It is currently Sun Nov 24, 2024 7:31 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 25 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:57 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:28 am
Posts: 4050
Good story that I had no idea about. Good baseball story, good Illinois story, good city of Chicago Story.

If this has been posted before, my apologies.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/the- ... d-history/


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:12 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 55953
pizza_Place: Barstool One Bite Frozen
There were some compelling ideas behind Armour Field, but from a gameplay standpoint, 280 down the lines and 420 to the alleys is positively nanners. You can't play modern baseball that way, no one would stand for it. It's best as a dress rehearsal for Camden Yards.

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:40 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 02, 2011 4:29 pm
Posts: 40649
Location: Everywhere
pizza_Place: giordanos
Camden Yards is the main reason people were/are so upset with The Cell. They said oh look we have a great new park then the next year or whatever saw the park the same architects put in Baltimore. :shock:

_________________
Elections have consequences.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:41 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:10 pm
Posts: 38609
Location: "Across 110th Street"
There was really only one good choice, the area between 12th and 22nd street, east of the L, and a retractable dome like in Toronto

_________________
There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:52 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 55953
pizza_Place: Barstool One Bite Frozen
pittmike wrote:
Camden Yards is the main reason people were/are so upset with The Cell. They said oh look we have a great new park then the next year or whatever saw the park the same architects put in Baltimore. :shock:

Just before Camden Yards, there was a neo-retro stadium built for Buffalo's AAA team with provisions for expanding it to major-league standards. Unfortunately, this was about the time that Western New York started hemorrhaging residents and would never be a viable major-league market beyond the Bills and Sabres (and even both of those were semi-recently in question), so AAA it stayed.

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:17 pm 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 pm
Posts: 102657
pizza_Place: Vito & Nick's
Simply turning The Cell/Rate around so that the back drop was views of the skyline and the Lake would have done wonders for the aesthetics of the place.

I think it was America that had the suggestion of covering one of half of the parking lots with grass, and have it be a park and picnic area. Fans could still show up there and tailgate, but then it would also be a park year round. The Sox could easily schedule off season or off day activities to actively get kids involved in being a Sox fan. It would be pretty cool to get off the Metra, walk for 5 minutes, then sprawl out on a blanket to have a few beers and a ready-made sandwich before heading into the park.

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It's more fun to be a victim
Caller Bob wrote:
There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.


Last edited by Frank Coztansa on Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92047
Location: To the left of my post
Hopefully the new owners revive the spirit of this for the new stadium in 2030.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:28 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 55953
pizza_Place: Barstool One Bite Frozen
Northwest corner of 35th/Wentworth would seem like the place to do it. That would be a good idea. Just about anything's a better idea than surface parking.

Wonder if they could figure out a way to do a gameday-only stop between 33rd-39th on the Southwest Line, sort of a Sox version of the Ravinia stop.

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:29 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:15 pm
Posts: 41377
Location: Small Fringe Minority
pizza_Place: John's
This is like trying to polish a turd.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:39 pm 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 pm
Posts: 102657
pizza_Place: Vito & Nick's
Curious Hair wrote:
Wonder if they could figure out a way to do a gameday-only stop between 33rd-39th on the Southwest Line, sort of a Sox version of the Ravinia stop.
This just makes too much sense. Build a staircase and a ramp with railings. It doesn't have to be as "nice" as the Lou Jones stop a quarter mile east. The trains already run during the week for day games, just put an extra
train on the schedule for night games. Then you run 1-2 trains at most on the weekend before the game and one 8-car train after the game on weekends. I know the SWS operates on freight lines, but you can't tell me that there is no way to accommodate a grand total of about 3 minutes worth of Metra trains on the 13-15 weekends a year the Sox have home games.

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It's more fun to be a victim
Caller Bob wrote:
There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am
Posts: 25181
Location: Cultural Mecca
pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's
http://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopi ... 3&t=111898

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:50 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:05 pm
Posts: 68612
pizza_Place: Lina's Pizza
IMU wrote:
http://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=111898


Thank you.

_________________
The Hawk wrote:
There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:54 pm 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 pm
Posts: 102657
pizza_Place: Vito & Nick's
Terry's Peeps wrote:
IMU wrote:
http://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=111898


Thank you.

Big Brane wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
The Southwest Service absolutely should have a stop right at the parking lots near 35th. I know that route is funky and it runs on freight tracks, but they would only have to stop there on game days. That stop would not even have to be as nice as Lou Jones across the way. Just put in some concrete stairs, a ramp, and railings.

here we go with trane advise from bacon & egggs EXPERT FRANK,,,,....!!1111 does he even know PERMITS and construcshun COSTS required that kind of work??? hmmmm,,,,,,,,, NO!



how about southwest service stops in VEGAS BAByyyyyyyyyyyy


?
Of course, the shear jenius of FRANK is once again on display! Like its just a matter of going over to the HOME DEPOT with the LATIN"s and buyng some Sackrete and railings?

Come On. First, you have to talk to the METRA GUYS! Then you have to talk to the local Aldermen! Then you have to talk with the CITY! And when you talk to them, CASH ONLY! Of course, JERRY will want something too! JERRY, great guy in life, BUYS DRINKS! But always Wants SOMETHING in return?

Again the lowlevel IQ coming from FRANK is not shocking, not surprising, but expected!
:lol: :lol:

Trane Advise. :lol:

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It's more fun to be a victim
Caller Bob wrote:
There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:56 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm
Posts: 43569
:lol: :lol:

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:48 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:10 am
Posts: 31948
Regular Reader wrote:
There was really only one good choice, the area between 12th and 22nd street, east of the L, and a retractable dome like in Toronto


Not where the legendary Meystel's used to be located? :lol: :lol: :lol:

_________________
The Hawk wrote:
This is going to reach a head pretty soon.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:59 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72380
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
IMU wrote:
http://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=111898


Thank you.

