Camden Yards is the main reason people were/are so upset with The Cell. They said oh look we have a great new park then the next year or whatever saw the park the same architects put in Baltimore.
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| Author: | One Post [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:57 pm ] |
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Good story that I had no idea about. Good baseball story, good Illinois story, good city of Chicago Story. If this has been posted before, my apologies. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/the- ... d-history/ |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Sox Park That Never Was |
There were some compelling ideas behind Armour Field, but from a gameplay standpoint, 280 down the lines and 420 to the alleys is positively nanners. You can't play modern baseball that way, no one would stand for it. It's best as a dress rehearsal for Camden Yards. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Sox Park That Never Was |
Camden Yards is the main reason people were/are so upset with The Cell. They said oh look we have a great new park then the next year or whatever saw the park the same architects put in Baltimore.
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:41 pm ] |
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There was really only one good choice, the area between 12th and 22nd street, east of the L, and a retractable dome like in Toronto |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:52 pm ] |
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pittmike wrote: Camden Yards is the main reason people were/are so upset with The Cell. They said oh look we have a great new park then the next year or whatever saw the park the same architects put in Baltimore. Just before Camden Yards, there was a neo-retro stadium built for Buffalo's AAA team with provisions for expanding it to major-league standards. Unfortunately, this was about the time that Western New York started hemorrhaging residents and would never be a viable major-league market beyond the Bills and Sabres (and even both of those were semi-recently in question), so AAA it stayed. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:17 pm ] |
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Simply turning The Cell/Rate around so that the back drop was views of the skyline and the Lake would have done wonders for the aesthetics of the place. I think it was America that had the suggestion of covering one of half of the parking lots with grass, and have it be a park and picnic area. Fans could still show up there and tailgate, but then it would also be a park year round. The Sox could easily schedule off season or off day activities to actively get kids involved in being a Sox fan. It would be pretty cool to get off the Metra, walk for 5 minutes, then sprawl out on a blanket to have a few beers and a ready-made sandwich before heading into the park. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:27 pm ] |
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Hopefully the new owners revive the spirit of this for the new stadium in 2030. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:28 pm ] |
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Northwest corner of 35th/Wentworth would seem like the place to do it. That would be a good idea. Just about anything's a better idea than surface parking. Wonder if they could figure out a way to do a gameday-only stop between 33rd-39th on the Southwest Line, sort of a Sox version of the Ravinia stop. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:29 pm ] |
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This is like trying to polish a turd. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:39 pm ] |
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Curious Hair wrote: Wonder if they could figure out a way to do a gameday-only stop between 33rd-39th on the Southwest Line, sort of a Sox version of the Ravinia stop. This just makes too much sense. Build a staircase and a ramp with railings. It doesn't have to be as "nice" as the Lou Jones stop a quarter mile east. The trains already run during the week for day games, just put an extra train on the schedule for night games. Then you run 1-2 trains at most on the weekend before the game and one 8-car train after the game on weekends. I know the SWS operates on freight lines, but you can't tell me that there is no way to accommodate a grand total of about 3 minutes worth of Metra trains on the 13-15 weekends a year the Sox have home games. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Sox Park That Never Was |
http://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopi ... 3&t=111898 |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:50 pm ] |
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IMU wrote: http://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=111898 Thank you. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Sox Park That Never Was |
Terry's Peeps wrote: IMU wrote: http://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=111898 Thank you. Big Brane wrote: Kirkwood wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: The Southwest Service absolutely should have a stop right at the parking lots near 35th. I know that route is funky and it runs on freight tracks, but they would only have to stop there on game days. That stop would not even have to be as nice as Lou Jones across the way. Just put in some concrete stairs, a ramp, and railings. here we go with trane advise from bacon & egggs EXPERT FRANK,,,,....!!1111 does he even know PERMITS and construcshun COSTS required that kind of work??? hmmmm,,,,,,,,, NO! how about southwest service stops in VEGAS BAByyyyyyyyyyyy ? Come On. First, you have to talk to the METRA GUYS! Then you have to talk to the local Aldermen! Then you have to talk with the CITY! And when you talk to them, CASH ONLY! Of course, JERRY will want something too! JERRY, great guy in life, BUYS DRINKS! But always Wants SOMETHING in return? Again the lowlevel IQ coming from FRANK is not shocking, not surprising, but expected!  Trane Advise.
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:56 pm ] |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:48 pm ] |
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Regular Reader wrote: There was really only one good choice, the area between 12th and 22nd street, east of the L, and a retractable dome like in Toronto Not where the legendary Meystel's used to be located?
