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Is Tim Anderson The Best SS In Chicago?
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Author:  good dolphin [ Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:28 pm ]
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why yes, yes he is
Author:  Regular Reader [ Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:38 pm ]
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Indeed.
Author:  IMU [ Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:48 pm ]
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That's certainly an opinion one can have.
Author:  Darkside [ Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:01 pm ]
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Did anyone see Baez snatch that ball and get the guy trying to round third today? I'm not sure theres many other SS that make that play.
Author:  Bababooey [ Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:58 pm ]
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Terrible thread
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:04 pm ]
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He has the chance to be. Too many errors for now though.

Moncada, however, is the best 3B in chicago.
Author:  The Hawk [ Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:17 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
He has the chance to be. Too many errors for now though.

Moncada, however, is the best 3B in chicago.


That infield over-all is one of the best two way infields in all of baseball. Even with Sanchez in it. I gotta give him some credit though. He is a sort of spark-plug for this team and does a very good job at second base. He turns as good a double play as there is in baseball. His positioning and timing to take the throw and with the runner bearing down on him still almost always get a strong accurate throw to first. It is nice to see that because a lot of 2nd basemen cannot do that well.
Author:  The Hawk [ Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:51 am ]
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The way I read statistics, I think that Anderson today, may be eligible for the batting title in the AL. Moncada right now has seven more ABs than Anderson and he is the 6th leading hitter in the AL. Anderson is now hitting .332 which is higher than the number one guy in the AL. Pretty nice to have your short-stop and 3B in the top echelons in baseball. Add in Abreu who is the best hitting 1B in the AL and you really have a wrecking crew offensively in your infield.

Bring up Robert next season and plug him into the middle of this line-up and next year is going to be great fun to watch. Add in Mercedes, Sheets, Madrigal next year or in 2021 and add some starting pitching, and we very well could be looking at a championship or two in the very near future. I am not an optimistic guy when it comes to the White Sox because of Reinsdorf and he still has the key to all of this with the requirement that he spend some significant money for pitching but this is very possible.
Author:  newper [ Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:20 pm ]
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Ha-Ha Clinton Dix is now the best SS in Chicago.
Author:  Regular Reader [ Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:33 pm ]
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The Hawk wrote:
The way I read statistics, I think that Anderson today, may be eligible for the batting title in the AL. Moncada right now has seven more ABs than Anderson and he is the 6th leading hitter in the AL. Anderson is now hitting .332 which is higher than the number one guy in the AL. Pretty nice to have your short-stop and 3B in the top echelons in baseball. Add in Abreu who is the best hitting 1B in the AL and you really have a wrecking crew offensively in your infield.

Bring up Robert next season and plug him into the middle of this line-up and next year is going to be great fun to watch. Add in Mercedes, Sheets, Madrigal next year or in 2021 and add some starting pitching, and we very well could be looking at a championship or two in the very near future. I am not an optimistic guy when it comes to the White Sox because of Reinsdorf and he still has the key to all of this with the requirement that he spend some significant money for pitching but this is very possible.


See we can agree! :D
Author:  The Hawk [ Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:29 am ]
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Darkside wrote:
Did anyone see Baez snatch that ball and get the guy trying to round third today? I'm not sure theres many other SS that make that play.


Baez is a terrific and gifted short-stop. He is a natural at the position. For the record, I think that Anderson is playing out of position. I always thought he is a natural center fielder. In a way Moncada was miscast as a 2nd baseman also and the move to 3rd put him at a position that he was well suited for. He is truly a very good defensive 3rd baseman and a mediocre to average 2nd baseman.
Author:  Nardi [ Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:08 pm ]
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The Hawk wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Did anyone see Baez snatch that ball and get the guy trying to round third today? I'm not sure theres many other SS that make that play.


Baez is a terrific and gifted short-stop. He is a natural at the position. For the record, I think that Anderson is playing out of position. I always thought he is a natural center fielder. In a way Moncada was miscast as a 2nd baseman also and the move to 3rd put him at a position that he was well suited for. He is truly a very good defensive 3rd baseman and a mediocre to average 2nd baseman.

13 errors. 5th worst 3rd baseman in MLB. Not to mention it's only in 100 games
Author:  IMU [ Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:14 pm ]
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Get out of here with your advanced statistics, Nardi.
Author:  The Hawk [ Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:40 pm ]
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Nardi wrote:
The Hawk wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Did anyone see Baez snatch that ball and get the guy trying to round third today? I'm not sure theres many other SS that make that play.


Baez is a terrific and gifted short-stop. He is a natural at the position. For the record, I think that Anderson is playing out of position. I always thought he is a natural center fielder. In a way Moncada was miscast as a 2nd baseman also and the move to 3rd put him at a position that he was well suited for. He is truly a very good defensive 3rd baseman and a mediocre to average 2nd baseman.

13 errors. 5th worst 3rd baseman in MLB. Not to mention it's only in 100 games


Errors are not the definitive measurement of defensive ability. Moncada has a lot of range at 3rd base and throws on the run much better than a ton of 3rd basemen. He made a couple of plays just yesterday that most major 3rd basemen would never have made and would have gone for base hits normally. One was on a swinging bunt where he had to come in fast, field, and throw a ball with zip on it to first. Many 3rd basemen would have either had to eat the ball when they got it or get it and make a throwing error to first. Another came when he ranged into the hole on a slow ground ball, pick it in front of Anderson, and throw a dart to Abreu. That was impressive in that if Anderson picks that ball up and threw it would have been too late and the batter would have gotten an infield hit.
Author:  good dolphin [ Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:17 pm ]
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Leading the entire al in batting average now
Author:  Nardi [ Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:22 am ]
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good dolphin wrote:
Leading the entire al in batting average now

Also leads the entire MLB in errors. There's a nonchalance that I've seen this year. It's unacceptable.
Author:  The Hawk [ Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:32 am ]
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Nardi wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Leading the entire al in batting average now

Also leads the entire MLB in errors. There's a nonchalance that I've seen this year. It's unacceptable.


