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Author:  Bababooey [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:47 am ]
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https://twitter.com/sn_mlb/status/12181 ... 88384?s=20

Black Jack calling out the 80s white Sox for cheating.

Author:  Jbi11s [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:48 am ]
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What did Uncle Jerry ever do to him?

Author:  billypootons [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:49 am ]
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was it the year hawk was GM..... #cancelthehawkfrick

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:50 am ]
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Of all the pro-athletes I've met, he was probably the biggest asshole. And this was to a group of kids in the early 90s.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:51 am ]
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Caller Bobaooey is very jealous of the White Sox!

Author:  Douchebag [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:52 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Caller Bobaooey is very jealous of the White Sox!

I'm surprised he didn't make this an all-caps thread title.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:57 am ]
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Hawk shitcanned LaRussa in the middle of the 1986 season. Back Jack's debut was as as September call up in 1987.

Author:  Regular Reader [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:18 pm ]
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He should've used some of that pent up anger against the Jays in the ALCS when he got rocked. just like when Sattle rocked his ass two years later.

I still think that Bere & Alvarez should've been the games 1 & 2 starters. BlackJack was a horse yeah, but only ready for the glue factory by September of that year.

Author:  Darkside [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:20 pm ]
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Bababooey wrote:
https://twitter.com/sn_mlb/status/1218193147433488384?s=20

Black Jack calling out the 80s white Sox for cheating.

Yeah, but Trump, man.

Author:  sjboyd0137 [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:32 pm ]
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You'd think they would have been better in the 80's if this were the case...

Author:  good dolphin [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:43 pm ]
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Of all the pro-athletes I've met, he was probably the biggest asshole. And this was to a group of kids in the early 90s.


he acted like some brooding artist who considered baseball a way to pay the bills on the side

Author:  The Hawk [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:42 pm ]
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I agree with Black Jack about LaRussa being a bad guy. He led the entire steroid epidemic while manager of the A's and beyond. And I have no doubt that he would have put that light on the sign with a switch after a camera read the catcher's sign. As for McDowell, though, I never liked the guy and his attitude at all.

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:53 pm ]
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Yep. He had a band Stick Figure. He said in a number of interviews that he would rather make the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame than the baseball.


good dolphin wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Of all the pro-athletes I've met, he was probably the biggest asshole. And this was to a group of kids in the early 90s.


he acted like some brooding artist who considered baseball a way to pay the bills on the side

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:58 pm ]
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Alvarez was un-hittable going into the playoffs, and he was the stopper in the series. He won game three with a great performance. Bere got pulled early in game 4, and they won with trade deadline acquisition Tim Belcher in relief.

It would have been a PR mess to not start McDowell, but he was owned by the Blue Jays. Losing to Dave Stewart twice in good starts by Fernandez blew that series. If they had started Alvarez in Game 2 it would have been interesting. Also, playing Dan Pasqua was a pretty big mistake. Not that more Bo Jackson at bats would have made the difference.


Regular Reader wrote:
He should've used some of that pent up anger against the Jays in the ALCS when he got rocked. just like when Sattle rocked his ass two years later.

I still think that Bere & Alvarez should've been the games 1 & 2 starters. BlackJack was a horse yeah, but only ready for the glue factory by September of that year.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:01 pm ]
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Fun Fact. Lance Johnson became the first player in MLB history to hit zero regular season home runs, then hit a postseason home run.

The second time it happened? Scott Podsednik, 2005.

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:04 pm ]
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Two guys that analytics departments would hate.

Frank Coztansa wrote:
Fun Fact. Lance Johnson became the first player in MLB history to hit zero regular season home runs, then hit a postseason home run.

The second time it happened? Scott Podsednik, 2005.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:09 pm ]
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Well, Johnson hit over .300 in that 1993 season, and I think he had like 12 triples. His hitting alone would have shown up as a positive somewhere on an analytic sheet.

Pods is different, but anybody who watched any Sox games in the first part of 2005 knew what he meant to that lineup. If he got on base, it was as good as a run at least half the time as he would steal second, got to 3rd on an Iguchi bunt or ground ball, then get knocked in by Everett or Konerko. MANY times the Sox were up 1-0 three batters into the game. I think he had 4 steals in a game three or four times during the early part of the year. He was nearly unstoppable on the bases. He wasn't the same after hig leg injury about 2/3 through the season. What he brought to that team doesn't up on a stat sheet.

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:14 pm ]
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I don't disagree. Lance Johnson rarely walked. And while he was fast he was not considered a great outfielder similar to Pods. Pods was universally hated by the stats guys. I remember Bernstein saying the White Sox would have still won in 2005, and likely would have been a better team if they had not traded for Pods.

I don't think it's as simple as only looking at stats.

Frank Coztansa wrote:
Well, Johnson hit over .300 in that 1993 season, and I think he had like 12 triples. His hitting alone would have shown up as a positive somewhere on an analytic sheet.

