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Author: | 312player [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Harper and Machado snub the White Sox |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Harper and Machado snub the White Sox |
10:09 |
Author: | good dolphin [ Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Harper and Machado snub the White Sox |
going to look foolish very soon |
Author: | 312player [ Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:07 pm ] |
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good dolphin wrote: going to look foolish very soon Yes...yes you will |
Author: | Juiced [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Harper and Machado snub the White Sox |
They are going all in on the wrong guy. Harper is the guy you want as the face of your franchise. Lets be honest. The WhiteSox are just trying to sell some tickets, jerseys and become relevant again to the rest of the world, not just in Chicago. Machado does not achieve that goal. Harper is a world wide star, like Lebron is in the NBA. Sox need Harper more then any other team in MLB. Fitting that they would go the opposite route and low ball the guy no one wants at his market price. |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Harper and Machado snub the White Sox |
Cubs fans quite worried. Quite. |
Author: | Brick [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:08 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Harper and Machado snub the White Sox |
Juiced wrote: Fitting that they would go the opposite route and low ball the guy no one wants at his market price. I'm still trying to figure this sentence out.
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Author: | Caller Bob [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:25 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Harper and Machado snub the White Sox |
In 2015 Bryce Harper put up a 9.3 fWAR season. The year before that his fWAR was 1.6. His fWAR was in 2016 was 3.0. A more respectable 4.8 in 2017 and 3.5 in 2018. It's not like Mike Trout has become a free agent here. This guy is about as unpredictable as it comes. 29 teams will be dodging a bullet this offseason. |
Author: | Juiced [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:42 am ] |
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Caller Bob wrote: In 2015 Bryce Harper put up a 9.3 fWAR season. The year before that his fWAR was 1.6. His fWAR was in 2016 was 3.0. A more respectable 4.8 in 2017 and 3.5 in 2018. It's not like Mike Trout has become a free agent here. This guy is about as unpredictable as it comes. 29 teams will be dodging a bullet this offseason. It's not all about production for the Sox. If Machado/Harper signs, they would opt out after 3yrs and sign the 350M+ contract they are looking for now. Sox are at least 3yrs away from being a contender. If they stay past the opt out year, then they most likely sucked and would not get the 350M they want and will be on the J.Heyward extortion plan. Harper will headline Sport Center and sport talk stations regardless of his fWAR. It's all about marketing and selling seats in the stadium. Harper vs Bryant, cross town rivals. Dog day at The Rate would even be a story. "Harper takes dog Wrigley to The Rate and it pisses on Sox logo." Only headlines you get with Machado will be negative unless he goes on a Sammy like hitting spree. "Machado hits 3hrs and complains that not enough fans are showing up at the ballpark." Machado buys pitbull and names him Yankee." |
Author: | Brick [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Harper and Machado snub the White Sox |
Juiced wrote: Caller Bob wrote: In 2015 Bryce Harper put up a 9.3 fWAR season. The year before that his fWAR was 1.6. His fWAR was in 2016 was 3.0. A more respectable 4.8 in 2017 and 3.5 in 2018. It's not like Mike Trout has become a free agent here. This guy is about as unpredictable as it comes. 29 teams will be dodging a bullet this offseason. It's not all about production for the Sox. If Machado/Harper signs, they would opt out after 3yrs and sign the 350M+ contract they are looking for now. Sox are at least 3yrs away from being a contender. If they stay past the opt out year, then they most likely sucked and would not get the 350M they want and will be on the J.Heyward extortion plan. Harper will headline Sport Center and sport talk stations regardless of his fWAR. It's all about marketing and selling seats in the stadium. Harper vs Bryant, cross town rivals. Dog day at The Rate would even be a story. "Harper takes dog Wrigley to The Rate and it pisses on Sox logo." Only headlines you get with Machado will be negative unless he goes on a Sammy like hitting spree. "Machado hits 3hrs and complains that not enough fans are showing up at the ballpark." Machado buys pitbull and names him Yankee." This whole post is awful. |
Author: | Juiced [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:47 am ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Cubs fans quite worried. Quite. It's news that I have to listen to every time I turn on sports talk or watch anything baseball related. Off course I am going to comment on it. Not worried. I want them to sign Harper or Machado. Would make for a fun summer. Not like any of your prospects are screaming all-star on the South Side. Need something to get the competition flowing. |
Author: | Caller Bob [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Harper and Machado snub the White Sox |
