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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 8:01 am 
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Apparently Giolito had to go to his high school coach in order to get fixed this offseason as the Sox long tenured pitching coach is a joke. It would be nice if the Sox had a pitching coach who could fix one of their key acquisitions in the rebuild. I guess we should hope Lopez has a good high school coach he can fall back on as that's the only way he's going to have his problems fixed.

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Agree. Didn't Keyser tell us, Fullmer went outside of the organization? No that it has worked for him.


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 Post subject: Re: Fire Don Cooper
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Agree. Didn't Keyser tell us, Fullmer went outside of the organization? No that it has worked for him.

It sounded like Giolito didn't have the approval of the organization and they would've tried to shoot it down had he told them what he was doing. Good for him on doing what he needed to do.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Don Cooper
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We seems to be slowly becoming the Baltimore Orioles but willing to spend internationally.


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 Post subject: Re: Fire Don Cooper
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Cashman wrote:
We seems to be slowly becoming the Baltimore Orioles but willing to spend internationally.

We're 2 games below .500 with Cease and Kopech in our rotation next year. We're not *that* bad

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
https://theathletic.com/984135/2019/05/19/im-going-to-fix-this-right-now-how-white-sox-pitcher-lucas-giolito-reinvented-himself-in-california/

Apparently Giolito had to go to his high school coach in order to get fixed this offseason as the Sox long tenured pitching coach is a joke. It would be nice if the Sox had a pitching coach who could fix one of their key acquisitions in the rebuild. I guess we should hope Lopez has a good high school coach he can fall back on as that's the only way he's going to have his problems fixed.


Lopez has quality starts in six of his last seven

Don was KW snitch in the clubhouse. He has a job for life.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Don Cooper
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good dolphin wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
https://theathletic.com/984135/2019/05/19/im-going-to-fix-this-right-now-how-white-sox-pitcher-lucas-giolito-reinvented-himself-in-california/

Apparently Giolito had to go to his high school coach in order to get fixed this offseason as the Sox long tenured pitching coach is a joke. It would be nice if the Sox had a pitching coach who could fix one of their key acquisitions in the rebuild. I guess we should hope Lopez has a good high school coach he can fall back on as that's the only way he's going to have his problems fixed.


Lopez has quality starts in six of his last seven

Don was KW snitch in the clubhouse. He has a job for life.

Who doesn't have a job for life when working for Reinsdorf?

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Don Cooper
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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
https://theathletic.com/984135/2019/05/19/im-going-to-fix-this-right-now-how-white-sox-pitcher-lucas-giolito-reinvented-himself-in-california/

Apparently Giolito had to go to his high school coach in order to get fixed this offseason as the Sox long tenured pitching coach is a joke. It would be nice if the Sox had a pitching coach who could fix one of their key acquisitions in the rebuild. I guess we should hope Lopez has a good high school coach he can fall back on as that's the only way he's going to have his problems fixed.


Lopez has quality starts in six of his last seven

Don was KW snitch in the clubhouse. He has a job for life.

Who doesn't have a job for life when working for Reinsdorf?


As a pitching coach myself who has worked with some guys who made the major league roster and elsewhere, I don't see anything wrong with a pitcher going to talk to someone they worked with for four or more years when young. Pitching is really an art form and there isn't one way to do it. Having another pair of eyes look at what your doing sometimes can work, especially a pair of eyes that knows what you did successfully in the past. Personally, I think that is a great story.

As for Cooper being a bad pitching coach, I don't know. The Sox have developed a fair share of good major league pitchers and had some busts. I watched the Stros broadcast and they were marveling at the change in Giolitto from previous seasons and they talked about his shorter delivery and the increased speed of his fastball a lot. Don't know if you watched that broadcast.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Don Cooper
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The Hawk wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
https://theathletic.com/984135/2019/05/19/im-going-to-fix-this-right-now-how-white-sox-pitcher-lucas-giolito-reinvented-himself-in-california/

Apparently Giolito had to go to his high school coach in order to get fixed this offseason as the Sox long tenured pitching coach is a joke. It would be nice if the Sox had a pitching coach who could fix one of their key acquisitions in the rebuild. I guess we should hope Lopez has a good high school coach he can fall back on as that's the only way he's going to have his problems fixed.


Lopez has quality starts in six of his last seven

Don was KW snitch in the clubhouse. He has a job for life.

Who doesn't have a job for life when working for Reinsdorf?


As a pitching coach myself who has worked with some guys who made the major league roster and elsewhere, I don't see anything wrong with a pitcher going to talk to someone they worked with for four or more years when young. Pitching is really an art form and there isn't one way to do it. Having another pair of eyes look at what your doing sometimes can work, especially a pair of eyes that knows what you did successfully in the past. Personally, I think that is a great story.

As for Cooper being a bad pitching coach, I don't know. The Sox have developed a fair share of good major league pitchers and had some busts. I watched the Stros broadcast and they were marveling at the change in Giolitto from previous seasons and they talked about his shorter delivery and the increased speed of his fastball a lot. Don't know if you watched that broadcast.

Coop was never a mechanics savant. He's a process savant.


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 Post subject: Re: Fire Don Cooper
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The Hawk wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
https://theathletic.com/984135/2019/05/19/im-going-to-fix-this-right-now-how-white-sox-pitcher-lucas-giolito-reinvented-himself-in-california/

Apparently Giolito had to go to his high school coach in order to get fixed this offseason as the Sox long tenured pitching coach is a joke. It would be nice if the Sox had a pitching coach who could fix one of their key acquisitions in the rebuild. I guess we should hope Lopez has a good high school coach he can fall back on as that's the only way he's going to have his problems fixed.


Lopez has quality starts in six of his last seven

Don was KW snitch in the clubhouse. He has a job for life.

Who doesn't have a job for life when working for Reinsdorf?


As a pitching coach myself who has worked with some guys who made the major league roster and elsewhere, I don't see anything wrong with a pitcher going to talk to someone they worked with for four or more years when young. Pitching is really an art form and there isn't one way to do it. Having another pair of eyes look at what your doing sometimes can work, especially a pair of eyes that knows what you did successfully in the past. Personally, I think that is a great story.

As for Cooper being a bad pitching coach, I don't know. The Sox have developed a fair share of good major league pitchers and had some busts. I watched the Stros broadcast and they were marveling at the change in Giolitto from previous seasons and they talked about his shorter delivery and the increased speed of his fastball a lot. Don't know if you watched that broadcast.


I think the problem is what we are back channel hearing about how the Sox don't like players doing this.


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 Post subject: Re: Fire Don Cooper
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Cooper fixed Sale so he could beat us though.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Don Cooper
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Cashman wrote:
Agree. Didn't Keyser tell us, Fullmer went outside of the organization? No that it has worked for him.



He better try something else.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Don Cooper
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Don was KW snitch in the clubhouse. He has a job for life.

Best quote from Sun-Times' Joe Cowley about Coop...

"Don Cooper was a made guy who turned rat and is now once again a made guy."

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Don Cooper
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Re-upping this after Lopez's latest turd

Can we hire Giolito's coach?

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