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:59 pm ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: IMU wrote: http://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=111898 Thank you. Big Brane wrote: Kirkwood wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: The Southwest Service absolutely should have a stop right at the parking lots near 35th. I know that route is funky and it runs on freight tracks, but they would only have to stop there on game days. That stop would not even have to be as nice as Lou Jones across the way. Just put in some concrete stairs, a ramp, and railings. here we go with trane advise from bacon & egggs EXPERT FRANK,,,,....!!1111 does he even know PERMITS and construcshun COSTS required that kind of work??? hmmmm,,,,,,,,, NO! how about southwest service stops in VEGAS BAByyyyyyyyyyyy ? Come On. First, you have to talk to the METRA GUYS! Then you have to talk to the local Aldermen! Then you have to talk with the CITY! And when you talk to them, CASH ONLY! Of course, JERRY will want something too! JERRY, great guy in life, BUYS DRINKS! But always Wants SOMETHING in return? Again the lowlevel IQ coming from FRANK is not shocking, not surprising, but expected! Trane Advise.  Isn't that your mult?
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| Author: | IMU [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Sox Park That Never Was |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: IMU wrote: http://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=111898 Thank you. Big Brane wrote: Kirkwood wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: The Southwest Service absolutely should have a stop right at the parking lots near 35th. I know that route is funky and it runs on freight tracks, but they would only have to stop there on game days. That stop would not even have to be as nice as Lou Jones across the way. Just put in some concrete stairs, a ramp, and railings. here we go with trane advise from bacon & egggs EXPERT FRANK,,,,....!!1111 does he even know PERMITS and construcshun COSTS required that kind of work??? hmmmm,,,,,,,,, NO! how about southwest service stops in VEGAS BAByyyyyyyyyyyy ? Come On. First, you have to talk to the METRA GUYS! Then you have to talk to the local Aldermen! Then you have to talk with the CITY! And when you talk to them, CASH ONLY! Of course, JERRY will want something too! JERRY, great guy in life, BUYS DRINKS! But always Wants SOMETHING in return? Again the lowlevel IQ coming from FRANK is not shocking, not surprising, but expected! Trane Advise. It is considered poor form to quote your own mult's post from a few months ago and then use laughing emojis. Thank you. |
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| Author: | HawaiiYou [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Sox Park That Never Was |
I like how it would have been like the polo grounds. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Sox Park That Never Was |
long time guy wrote: Regular Reader wrote: There was really only one good choice, the area between 12th and 22nd street, east of the L, and a retractable dome like in Toronto Not where the legendary Meystel's used to be located? You really reached for that one
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| Author: | Nardi [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Sox Park That Never Was |
The park's fine. It's the women who aren't. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Sox Park That Never Was |
HawaiiYou wrote: I like how it would have been like the polo grounds. You're not supposed to go shorter than 325 feet down the lines. You'd need really high walls to compensate for the inevitable cheap home runs, like when the Dodgers had to play at the L.A. Coliseum. I like quirks, but that's too much. |
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| Author: | Cashman [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:39 pm ] |
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I was having a conversation with my friend the other day about Comiskey. How long until they build a new park? 15yrs? 20yrs? |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Sox Park That Never Was |
Well, the article in the original post explains that Comiskey was designed to be similar to Kauffman Stadium, which in turn borrowed from Dodger Stadium, and both of those are still alive and kicking with significant renovations and year-to-year care. I suspect Comiskey has better bones than Turner Field or the Ballpark in Arlington, and infrastructurally speaking, the location can't be beat. They should be committing to staying at least another twenty years, but really should be there indefinitely. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Sox Park That Never Was |
A negative white sox article by Dayn with a y Perry? Shocked! The stadium is fine. It's not great. I really like the wide concourses and short rows of the lower deck. The sight lines are excellent. Access to the park is convenient on multiple forms of public transportation and private. The food is great. The place is clean and looks new for a 27 year old facility. It will never be some place for which they sell t shirts bought up by people who love nostalgic, Disney world preservation. However, it is certainly not an impediment to me going to a game. |
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| Author: | BigW72 [ Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Sox Park That Never Was |
This dead horse has been beaten enough already. There's more to the success of Wrigley than it being "neighborhood" driven. It benefitted from other tailwinds of fortune that would not have existed with Armour Park. There are aspects of Armour Park that would have been nice CH is correct....the foul lines need to be at a reasonable distance RR is correct...closer to Loop would have been a much better location. FRANK is correct....rotating the field so the backdrop is the loop would have been an easy win. It's one of Jerry's blemishes....but they did make it a ton better and it is a nice ballpark. I won't apologize for appreciating the fact that it has parking lots. I hate taking the red line to Wrigley. |
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