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Author:  Caller Bob [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:01 pm ]
Post subject:  It's the pitching and defense stupid!

I don't care how good your lineup is, you can't win shit with a sub standard rotation and the worse defense in baseball! Silly Subdivision!

Author:  HawaiiYou [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:10 pm ]
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this.

And as a baseball fan it really is insulting that the sox players and coaches don't seem to take this seriously. lazy throws, stupid errors, really bad to watch with all the expectations / hype for this team this year.

it's prime time fellas. no more excuses that the kids can play. time to live up to the hype or at least look like you give a shit to.

maybe it needs a new coach to drill this into their heads. seems like the current manager/coaches are too laissez-faire.

Author:  Nas [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:11 pm ]
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We've had the great pitching and shitty lineup. I'll take the pitching we have with this lineup.

Going on the road will allow the offense to give the starters a lead before they take the mound.

Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:27 pm ]
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It's 3 games against one of the best teams in the league.

Things will settle.

Win in Cleveland and then KC and everything is fine.

Author:  badrogue17 [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:29 pm ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
It's 3 games against one of the best teams in the league.

Things will settle.

Win in Cleveland and then KC and everything is fine.

Is their lineup as good as Minnesota's ??

Author:  Caller Bob [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:33 pm ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
It's 3 games against one of the best teams in the league.

Things will settle.

Win in Cleveland and then KC and everything is fine.

60 game season so technically it's been about 8 games.

Author:  HawaiiYou [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:36 pm ]
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badrogue17 wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
It's 3 games against one of the best teams in the league.

Things will settle.

Win in Cleveland and then KC and everything is fine.

Is their lineup as good as Minnesota's ??


Good question - not just Minn but rest of the league. Ya it looks great on paper but lets see how it pans out. Most of these guys are either young or new to the team. It takes some time to gel too. 60 games may be too short for that but at least it builds the foundation for next season.

Author:  Beardown [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:41 pm ]
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Twins are good. I'm not in a panic over losing the series to them.

Gotta go 15-5 against the Royals and Tigers.

5-5 against the Indians. You can go 4-6 against the Twins. Split the 20 games against the national league central.

And that will probably be good enough to be the 8th seed in the playoffs.

Author:  conns7901 [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:51 pm ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
It's 3 games against one of the best teams in the league.

Things will settle.

Win in Cleveland and then KC and everything is fine.


Expanded playoffs and the schedule means it will take colossal fuck up not to make it. Two of the teams are are not even trying and just a matter of beating Twins or Indians. Plus they will still likely end up with a 7 or 8 even if they do not pass those two in standings.

Author:  Chet Coppock's Fur Coat [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:57 pm ]
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Mariners, Royals, Tigers, and Orioles have no chance. So 8 out of the 11 remaining teams make it. The Angels and Rangers are at a decided disadvantage because their schedules are harder and both had worse pitching trouble than the White Sox today (Otani got pulled after letting six straight guys on base with no outs, Kluber left after an inning).

So that means the White Sox are basically playing the Buffalo Blue Jays for the 8th playoff spot.

Author:  billypootons [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:26 pm ]
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On pace for 20-40 and 5% of the season already over!!!!

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:30 pm ]
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Caller Bob wrote:
I don't care how good your lineup is, you can't win shit with a sub standard rotation and the worse defense in baseball! Silly Subdivision!


They are better than the Cubs in all three phases. Thanks for the obsession though.

Author:  The Hawk [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:42 pm ]
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HawaiiYou wrote:
this.

And as a baseball fan it really is insulting that the sox players and coaches don't seem to take this seriously. lazy throws, stupid errors, really bad to watch with all the expectations / hype for this team this year.

it's prime time fellas. no more excuses that the kids can play. time to live up to the hype or at least look like you give a shit to.

maybe it needs a new coach to drill this into their heads. seems like the current manager/coaches are too laissez-faire.


I find all of this shit very funny. They are one game behind and three games have been played in a season which is beset with weird shit all around. "No more excuses"? What "excuses"? How about they played three games against a very good loaded team which is favored in the division and got beat in two of the games.

Now you and others are talking about a "laissez-faire" manager and coaches and to fire the guys that they have, eh? Funny shit. Here we had a pitcher who was ouchy when he took the mound and got rocked. They had a left fielder who got concussed going back on a home-run and they got the shit kicked out of them. Big deal. The Twins are definitely the team to beat in the AL as far as I am concerned but the Sox have a good chance also. Lopez should have told them that something was wrong and that is on him. I saw that very early on in how short his stride was on his fastball and how open he was. that was the reason why his pitches tailed so much and why his velocity was down from normal.