Pods is different, but anybody who watched any Sox games in the first part of 2005 knew what he meant to that lineup. If he got on base, it was as good as a run at least half the time as he would steal second, got to 3rd on an Iguchi bunt or ground ball, then get knocked in by Everett or Konerko. MANY times the Sox were up 1-0 three batters into the game. I think he had 4 steals in a game three or four times during the early part of the year. He was nearly unstoppable on the bases. He wasn't the same after hig leg injury about 2/3 through the season. What he brought to that team doesn't up on a stat sheet.

Author:  312player [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:30 pm ]
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Of all the pro-athletes I've met, he was probably the biggest asshole. And this was to a group of kids in the early 90s.



Never met Fisk eh

Author:  Hatchetman [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:50 pm ]
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I loved McDowell as a pitcher. As long as they don't rape anyone I could care less what their personality off the field is.

Author:  vitoscotti [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:26 pm ]
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This is getting better and better. Will there be new players who've been with multiple current cheating teams go into great detail like Jose Conseco did with steroids?

Author:  RFDC [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:51 pm ]
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Every team in baseball cheats or tries to cheat. The Astros just got caught

Author:  The Hawk [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:08 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Well, Johnson hit over .300 in that 1993 season, and I think he had like 12 triples. His hitting alone would have shown up as a positive somewhere on an analytic sheet.

Pods is different, but anybody who watched any Sox games in the first part of 2005 knew what he meant to that lineup. If he got on base, it was as good as a run at least half the time as he would steal second, got to 3rd on an Iguchi bunt or ground ball, then get knocked in by Everett or Konerko. MANY times the Sox were up 1-0 three batters into the game. I think he had 4 steals in a game three or four times during the early part of the year. He was nearly unstoppable on the bases. He wasn't the same after hig leg injury about 2/3 through the season. What he brought to that team doesn't up on a stat sheet.


I agree. I also think a very underrated player on that team was Uribe. Not flashy but a real pro and very good clutch player. How many championship teams did he end up playing one anyway? At least three, right?

Author:  The Hawk [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:10 pm ]
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Of all the pro-athletes I've met, he was probably the biggest asshole. And this was to a group of kids in the early 90s.


What did he do?

Author:  The Hawk [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:13 pm ]
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Alvarez was un-hittable going into the playoffs, and he was the stopper in the series. He won game three with a great performance. Bere got pulled early in game 4, and they won with trade deadline acquisition Tim Belcher in relief.

It would have been a PR mess to not start McDowell, but he was owned by the Blue Jays. Losing to Dave Stewart twice in good starts by Fernandez blew that series. If they had started Alvarez in Game 2 it would have been interesting. Also, playing Dan Pasqua was a pretty big mistake. Not that more Bo Jackson at bats would have made the difference.


Regular Reader wrote:
He should've used some of that pent up anger against the Jays in the ALCS when he got rocked. just like when Sattle rocked his ass two years later.

I still think that Bere & Alvarez should've been the games 1 & 2 starters. BlackJack was a horse yeah, but only ready for the glue factory by September of that year.


I really thought that Alvarez was a very good pitcher when he was on. When he was on, his stuff was very unhittable. His trouble was when he got behind and had to throw a fastball that they knew was coming.

Author:  The Hawk [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:14 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Fun Fact. Lance Johnson became the first player in MLB history to hit zero regular season home runs, then hit a postseason home run.

The second time it happened? Scott Podsednik, 2005.


ONE DOG!!! HE was a fun player to watch as was Pods.

Author:  The Hawk [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:16 pm ]
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312player wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Of all the pro-athletes I've met, he was probably the biggest asshole. And this was to a group of kids in the early 90s.



Never met Fisk eh


I did a couple of times at Cog Hill and he was okay but yeah, he has a bad reputation as a mean drunk.

Author:  Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:16 pm ]
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312player wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Of all the pro-athletes I've met, he was probably the biggest asshole. And this was to a group of kids in the early 90s.



Never met Fisk eh

Tom Seaver was quite a pill as well.

Oddly my MIL met Albert Bell at the Casino in Joliet and said he was very nice.

Author:  The Hawk [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:19 pm ]
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Hatchetman wrote:
I loved McDowell as a pitcher. As long as they don't rape anyone I could care less what their personality off the field is.


He was a good pitcher. Not great but certainly good. When he lost velocity on his fastball, he pretty much was meh.

Author:  Cheap Charlie [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:15 pm ]
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Regular Reader wrote:
He should've used some of that pent up anger against the Jays in the ALCS when he got rocked. just like when Sattle rocked his ass two years later.

I still think that Bere & Alvarez should've been the games 1 & 2 starters. BlackJack was a horse yeah, but only ready for the glue factory by September of that year.

When you right, you right.

:salut:

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