]
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Adding Eloy is going to be huge. Also Collins and his LHH high-OBP style will be most welcome.

Author:	America [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:18 am ]
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Anderson is fine. But him AND Moncada, at least in this current state, is just too much. Madrigal is hurt/running out of gas so his development here in 2018 is pretty much over. They need to look at a 1 year free agent middle infielder. Dozier or Elvis Andrus could definitely be useful and recent free agent trends indicate they may come with much less commitment than you usually expect.

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Author:	good dolphin [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:12 am ]
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I think you guys are severely underrating Anderson. He is no worse than league average at the position RIGHT NOW. His presence would not be an impediment to a championship.

Author:	good dolphin [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:15 am ]
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They are about a year away from having some great options across the OF. You live with Avi for one more arbitration year. If he is good, he gets traded. If not, surf the wave of talent in to championship beach.

Author:	pittmike [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:17 am ]
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wdelaney72 wrote: It doesn't have to be Machado at SS, but agreed....Anderson will not be a starting player on any World series team. Not picking on you but this has been said about many players on many teams and has been flat wrong.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:17 am ]
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good dolphin wrote: I think you guys are severely underrating Anderson. He is no worse than league average at the position RIGHT NOW. His presence would not be an impediment to a championship. Keyser severely overrates him. I simply wish he were a lot better than he is right meow, and I do not think he is a championship SS. I hope I am wrong.

Author:	Cashman [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:22 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: They need to identify the guys to keep like Narvaez and Palka. I doubt they can though. And they'll let a half season of decent Anderson defense make them think they don't need Machado. Catcher seems to be interesting. I like Narvaez, but not sure what he is long term. Smith seems to be serviceable but not terrible. Zavala sitting in AAA, Collings sitting in AA. As well as Castillo here for another year. Palka seems very interesting. Almost like an Adam Dunn like player. But if he can DH and hit 40hr and 100RBI in a full season, I think we can be ok with a 230 avg. But to have Davidson and Palka on the roster, seems to be redundant starting next year when Eloy is called up. To the Machado issue, we kind of are going to have some type of issue when Madrigal needs to be called up. I would throw Moncada at 3B, if he has the arm. If I am Jerry, I write the check to Machado.

Author:	BigW72 [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:24 am ]
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There are very few positions on the field where you can live with a defensive butcher. Maybe 1B or Left Field. Anderson plays neither. He plays a position where adequate defense is a must. He's a utility player on a championship team.

Author:	jimmypasta [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:26 am ]
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Author:	billypootons [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:27 am ]
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the revival of rodon's promising career is a welcome surprise. i wrote him off as a bust already. anything to district from moncada's season

Author:	Brick [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:39 am ]
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Kenny and Hahn will soon work their free agent magic.

Author:	BD [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:24 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote: If Rodon stays healthy, they can compete next year for sure. Rodon's health is really the key to the whole thing. If they finish the season playing as they have since the all-star break, Rodon is likely part of the rotation next year instead of being their last big trading piece. If Kopech and Lopez (who has fallen off after a strong start) are part of the rotation for next season after Rodon, the makings of a rotation are beginning to fall into place. The rest of the rotation just depends on what they think of Giolito as a 4th or 5th starter and/or if they want to add a dependable veteran into the mix in the middle of the rotation. Offensively, this is where I am interested to see if they attempt to make a free agent splash. While I don't expect them to land Machado or Harper, they do have the ability, with almost no money on the books, to massively overpay for one or two big fish and at least be a player. Assuming Jimenez, Machado, Anderson, Abreu and a few of the surprises (Narvaez and Palka) are part of the mix, it's just a matter of how aggressive they plan to be (balancing improvement from their young players already at the majors, young talent on it's way, and the overall progress of the rebuild). It's at least interesting now that we are now seeing signs of optimism and perhaps the worst is behind us.

Author:	Douchebag [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:31 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Kenny and Hahn will soon work their free agent magic. Do they sign Bartolo Colon or Chase Utley? Or both?

Author:	Nardi [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:05 am ]
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wdelaney72 wrote: There are very few positions on the field where you can live with a defensive butcher. Maybe 1B or Left Field. Anderson plays neither. He plays a position where adequate defense is a must. He's a utility player on a championship team. Another guy not paying attention. Anderson is a top 10 shortstop even with the stumbling and bumbling for the opening 3-1/2 months http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... &sort=25,d And here's the reason he's a top 10 shortstop. He can get to balls NO ONE can get to. www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&s ... &sort=14,d

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:17 am ]
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Nardi wrote: wdelaney72 wrote: There are very few positions on the field where you can live with a defensive butcher. Maybe 1B or Left Field. Anderson plays neither. He plays a position where adequate defense is a must. He's a utility player on a championship team. Another guy not paying attention. Anderson is a top 10 shortstop even with the stumbling and bumbling for the opening 3-1/2 months http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... &sort=25,d And here's the reason he's a top 10 shortstop. He can get to balls NO ONE can get to. http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... &sort=14,d And yet in the traditional stats, he is top 4 in errors and bottom 5 in fielding percentage. Now, I do not believe he is a bottom 4/5 SS, but I've watched- and paid attention to- enough Sox games this year to know he isn't top ten SS either.

Author:	TurdFerguson [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:25 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Nardi wrote: wdelaney72 wrote: There are very few positions on the field where you can live with a defensive butcher. Maybe 1B or Left Field. Anderson plays neither. He plays a position where adequate defense is a must. He's a utility player on a championship team. Another guy not paying attention. Anderson is a top 10 shortstop even with the stumbling and bumbling for the opening 3-1/2 months http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... &sort=25,d And here's the reason he's a top 10 shortstop. He can get to balls NO ONE can get to. http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... &sort=14,d And yet in the traditional stats, he is top 4 in errors and bottom 5 in fielding percentage. Now, I do not believe he is a bottom 4/5 SS, but I've watched- and paid attention to- enough Sox games this year to know he isn't top ten SS either. And if I'm decyphering my cryptic defense metrics he has produced -1 DRS, Defensive Runs Saved. So no one gets to more balls, but then still can't do anything with them.