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| Author: | Phil Leotardo [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
Through first 107 games. HR Tatis 33 Trout 18 AVG Tatis .315 Trout .314 RBI Tatis 80. Trout 61 OPS Tatis 1,000 Trout.894 In Hahn we trust! |
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| Author: | IMU [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
Yes, Tatis is a Top 5 player and will be for awhile. But Hahn is still a great GM and has positioned the White Sox extremely well for the next 5 years. |
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| Author: | DAC [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
Here's a Cubs fan acting like a Sox fan. |
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| Author: | Cashman [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
IMU wrote: Yes, Tatis is a Top 5 player and will be for awhile. But Hahn is still a great GM and has positioned the White Sox extremely well for the next 5 years. Great, I am not sure that is the word. I think to be great you either win a WS title or are in the hunt for something like 3-7 year. He has done a pretty good job at identifying top 10 picks(with some misses), and Cuban talent. I think this trade highlights their internal scouting problem. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
Great work by the scouting department. Bad work by Kenny Williams. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
Cashman wrote: IMU wrote: Yes, Tatis is a Top 5 player and will be for awhile. But Hahn is still a great GM and has positioned the White Sox extremely well for the next 5 years. Great, I am not sure that is the word. I think to be great you either win a WS title or are in the hunt for something like 3-7 year. He has done a pretty good job at identifying top 10 picks(with some misses), and Cuban talent. I think this trade highlights their internal scouting problem. The White Sox will be "in the hunt for something like 3-7 years." And it may include a World Series. The White Sox are in Year 1 when it comes to being on the better side of a rebuild. And it will be a weird Year 1. I cannot expect Rick Hahn to have already won a World Series given where the team was when he started. But when looking at the White Sox now and comparing the team to the 2014/2015 Cubs and Astros...they match up extremely favorably. The Padres and Blue Jays rebuilt during the same time frame as the White Sox and you can't really say either of those teams did it better (or worse.) However, those 3 teams have all rebuilt better than the Rangers or Braves did. |
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| Author: | HawaiiYou [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
they fleeced Eloy from the Cubs so it's even. |
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| Author: | Phil Leotardo [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
HawaiiYou wrote: they fleeced Eloy from the Cubs so it's even. Putting Eloy and Tatis in the same sentence is idiotic. |
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| Author: | The Hawk [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
Cashman wrote: IMU wrote: Yes, Tatis is a Top 5 player and will be for awhile. But Hahn is still a great GM and has positioned the White Sox extremely well for the next 5 years. Great, I am not sure that is the word. I think to be great you either win a WS title or are in the hunt for something like 3-7 year. He has done a pretty good job at identifying top 10 picks(with some misses), and Cuban talent. I think this trade highlights their internal scouting problem. Why do you say scouting problems? That's not on scouting. That is on making a bad decision on a prospect. Scouting prospects is very difficult because it still is a crapshoot no matter how good you are. The hard part is PROJECTING what a kid will become 3-4 years down the road. It is easier with pitchers other than the possibility of injuries and to some extent mental make-up. |
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| Author: | The Hawk [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
Cashman wrote: IMU wrote: Yes, Tatis is a Top 5 player and will be for awhile. But Hahn is still a great GM and has positioned the White Sox extremely well for the next 5 years. Great, I am not sure that is the word. I think to be great you either win a WS title or are in the hunt for something like 3-7 year. He has done a pretty good job at identifying top 10 picks(with some misses), and Cuban talent. I think this trade highlights their internal scouting problem. Why do you say scouting problems? That's not on scouting. That is on making a bad decision on a prospect. Scouting prospects is very difficult because it still is a crapshoot no matter how good you are. The hard part is PROJECTING what a kid will become 3-4 years down the road. It is easier with pitchers other than the possibility of injuries and to some extent mental make-up. |
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| Author: | The Hawk [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
Phil Leotardo wrote: HawaiiYou wrote: they fleeced Eloy from the Cubs so it's even. Putting Eloy and Tatis in the same sentence is idiotic. And why is that, pray tell? Eloy can conceivably lead the league in home runs and other power numbers for years to come. I also laughed at your comparison of anyone with Trout and projecting that player as being better than Trout. Only a very ignorant buffoon of a Cub fan would suggest that. Trout has been the best major league player for a bunch of years now. What he did early on doesn't mean shit. YOu cannot tell whether or not a young player will thrive and have great longevity. All you can do is look at their skill set and guess. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
The Eloy o meter is going off like gangbusters, so phil starts this asinine thread? Hopefully he kills himself soon. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
Frank Coztansa wrote: The Eloy o meter is going off like gangbusters, so phil starts this asinine thread? Hopefully he kills himself soon. Phil knows what he's doing. He knows Tatis will never fail to get under our skin. Only a championship will change that. Still remember that trade like it was yesterday. The media, led by Levine, gave it the thumbs up. I didn't want Shields even if we got him for NOTHING. Feel the same about Encarnacion. Didn't want him. Didn't care if he somehow got paid the minimum. He takes up space in a rebuilding year. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