Juiced wrote: Caller Bob wrote: In 2015 Bryce Harper put up a 9.3 fWAR season. The year before that his fWAR was 1.6. His fWAR was in 2016 was 3.0. A more respectable 4.8 in 2017 and 3.5 in 2018. It's not like Mike Trout has become a free agent here. This guy is about as unpredictable as it comes. 29 teams will be dodging a bullet this offseason. It's not all about production for the Sox. If Machado/Harper signs, they would opt out after 3yrs and sign the 350M+ contract they are looking for now. Sox are at least 3yrs away from being a contender. If they stay past the opt out year, then they most likely sucked and would not get the 350M they want and will be on the J.Heyward extortion plan. Harper will headline Sport Center and sport talk stations regardless of his fWAR. It's all about marketing and selling seats in the stadium. Harper vs Bryant, cross town rivals. Dog day at The Rate would even be a story. "Harper takes dog Wrigley to The Rate and it pisses on Sox logo." Only headlines you get with Machado will be negative unless he goes on a Sammy like hitting spree. "Machado hits 3hrs and complains that not enough fans are showing up at the ballpark." Machado buys pitbull and names him Yankee." This really doesn't make any sense. |
Author: | Rod [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:49 am ] |
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Juiced wrote: Fitting that they would go the opposite route and low ball the guy no one wants at his market price. I'm still trying to figure this sentence out.Yeah, it's confusing. I don't see how the highest offer could be considered a lowball. It seems like many think CFMB sets the market price. |
Author: | Juiced [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Harper and Machado snub the White Sox |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Juiced wrote: Caller Bob wrote: In 2015 Bryce Harper put up a 9.3 fWAR season. The year before that his fWAR was 1.6. His fWAR was in 2016 was 3.0. A more respectable 4.8 in 2017 and 3.5 in 2018. It's not like Mike Trout has become a free agent here. This guy is about as unpredictable as it comes. 29 teams will be dodging a bullet this offseason. It's not all about production for the Sox. If Machado/Harper signs, they would opt out after 3yrs and sign the 350M+ contract they are looking for now. Sox are at least 3yrs away from being a contender. If they stay past the opt out year, then they most likely sucked and would not get the 350M they want and will be on the J.Heyward extortion plan. Harper will headline Sport Center and sport talk stations regardless of his fWAR. It's all about marketing and selling seats in the stadium. Harper vs Bryant, cross town rivals. Dog day at The Rate would even be a story. "Harper takes dog Wrigley to The Rate and it pisses on Sox logo." Only headlines you get with Machado will be negative unless he goes on a Sammy like hitting spree. "Machado hits 3hrs and complains that not enough fans are showing up at the ballpark." Machado buys pitbull and names him Yankee." This whole post is awful. This might be a shock to you, but I don't care about your opinion. Feel free to put me on ignore. I can not compete with how much you love your own thoughts. |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Harper and Machado snub the White Sox |
Caller Bob wrote: Juiced wrote: Caller Bob wrote: In 2015 Bryce Harper put up a 9.3 fWAR season. The year before that his fWAR was 1.6. His fWAR was in 2016 was 3.0. A more respectable 4.8 in 2017 and 3.5 in 2018. It's not like Mike Trout has become a free agent here. This guy is about as unpredictable as it comes. 29 teams will be dodging a bullet this offseason. It's not all about production for the Sox. If Machado/Harper signs, they would opt out after 3yrs and sign the 350M+ contract they are looking for now. Sox are at least 3yrs away from being a contender. If they stay past the opt out year, then they most likely sucked and would not get the 350M they want and will be on the J.Heyward extortion plan. Harper will headline Sport Center and sport talk stations regardless of his fWAR. It's all about marketing and selling seats in the stadium. Harper vs Bryant, cross town rivals. Dog day at The Rate would even be a story. "Harper takes dog Wrigley to The Rate and it pisses on Sox logo." Only headlines you get with Machado will be negative unless he goes on a Sammy like hitting spree. "Machado hits 3hrs and complains that not enough fans are showing up at the ballpark." Machado buys pitbull and names him Yankee." This really doesn't make any sense. |
Author: | Brick [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Harper and Machado snub the White Sox |
