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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:15 am ] |
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In interview, Kenny Williams addresses fan anger and the fallout of White Sox missing out on Manny Machado and Bryce Harper By Vinnie Duber February 28, 2019 9:45 PM 535 Leave a comment LATEST WHITE SOX TALK Williams address Sox missing out on Machado, Harper MLB Pipeline Releases White Sox Top 30 Prospect List Podcast: Burdi on coming back from Tommy John Manny Machado is still a San Diego Padre. Bryce Harper is still a Philadelphia Phillie. And White Sox fans are still angry. No, nothing's changed since earlier Thursday, when Harper broke Machado's week-and-change-old record for the biggest free-agent contract in the history of American pro sports, officially leaving the White Sox empty handed in their pursuits of the two biggest names on this offseason's free-agent market. Neither guy ended up on the South Side, despite the fact that the team went after both, going especially hard on Machado, to the point where general manager Rick Hahn and team vice president Kenny Williams seemed blindsided when the 26-year-old infielder spurned them for the Padres last week. Well, more than a week later, Williams voiced his opinion on the fallout in an interview with the Sun-Times' Daryl Van Schouwen, addressing the harsh reaction of fans who have taken to social media to express their outrage with the team's effort and approach to the negotiations. "I was going to say it has already passed for us but Rick and I were talking about it yesterday, and it ain’t bleeping passed," Williams told Van Schouwen. "It’s a shame if it’s being portrayed that we were on the cheap on this thing. That’s really interesting because, holy s**t, that’s a quarter of a billion dollars we offered with a chance to be higher than what he’s getting." White Sox fans have indeed attacked the front office for being cheap, and Williams is not exactly wrong in correcting them there. The White Sox committed to spend as much as $350 million on Machado. That is, by definition, the opposite of cheap. But it doesn't take someone with inside info to figure out that the reason Machado is playing for the Padres right now is that there was a $50 million difference in the amount of guaranteed money in the two offers. The White Sox only offered $250 million guaranteed, while the Padres offered $300 million guaranteed. Machado went with the latter. And while Williams is not wrong in arguing that the White Sox offer could have made Machado richer over time, if Machado breaks his leg tomorrow, he'll be $50 million richer than he would have been had he signed with the White Sox. That's a big difference. And a lot of fans feel the White Sox could've and should've done more, what with the financial flexibility they've talked about for so many months. Williams, though, thinks they did the best they could have done. "There is nothing I can say that will make them feel better," Williams told Van Schouwen. "Rest assured that no one is feeling what Rick and I are feeling because every single day since June of last year, this is what we had planned for, the pursuit of both Harper and Machado. Harper (was) well out of our range. With Machado we extended ourselves as far as we could without jeopardizing what we’re going to need to do in the future. "People are lost on the fact that on a yearly basis our offer was more than San Diego’s. The average annual value was 31 (million dollars) and change. So it was about years guaranteed. So there is an argument that could be made that our offer was the better of the two. It certainly had more upside for him. All he had to do was basically stay healthy." Williams spoke the morning news of Machado's deal with the Padres broke, and his comments then irked a lot of fans, as he said part of the reason the White Sox couldn't commit more guaranteed dollars to Machado now was that they needed to plan for the day when their current prospects and young major leaguers need new contracts. That might be true, but it's at least half a decade down the road. Well, the fans who were miffed by those comments that day won't be happy about these new ones, with Williams doubling down on that explanation. "Our fans would have been much more disappointed in our inability to keep this next core together," Williams told Van Schouwen. "We would have overextended ourselves had we gone to an uncomfortable level." The social-media rage is unlikely to subside, and these comments, coupled with the outcome of both pursuits, do little to disprove what Hahn referred to as a "false narrative" at SoxFest that the White Sox would not spend enough to bring top-of-the-line free agents to the South Side. No matter the effort level in the pursuits or the potential money committed, until the White Sox win a high-profile free-agent derby, that narrative, true or false, will remain intact. In situations like these, money always seems to do the majority of the talking. Williams confirming that the White Sox were unwilling to spend what it ended up taking to land each of these free agents shows they might not have been having the same conversation as other teams, at least not the Padres with Machado or the Phillies with Harper. |
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| Author: | Cashman [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:24 am ] |
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Delusional |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:25 am ] |
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Fuck him. Nice job ruining the franchise asshole |
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| Author: | storkinastorm [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:29 am ] |
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What a dick. Screw this franchise |
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| Author: | Juiced [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:35 am ] |
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"Our fans would have been much more disappointed in our inability to keep this next core together," The core of who exactly? Eloy hasn't even started his MLB clock yet and they don't have one prospect playing MLB that is even close to the talent of a Machado and Harper.  Enjoy the core of trash that they have collected.
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:44 am ] |
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The core will remain intact 7 years from now when they are free agents? What a load of shit. Kenny Williams just needs to stfu. Why is he even granting interviews? Always comes off as a guy who always thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:50 am ] |
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Wasn't Williams' "argument" about the contract being better debunked the same day Machado signed (or maybe the next day)? |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:51 am ] |
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Don Tiny wrote: Wasn't Williams' "argument" about the contract being better debunked the same day Machado signed (or maybe the next day)? Yes, easily. If it was a better contract Manny would have signed it. Kenny Williams is a dumb asshole who should shut the fuck up. God I hate this team. |
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| Author: | FrankDrebin [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:52 am ] |
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While I agree that Machado is not worth the contract he received, Williams does need to stop talking. Sox and Bulls need to hire a McDonough-type who is PR-savvy to avoid shooting themselves in the foot every time. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:55 am ] |
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Quote: That’s really interesting because, holy s**t, that’s a quarter of a billion dollars we offered with a chance to be higher than what he’s getting." He's not wrong.