Nardi wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: The Eloy o meter is going off like gangbusters, so phil starts this asinine thread? Hopefully he kills himself soon. Phil knows what he's doing. He knows Tatis will never fail to get under our skin. Only a championship will change that. Still remember that trade like it was yesterday. The media, led by Levine, gave it the thumbs up. I didn't want Shields even if we got him for NOTHING. Feel the same about Encarnacion. Didn't want him. Didn't care if he somehow got paid the minimum. He takes up space in a rebuilding year. Yep. It was giving up a lottery ticket for a bad veteran, and after they had already started their downward slide that season. It was another instance of Kenny chasing a failed dream. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
The Sux would have ruined him. |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
Where's my DJ Lemahieu thread for Cubs fans? |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
Caller Bob wrote: The Sux would have ruined him. Unruinable. The good thing is Hahn went out and replaced him. Robert. Also unruinable. And more handsome. |
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| Author: | Phil Leotardo [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
KDdidit wrote: Where's my DJ Lemahieu thread for Cubs fans? Brilliant thought. You must think oscar meyer hot dogs are as good as a porterhouse steak. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
There are queers here that will actually argue a burger is better than a steak. Dead serious. |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
Phil Leotardo wrote: KDdidit wrote: Where's my DJ Lemahieu thread for Cubs fans? Brilliant thought. You must think oscar meyer hot dogs are as good as a porterhouse steak. Sorry, I'm a Cub fan who has better things to do than post brilliantly stupid shit about the Sox. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
Caller Bob wrote: There are queers here that will actually argue a burger is better than a steak. Dead serious. I don't doubt it. Icky cow blood turns queers off. But not SHIT! Shit, they love. |
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| Author: | Ron Wolfley [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
IMU wrote: But Hahn is still a great GM and has positioned the White Sox extremely well for the next 5 years. After a great April, the Sox quickly came back to life in May and were a mediocre ball club for the remainder of the '16 season. The day Hahn traded Tatis for Shields, the Sox had lost 17 of their last 23 games. Six months later he finally decides to start a rebuild -- trading Sale and Eaton. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
Nardi wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: The Eloy o meter is going off like gangbusters, so phil starts this asinine thread? Hopefully he kills himself soon. Phil knows what he's doing. He knows Tatis will never fail to get under our skin. Only a championship will change that. Still remember that trade like it was yesterday. The media, led by Levine, gave it the thumbs up. I didn't want Shields even if we got him for NOTHING. Feel the same about Encarnacion. Didn't want him. Didn't care if he somehow got paid the minimum. He takes up space in a rebuilding year. It is really hard to project what a late round 19 year old kid will be. It was more luck than skill for he Padres. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
Ron Wolfley wrote: IMU wrote: But Hahn is still a great GM and has positioned the White Sox extremely well for the next 5 years. After a great April, the Sox quickly came back to life in May and were a mediocre ball club for the remainder of the '16 season. The day Hahn traded Tatis for Shields, the Sox had lost 17 of their last 23 games. Six months later he finally decides to start a rebuild -- trading Sale and Eaton. Kenny's final move was Shields. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
Nas wrote: Nardi wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: The Eloy o meter is going off like gangbusters, so phil starts this asinine thread? Hopefully he kills himself soon. Phil knows what he's doing. He knows Tatis will never fail to get under our skin. Only a championship will change that. Still remember that trade like it was yesterday. The media, led by Levine, gave it the thumbs up. I didn't want Shields even if we got him for NOTHING. Feel the same about Encarnacion. Didn't want him. Didn't care if he somehow got paid the minimum. He takes up space in a rebuilding year. It is really hard to project what a late round 19 year old kid will be. It was more luck than skill for he Padres. Actually, he was 17 when signed. So there was time to evaluate. SD evaluated. But that wasn't really my point. All you need is a pair of eyes. All you needed was a pair of eyes with Fulmer and also Burger. Obviously, Hahn has cleaned things up. I smell Kenny in the Encarnacion signing. What was the point of that? We have DH's falling out of our asses. |
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| Author: | MartyD47 [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
Trade should have been voided because Preller gave the Sox phony medical records on Shields. Because the Padres were under new ownership as a favor to Selig, Reinsdorf didn't press the issue. Nobody in the industry blames Hahn or Williams for this, everyone is united in their hatred for Preller though. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
MartyD47 wrote: Trade should have been voided because Preller gave the Sox phony medical records on Shields. Because the Padres were under new ownership as a favor to Selig, Reinsdorf didn't press the issue. Nobody in the industry blames Hahn or Williams for this, everyone is united in their hatred for Preller though. You didn't need a medical report to know Shields was shit 
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
Caller Bob wrote: MartyD47 wrote: Trade should have been voided because Preller gave the Sox phony medical records on Shields. Because the Padres were under new ownership as a favor to Selig, Reinsdorf didn't press the issue. Nobody in the industry blames Hahn or Williams for this, everyone is united in their hatred for Preller though. You didn't need a medical report to know Shields was shit No all you had to do was watch games. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
Caller Bob wrote: MartyD47 wrote: Trade should have been voided because Preller gave the Sox phony medical records on Shields. Because the Padres were under new ownership as a favor to Selig, Reinsdorf didn't press the issue. Nobody in the industry blames Hahn or Williams for this, everyone is united in their hatred for Preller though. You didn't need a medical report to know Shields was shit Yeah, that might be the worst sports thought in the history of this board. |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The official Fernando Tatis thread for sox fans |
This was the Sox line up for Shields' first game that Kenny thought was going to compete for the playoffs 1 Adam Eaton RF 2 Austin Jackson CF 3 Jose Abreu 1B 4 Todd Frazier 3B 5 Melky Cabrera LF 6 Jimmy Rollins SS 7 Brett Lawrie 2B 8 Alex Avila C 9 Avisail Garcia DH |
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