Author:  Beardown [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:00 pm ]
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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Mariners, Royals, Tigers, and Orioles have no chance. So 8 out of the 11 remaining teams make it. The Angels and Rangers are at a decided disadvantage because their schedules are harder and both had worse pitching trouble than the White Sox today (Otani got pulled after letting six straight guys on base with no outs, Kluber left after an inning).

So that means the White Sox are basically playing the Buffalo Blue Jays for the 8th playoff spot.


Yeah. You nailed it.

If they don't make the 8th seed it's a huge disappointment.

Sox pitching is shitty at the back end of the rotation. But I expect the offense to win a few 8-7 games to make up for it.

Although I think Cease might be a good pitcher. Maybe. So then put Lopez in the bullpen and replace him with Gio. Lopez might be a guy that can get you an out or two in the pen.

Author:  Phil Leotardo [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:56 pm ]
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Goalposts moving for sox fans. From 35 wins to the eight seed. Sad!

Author:  Caller Bob [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:57 pm ]
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
I don't care how good your lineup is, you can't win shit with a sub standard rotation and the worse defense in baseball! Silly Subdivision!


They are better than the Cubs in all three phases. Thanks for the obsession though.


Laughable. Sux have a bottom 5 rotation in MLB.

Author:  The Hawk [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:01 pm ]
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Phil Leotardo wrote:
Goalposts moving for sox fans. From 35 wins to the eight seed. Sad!


Nah. Only a few pessimists. The Sox are going to go 36-24. The key is getting their pitching figured out when the play-offs start. Their line-up cannot be stopped over 60 games.

Author:  Nardi [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:05 pm ]
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I want McCann catching Giolito and Cease. Puddin' head can catch the vets.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:35 am ]
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
I don't care how good your lineup is, you can't win shit with a sub standard rotation and the worse defense in baseball! Silly Subdivision!


They are better than the Cubs in all three phases. Thanks for the obsession though.

Never really thought about defense in terms of Cubs vs. Sox. Not sure Sox are better there.

Author:  GoldenJet [ Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:49 am ]
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There's always next year...

Author:  Caller Bob [ Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:20 am ]
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Abrea, Garcia and Anderson are all the worst at the position defensively in the game. Eloy is also one of the worst defensive outfielders in baseball.

Author:  tommy [ Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:27 am ]
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Caller Bob wrote:
Abrea, Garcia and Anderson are all the worst at the position defensively in the game. Eloy is also one of the worst defensive outfielders in baseball.

He's got Sox on the brain, boys. I can't blame him!

Author:  Caller Bob [ Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:30 am ]
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tommy wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Abrea, Garcia and Anderson are all the worst at the position defensively in the game. Eloy is also one of the worst defensive outfielders in baseball.

He's got Sox on the brain, boys. I can't blame him!


Normally, I just worry about the Cubs, but with a baseball season just shy of 40% of the traditional schedule there will be a void so to make it up:

70% Cubs talk
20% Subdivision Trolling
20% General Shit-Posting.

Author:  Kirkwood [ Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:34 am ]
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Nardi wrote:
I want McCann catching Giolito and Cease. Puddin' head can catch the vets.

$73M for part-time catcher? i despise this trend of pitchers needing their own guy

Author:  good dolphin [ Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:36 am ]
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billypootons wrote:
On pace for 20-40 and 5% of the season already over!!!!


top 10 draft pick!

Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:59 pm ]
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Tell us some more about it being the pitching and defense Bobby boy

Author:  HawaiiYou [ Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:20 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Tell us some more about it being the pitching and defense Bobby boy



the problem still is there. they got out of it tonight but what's going to happen in the future. its a bad habit they need to break or get someone in there that will stress pitching and defense.

Author:  The Hawk [ Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:41 pm ]
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badrogue17 wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
It's 3 games against one of the best teams in the league.

Things will settle.

Win in Cleveland and then KC and everything is fine.

Is their lineup as good as Minnesota's ??


Its hard to tell right now. The Twins have more veteran hitters and these guys are good. They may be a bit better at this point in time but next year their guys will mostly be on the later stages of their careers while the majority of the Sox guys are pretty young.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:08 pm ]
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Caller Bob wrote:
I don't care how good your lineup is, you can't win shit with a sub standard rotation and the worse defense in baseball! Silly Subdivision!
Most defensive runs saved in baseball.

SP's are on the season are 12-8
Last six games; 39.1 innnings, 7 ER, 18 hits 45K, 11BB

You and Phil will eat shit into October and beyond :D

Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:10 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
I don't care how good your lineup is, you can't win shit with a sub standard rotation and the worse defense in baseball! Silly Subdivision!
Most defensive runs saved in baseball.

SP's are on the season are 12-8
Last six games; 39.1 innnings, 7 ER, 18 hits 45K, 11BB

You and Phil will eat shit into October and beyond :D

RIP Bob

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