Juiced wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Juiced wrote: Caller Bob wrote: In 2015 Bryce Harper put up a 9.3 fWAR season. The year before that his fWAR was 1.6. His fWAR was in 2016 was 3.0. A more respectable 4.8 in 2017 and 3.5 in 2018. It's not like Mike Trout has become a free agent here. This guy is about as unpredictable as it comes. 29 teams will be dodging a bullet this offseason. It's not all about production for the Sox. If Machado/Harper signs, they would opt out after 3yrs and sign the 350M+ contract they are looking for now. Sox are at least 3yrs away from being a contender. If they stay past the opt out year, then they most likely sucked and would not get the 350M they want and will be on the J.Heyward extortion plan. Harper will headline Sport Center and sport talk stations regardless of his fWAR. It's all about marketing and selling seats in the stadium. Harper vs Bryant, cross town rivals. Dog day at The Rate would even be a story. "Harper takes dog Wrigley to The Rate and it pisses on Sox logo." Only headlines you get with Machado will be negative unless he goes on a Sammy like hitting spree. "Machado hits 3hrs and complains that not enough fans are showing up at the ballpark." Machado buys pitbull and names him Yankee." This whole post is awful. This might be a shock to you, but I don't care about your opinion. Feel free to put me on ignore. I can not compete with how much you love your own thoughts. Your post was still awful. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:52 am ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Caller Bob wrote: Juiced wrote: Caller Bob wrote: In 2015 Bryce Harper put up a 9.3 fWAR season. The year before that his fWAR was 1.6. His fWAR was in 2016 was 3.0. A more respectable 4.8 in 2017 and 3.5 in 2018. It's not like Mike Trout has become a free agent here. This guy is about as unpredictable as it comes. 29 teams will be dodging a bullet this offseason. It's not all about production for the Sox. If Machado/Harper signs, they would opt out after 3yrs and sign the 350M+ contract they are looking for now. Sox are at least 3yrs away from being a contender. If they stay past the opt out year, then they most likely sucked and would not get the 350M they want and will be on the J.Heyward extortion plan. Harper will headline Sport Center and sport talk stations regardless of his fWAR. It's all about marketing and selling seats in the stadium. Harper vs Bryant, cross town rivals. Dog day at The Rate would even be a story. "Harper takes dog Wrigley to The Rate and it pisses on Sox logo." Only headlines you get with Machado will be negative unless he goes on a Sammy like hitting spree. "Machado hits 3hrs and complains that not enough fans are showing up at the ballpark." Machado buys pitbull and names him Yankee." This really doesn't make any sense. Peter Gammons is terrible. |
Author: | Juiced [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:53 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Juiced wrote: Fitting that they would go the opposite route and low ball the guy no one wants at his market price. I'm still trying to figure this sentence out.Yeah, it's confusing. I don't see how the highest offer could be considered a lowball. It seems like many think CFMB sets the market price. How is it confusing. Guy goes to auction to buy a car. The reserve is 75,000 and guy bids 15,000. It's a low ball offer and guy knows seller will not sell it for 15,000. |
Author: | Juiced [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:56 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Harper and Machado snub the White Sox |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Juiced wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Juiced wrote: Caller Bob wrote: In 2015 Bryce Harper put up a 9.3 fWAR season. The year before that his fWAR was 1.6. His fWAR was in 2016 was 3.0. A more respectable 4.8 in 2017 and 3.5 in 2018. It's not like Mike Trout has become a free agent here. This guy is about as unpredictable as it comes. 29 teams will be dodging a bullet this offseason. It's not all about production for the Sox. If Machado/Harper signs, they would opt out after 3yrs and sign the 350M+ contract they are looking for now. Sox are at least 3yrs away from being a contender. If they stay past the opt out year, then they most likely sucked and would not get the 350M they want and will be on the J.Heyward extortion plan. Harper will headline Sport Center and sport talk stations regardless of his fWAR. It's all about marketing and selling seats in the stadium. Harper vs Bryant, cross town rivals. Dog day at The Rate would even be a story. "Harper takes dog Wrigley to The Rate and it pisses on Sox logo." Only headlines you get with Machado will be negative unless he goes on a Sammy like hitting spree. "Machado hits 3hrs and complains that not enough fans are showing up at the ballpark." Machado buys pitbull and names him Yankee." This whole post is awful. This might be a shock to you, but I don't care about your opinion. Feel free to put me on ignore. I can not compete with how much you love your own thoughts. Your post was still awful. What is awful? That Harper is more marketable then Machado? You really think Machado or Harper will stay for the entire contract if they perform at hall of fame levels? |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:58 am ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: It's Juiced. He makes 312player sound like Peter Gammons. Peter Gammons is terrible. |
Author: | Brick [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:02 am ] |
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Juiced wrote: What is awful? That Harper is more marketable then Machado? You really think Machado or Harper will stay for the entire contract if they perform at hall of fame levels? All of it. You don't pay far more than anyone else because you hope he leads on Sportscenter. Also, this is baseball. No one cares about most baseball players. You sign a player because you think the money you will pay them will be worth the results they bring. No one cares about Harper vs. Bryant. I don't think there has been a rivalry of players in MLB since Sammy and McGwire.