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| Author: | denisdman [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:57 am ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Quote: That’s really interesting because, holy s**t, that’s a quarter of a billion dollars we offered with a chance to be higher than what he’s getting." He's not wrong.Nope. They ain’t cheap. |
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| Author: | GoldenJet [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:57 am ] |
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Completely tone deaf and delusional. They played games and tried to get him for under asking. That is not going all in on a guy. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:58 am ] |
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GoldenJet wrote: They played games and tried to get him for under asking. That is not going all in on a guy. They guaranteed a quarter of a billion dollars over 8 years. If that was their best offer, then it was their best and you have to move on.
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| Author: | denisdman [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:00 pm ] |
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GoldenJet wrote: Completely tone deaf and delusional. They played games and tried to get him for under asking. That is not going all in on a guy. But with that logic you would have no limit to what you’re willing to pay. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:01 pm ] |
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FavreFan wrote: Don Tiny wrote: Wasn't Williams' "argument" about the contract being better debunked the same day Machado signed (or maybe the next day)? Yes, easily. If it was a better contract Manny would have signed it. Kenny Williams is a dumb asshole who should shut the fuck up. God I hate this team.[/quot Get on the big blue train. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:02 pm ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Quote: That’s really interesting because, holy s**t, that’s a quarter of a billion dollars we offered with a chance to be higher than what he’s getting." He's not wrong.True, that quote is correct, but it ignores the context that the offer was still definitively worse than the Padres. The Sox fucked this up badly, no other way to spin it. Stop making excuses for him. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:02 pm ] |
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312player wrote: FavreFan wrote: Don Tiny wrote: Wasn't Williams' "argument" about the contract being better debunked the same day Machado signed (or maybe the next day)? Yes, easily. If it was a better contract Manny would have signed it. Kenny Williams is a dumb asshole who should shut the fuck up. God I hate this team.[/quot Get on the big blue train. Never |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:03 pm ] |
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FavreFan wrote: 312player wrote: Get on the big blue train. Never I'll jump off the Sears Tower before I jump on the Cubbie bandwagon. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:05 pm ] |
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denisdman wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: Quote: That’s really interesting because, holy s**t, that’s a quarter of a billion dollars we offered with a chance to be higher than what he’s getting." He's not wrong.Nope. They ain’t cheap. Offers that do not get accepted dont count as spending. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:06 pm ] |
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They ain't cheap, they just play in Chicago and are content continuing to have the lowest payroll in baseball Fuck outta here with that bullshit denis |
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| Author: | Big Chicagoan [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:08 pm ] |
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Need money to keep Anderson and Moncada. Can't afford them and Machado. |
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| Author: | GoldenJet [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:08 pm ] |
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denisdman wrote: GoldenJet wrote: Completely tone deaf and delusional. They played games and tried to get him for under asking. That is not going all in on a guy. But with that logic you would have no limit to what you’re willing to pay. Bullshit. The guy wanted an opt out. They could have matched...easily. If Manny opts out, big deal. If he gets hurt, they have insurance. The Sox didn't get played. They just didn't want to work with the guy. They did stupid shit instead. Sign his buddy, his bil, his old coach...idiots. Those last two years @550 plate appearances was the deal breaker. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:08 pm ] |
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denisdman wrote: GoldenJet wrote: Completely tone deaf and delusional. They played games and tried to get him for under asking. That is not going all in on a guy. But with that logic you would have no limit to what you’re willing to pay. And with your logic, they could spend zero dollars on free agents over a 10 year period and not be considered cheap as long as the offers were good. At some point, the price of poker is the price of poker. |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:09 pm ] |
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Calling out fans about how much pressure you're feeling is bush league. Seems to be a theme with Reinsdorf franchises, whether it's coincidence or not. Pax and Kenny both seem to have a hatred for fans. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:10 pm ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: At some point, the price of poker is the price of poker. And sometimes a hand gets too rich, so you fold.
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:10 pm ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: FavreFan wrote: 312player wrote: Get on the big blue train. Never I'll jump off the Sears Tower before I jump on the Cubbie bandwagon. You weren't invited. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:11 pm ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: At some point, the price of poker is the price of poker. And sometimes a hand gets too rich, so you fold.And when you do that 10 years in a row, you suck at poker and should be fucking fired from the table |
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| Author: | GoldenJet [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:11 pm ] |
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They played it like people at a live auction at a charity event who bid items up, knowing they're going to get outbid in the end. |
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| Author: | GoldenJet [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:13 pm ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: At some point, the price of poker is the price of poker. And sometimes a hand gets too rich, so you fold.True. That's not what happened here. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:14 pm ] |
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FavreFan wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: At some point, the price of poker is the price of poker. And sometimes a hand gets too rich, so you fold.And when you do that 10 years in a row, you suck at poker and should be fucking fired from the table Right.This is comical. When I posted the White Sox should be commended for trying I was joking. Apparently some believe that to be true. Also, the history of the White Sox did not begin with losing out on Machado. They're cheap. Jerry is cheap. It is what it is. He's got people conditioned to bring up 1 contract from 20 years ago to defend his spending. |
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