That's a good take, Nardi. . Nonchalance is a good word for it. There is also way too much acceptance of stupid misplays all around. The dugout reminds me of a frat party and that game last night was illustrative of it. Garcia's wrong break on a ball in center field was met with laughter in the dugout by he and his teammates. The next inning he misplayed a ball in right center field. Palka is a joke in the outfield. All the while there is no coaching going on whatsoever. Hell, the base coaches themselves are bad.

The Sox need a housecleaning in the coaching staff, starting with Renteria.
Author:  FrankDrebin [ Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:15 am ]
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I'll still take Baez. If Anderson continues to do this next year, I'll reconsider.
Author:  BigW72 [ Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:14 pm ]
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Championship teams do not have butchers at SS. It's great to see TIMMAY be a great hitter....but I'd still take Baez
Author:  good dolphin [ Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:35 pm ]
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Javier "elite defensive ss, makes plays no one else makes" Baez 15 errors

Tim "horrible defensive ss" Anderson 24 errors

if errors are your thing
Author:  The Hawk [ Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:42 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote:
Javier "elite defensive ss, makes plays no one else makes" Baez 15 errors

Tim "horrible defensive ss" Anderson 24 errors

if errors are your thing


I haven't read any stats on this but I think since the advent of the really juiced baseball and the defensive shifting that is going on across the major leagues this year, my guess is that errors are probably greatly up this season. In that game yesterday, Anderson went in the hole, backhanded the ball jumped in the air and DIDN'T THROW THE BASEBALL TO FIRST. Why? Because where he got the ball was in short left field and even though he has a gun for an arm he knew that no way could he throw the runner out.

Frankly, as someone who loves defense, I hate watching today's baseball because of the ball itself. I even think that the umpires have been told not to call marginal pitches strikes because the league wants more scoring. That umpire yesterday was an example of it.
Author:  IMU [ Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:43 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote:
Javier "elite defensive ss, makes plays no one else makes" Baez 15 errors

Tim "horrible defensive ss" Anderson 24 errors

if errors are your thing

Please note that that 24 errors leads all of baseball by 5.

Javier Baez's error total and fielding percentage are in the middle of the pack for shortstops. He also has the second highest Range Factor for SS... which has been known to saddle players with errors they don't really deserve from time to time.

Baez is a very good defensive SS. And there is room for improvement.
Author:  The Hawk [ Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:47 pm ]
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Too many of Anderson's errors in my judgement are because of bad positioning and footwork. He is not a good defensive short-stop and I doubt that he got much coaching as such while in youth baseball and high school.
Author:  good dolphin [ Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:43 pm ]
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IMU wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Javier "elite defensive ss, makes plays no one else makes" Baez 15 errors

Tim "horrible defensive ss" Anderson 24 errors

if errors are your thing

Please note that that 24 errors leads all of baseball by 5.

Javier Baez's error total and fielding percentage are in the middle of the pack for shortstops. He also has the second highest Range Factor for SS... which has been known to saddle players with errors they don't really deserve from time to time.

Baez is a very good defensive SS. And there is room for improvement.


Nice sin of omission there. Who is right behind him on range?

I don't think Anderson is currently some OMG, Super awesome defender right now but perceptions in this town are severely skewed.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:47 pm ]
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Kind of. There are some who think Baez is a God and the best tagger ever to have worn a baseball mitt. They will make up some sort of metric in that regard so he can be "the best" at something other than losing his helmet on swings. But, thats what Cubs fans and media have done for years.

Anderson is having a wonderful offensive season, but he is just above a butcher at SS. His defense needs to drastically improve if the Sox are to become a Championship team over the next few years.
Author:  IMU [ Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:50 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote:
IMU wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Javier "elite defensive ss, makes plays no one else makes" Baez 15 errors

Tim "horrible defensive ss" Anderson 24 errors

if errors are your thing

Please note that that 24 errors leads all of baseball by 5.

Javier Baez's error total and fielding percentage are in the middle of the pack for shortstops. He also has the second highest Range Factor for SS... which has been known to saddle players with errors they don't really deserve from time to time.

Baez is a very good defensive SS. And there is room for improvement.


Nice sin of omission there. Who is right behind him on range?

I don't think Anderson is currently some OMG, Super awesome defender right now but perceptions in this town are severely skewed.

Fair call out. Unintentional...I assumed he would not be there and didn't look.

That being said, the 'ratio' would still fall in Baez's favor. Higher RF and lower errors.
Author:  Nardi [ Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:51 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote:
Javier "elite defensive ss, makes plays no one else makes" Baez 15 errors

Tim "horrible defensive ss" Anderson 24 errors

if errors are your thing

They are when he lollygags a throw and it goes sailing. He's done a lot of that this year. If you have time to set, then set.
Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:03 pm ]
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Is range factor affected by shifts? In other words, if Baez is playing in a better position (instructed by the coaches), and he therefore gets to more balls than if he were in the standard SS position, does that help his RF or does it not matter?
Author:  IMU [ Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:50 pm ]
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Yes, RF is simply A+PO/GP.

Baez does get in shallow right against pull heavy lefties, for example. That could help him versus a SS whose team would rather move the 3B over to shallow right and keep the SS on the left side of second.

That being said, the Cubs shift less than almost any other team in baseball, so this might actually hurt Baez' RF versus other SS.
Author:  timmyholton [ Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:34 am ]
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