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Author: | Juiced [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:25 am ] |
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Juiced wrote: What is awful? That Harper is more marketable then Machado? You really think Machado or Harper will stay for the entire contract if they perform at hall of fame levels? All of it. You don't pay far more than anyone else because you hope he leads on Sportscenter. Also, this is baseball. No one cares about most baseball players. You sign a player because you think the money you will pay them will be worth the results they bring. No one cares about Harper vs. Bryant. I don't think there has been a rivalry of players in MLB since Sammy and McGwire.If you think the White Sox are trying to sign Harper or Machado only because of the skills they bring then you are a fool. By the time the White Sox are relevant again, Machado opts out if he signs below what he thinks his market value is. If you really want to sign AND keep him, you give him the 300M for 8+ yrs. If you want to tease your fans, you see if you can get him on the cheap and let him opt out after 3yrs when the market improves. |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:30 am ] |
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Juiced wrote: If you really want to sign AND keep him, you give him the 300M for 8+ yrs. Very few teams are even offering half of this. The White Sox are negotiating against literally one other team- at most- but in your opinion they should offer nearly $40million per season because some dopey Cubs fans on the internet say so. |
Author: | Rod [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:35 am ] |
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Juiced wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Juiced wrote: Fitting that they would go the opposite route and low ball the guy no one wants at his market price. I'm still trying to figure this sentence out.Yeah, it's confusing. I don't see how the highest offer could be considered a lowball. It seems like many think CFMB sets the market price. How is it confusing. Guy goes to auction to buy a car. The reserve is 75,000 and guy bids 15,000. It's a low ball offer and guy knows seller will not sell it for 15,000. There is no "reserve" unless he's not going to play. The market is the market. I'm sorry it won't bear as much as you believe it should. |
Author: | Caller Bob [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:35 am ] |
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Juiced wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Juiced wrote: What is awful? That Harper is more marketable then Machado? You really think Machado or Harper will stay for the entire contract if they perform at hall of fame levels? All of it. You don't pay far more than anyone else because you hope he leads on Sportscenter. Also, this is baseball. No one cares about most baseball players. You sign a player because you think the money you will pay them will be worth the results they bring. No one cares about Harper vs. Bryant. I don't think there has been a rivalry of players in MLB since Sammy and McGwire.If you think the White Sox are trying to sign Harper or Machado only because of the skills they bring then you are a fool. By the time the White Sox are relevant again, Machado opts out if he signs below what he thinks his market value is. If you really want to sign AND keep him, you give him the 300M for 8+ yrs. If you want to tease your fans, you see if you can get him on the cheap and let him opt out after 3yrs when the market improves. The White Sox can bring the fans back in by signing a player that produces on the field and helps them win. If you really think that the fans are going to come back for a "celebrity player" regardless of personal and team performance, you are high. |
Author: | Brick [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:36 am ] |
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Juiced wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Juiced wrote: What is awful? That Harper is more marketable then Machado? You really think Machado or Harper will stay for the entire contract if they perform at hall of fame levels? All of it. You don't pay far more than anyone else because you hope he leads on Sportscenter. Also, this is baseball. No one cares about most baseball players. You sign a player because you think the money you will pay them will be worth the results they bring. No one cares about Harper vs. Bryant. I don't think there has been a rivalry of players in MLB since Sammy and McGwire.If you think the White Sox are trying to sign Harper or Machado only because of the skills they bring then you are a fool. By the time the White Sox are relevant again, Machado opts out if he signs below what he thinks his market value is. If you really want to sign AND keep him, you give him the 300M for 8+ yrs. If you want to tease your fans, you see if you can get him on the cheap and let him opt out after 3yrs when the market improves. You can't even keep your story straight here. This is pointless. You now seemingly want the Sox to lowball him! |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:37 am ] |
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Yup. Macho & Eloy will help at times, but the Sox aren't going to suddenly average 25-30K a game just because those two guys are there. Winning 88-90+ games and getting into the Wild Card or being in contention for the division is what will bring MANY fans out. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:42 am ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Yup. Macho & Eloy will help at times, but the Sox aren't going to suddenly average 25-30K a game just because those two guys are there. Winning 88-90+ games and getting into the Wild Card or being in contention for the division is what will bring MANY fans out. The 1970 Sox averaged 5897 per game. That's awesome. |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:50 am ] |
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In terms of actual people walking thru the turnstyles, I don't think the number was much higher than that last season |
Author: | The Hawk [ Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:21 am ] |
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What we might be seeing down the road is that one or both of these guys would sign possibly a contract with a walk-away option after 3 or so years. Apparently the money is not there for them for a 7-8 year contract right now for a team that they might be interested in playing for. That is what might happen. A less than desirable team like the Sox may offer them more and they bet on themselves that they will have some good seasons and in 3 years a better contract would be available for them. THis seems to me to be plausible and a potential for Machado to play for a few years with his buddies in Chicago. Not sure that Harper would do the same. |
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