Big Brane wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
The Southwest Service absolutely should have a stop right at the parking lots near 35th. I know that route is funky and it runs on freight tracks, but they would only have to stop there on game days. That stop would not even have to be as nice as Lou Jones across the way. Just put in some concrete stairs, a ramp, and railings.

here we go with trane advise from bacon & egggs EXPERT FRANK,,,,....!!1111 does he even know PERMITS and construcshun COSTS required that kind of work??? hmmmm,,,,,,,,, NO!



how about southwest service stops in VEGAS BAByyyyyyyyyyyy


?
Of course, the shear jenius of FRANK is once again on display! Like its just a matter of going over to the HOME DEPOT with the LATIN"s and buyng some Sackrete and railings?

Come On. First, you have to talk to the METRA GUYS! Then you have to talk to the local Aldermen! Then you have to talk with the CITY! And when you talk to them, CASH ONLY! Of course, JERRY will want something too! JERRY, great guy in life, BUYS DRINKS! But always Wants SOMETHING in return?

Again the lowlevel IQ coming from FRANK is not shocking, not surprising, but expected!
:lol: :lol:

Trane Advise. :lol:

:scratch: Isn't that your mult?

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:59 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am
Posts: 25181
Location: Cultural Mecca
pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
IMU wrote:
http://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=111898


Thank you.

Big Brane wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
The Southwest Service absolutely should have a stop right at the parking lots near 35th. I know that route is funky and it runs on freight tracks, but they would only have to stop there on game days. That stop would not even have to be as nice as Lou Jones across the way. Just put in some concrete stairs, a ramp, and railings.

here we go with trane advise from bacon & egggs EXPERT FRANK,,,,....!!1111 does he even know PERMITS and construcshun COSTS required that kind of work??? hmmmm,,,,,,,,, NO!



how about southwest service stops in VEGAS BAByyyyyyyyyyyy


?
Of course, the shear jenius of FRANK is once again on display! Like its just a matter of going over to the HOME DEPOT with the LATIN"s and buyng some Sackrete and railings?

Come On. First, you have to talk to the METRA GUYS! Then you have to talk to the local Aldermen! Then you have to talk with the CITY! And when you talk to them, CASH ONLY! Of course, JERRY will want something too! JERRY, great guy in life, BUYS DRINKS! But always Wants SOMETHING in return?

Again the lowlevel IQ coming from FRANK is not shocking, not surprising, but expected!
:lol: :lol:

Trane Advise. :lol:

It is considered poor form to quote your own mult's post from a few months ago and then use laughing emojis.

Thank you.

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:35 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:22 pm
Posts: 24551
pizza_Place: It's gone
I like how it would have been like the polo grounds.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:10 pm
Posts: 38609
Location: "Across 110th Street"
long time guy wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
There was really only one good choice, the area between 12th and 22nd street, east of the L, and a retractable dome like in Toronto


Not where the legendary Meystel's used to be located? :lol: :lol: :lol:


You really reached for that one :lol: :lol:

_________________
There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:09 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:19 pm
Posts: 31619
pizza_Place: What??
The park's fine. It's the women who aren't.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:32 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 55953
pizza_Place: Barstool One Bite Frozen
HawaiiYou wrote:
I like how it would have been like the polo grounds.

You're not supposed to go shorter than 325 feet down the lines. You'd need really high walls to compensate for the inevitable cheap home runs, like when the Dodgers had to play at the L.A. Coliseum. I like quirks, but that's too much.

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:39 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:55 am
Posts: 6549
pizza_Place: Giordano's
I was having a conversation with my friend the other day about Comiskey.

How long until they build a new park? 15yrs? 20yrs?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:04 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 55953
pizza_Place: Barstool One Bite Frozen
Well, the article in the original post explains that Comiskey was designed to be similar to Kauffman Stadium, which in turn borrowed from Dodger Stadium, and both of those are still alive and kicking with significant renovations and year-to-year care. I suspect Comiskey has better bones than Turner Field or the Ballpark in Arlington, and infrastructurally speaking, the location can't be beat. They should be committing to staying at least another twenty years, but really should be there indefinitely.

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:27 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 82222
A negative white sox article by Dayn with a y Perry? Shocked!

The stadium is fine. It's not great. I really like the wide concourses and short rows of the lower deck. The sight lines are excellent. Access to the park is convenient on multiple forms of public transportation and private. The food is great. The place is clean and looks new for a 27 year old facility.

It will never be some place for which they sell t shirts bought up by people who love nostalgic, Disney world preservation. However, it is certainly not an impediment to me going to a game.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:00 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:35 pm
Posts: 10793
Location: Parrish, FL
pizza_Place: 1. Peaquods 2. Aurelios
This dead horse has been beaten enough already.

There's more to the success of Wrigley than it being "neighborhood" driven. It benefitted from other tailwinds of fortune that would not have existed with Armour Park.

There are aspects of Armour Park that would have been nice
CH is correct....the foul lines need to be at a reasonable distance
RR is correct...closer to Loop would have been a much better location.
FRANK is correct....rotating the field so the backdrop is the loop would have been an easy win.

It's one of Jerry's blemishes....but they did make it a ton better and it is a nice ballpark. I won't apologize for appreciating the fact that it has parking lots. I hate taking the red line to Wrigley.

_________________
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
brick (/brik/) verb
1. block or enclose with a wall of bricks
2. Proper response would be to ask an endless series of follow ups until the person regrets having spoken to you in the first place.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 25 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 22 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group