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Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Carlos Rodon's 2021 bounce back

I'm calling it now. For the first time in years it looks like he is fully healthy. He's not going to be an ace or a Cy Young winner, but he is going to come into the 5th starter role and be to the 2021 Sox what Jon Garland was to the 2005 Sox.

Author:  denisdman [ Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:17 pm ]
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I am not trolling here. I doubt he makes it through a full season healthy. And if he is healthy, then I doubt pitches well enough to remain in the rotation. Regardless, anything he gives a loaded Sox team is gravy.

I am jealous.

Author:  This Ends in Antioch [ Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:50 pm ]
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I didn’t get the angst when they re-signed him.

He’s effective when healthy. As long as you don’t need him in an important role, I don’t really see a downside to having him on the roster.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:05 pm ]
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The only thing you can count on Rodon for is frustration. I don't think he will ever amount to anything as a player in the big leagues again. Total bust.

Id love to be wrong, but I just don't see it.

Author:  Warren Newson [ Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:27 pm ]
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
I didn’t get the angst when they re-signed him.

He’s effective when healthy. As long as you don’t need him in an important role, I don’t really see a downside to having him on the roster.


If it's a choice between him and Lopez for the fifth starter role, fine. If he's in the bullpen that's when I get worried. He'll be sitting out there and they'll feel compelled to use him, regardless of whether or not he's been effective. If he doesn't work out as a fifth starter, they better send him down or cut him, not move him to the bullpen.

Author:  This Ends in Antioch [ Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:29 pm ]
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Warren Newson wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
I didn’t get the angst when they re-signed him.

He’s effective when healthy. As long as you don’t need him in an important role, I don’t really see a downside to having him on the roster.


If it's a choice between him and Lopez for the fifth starter role, fine. If he's in the bullpen that's when I get worried. He'll be sitting out there and they'll feel compelled to use him, regardless of whether or not he's been effective. If he doesn't work out as a fifth starter, they better send him down or cut him, not move him to the bullpen.

I think if he’s in the bullpen he’ll be a garbage time innings eater.

Author:  Warren Newson [ Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:35 pm ]
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
I didn’t get the angst when they re-signed him.

He’s effective when healthy. As long as you don’t need him in an important role, I don’t really see a downside to having him on the roster.


If it's a choice between him and Lopez for the fifth starter role, fine. If he's in the bullpen that's when I get worried. He'll be sitting out there and they'll feel compelled to use him, regardless of whether or not he's been effective. If he doesn't work out as a fifth starter, they better send him down or cut him, not move him to the bullpen.

I think if he’s in the bullpen he’ll be a garbage time innings eater.


He wasn't used that way last year.

Author:  This Ends in Antioch [ Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:50 pm ]
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Warren Newson wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
I didn’t get the angst when they re-signed him.

He’s effective when healthy. As long as you don’t need him in an important role, I don’t really see a downside to having him on the roster.


If it's a choice between him and Lopez for the fifth starter role, fine. If he's in the bullpen that's when I get worried. He'll be sitting out there and they'll feel compelled to use him, regardless of whether or not he's been effective. If he doesn't work out as a fifth starter, they better send him down or cut him, not move him to the bullpen.

I think if he’s in the bullpen he’ll be a garbage time innings eater.


He wasn't used that way last year.

A million issues with using last year as a comp, but the elephant in the room is the irresponsibly stupid manager that’ll no longer be in the dugout.

Author:  Tall Midget [ Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:43 pm ]
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Rodon-stud-World Series!

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:47 pm ]
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I think people will be pleasantly surprised by his performance as a #5. He won't wow anyone, but he'll get the job done and be a contributing factor towards the team's success. I think people forget he was actually decent when he wasn't pitching hurt.

If he gets injured, this all goes out the window, but if healthy, he'll surprise many.

Author:  Chet Coppock's Fur Coat [ Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:49 pm ]
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Warren Newson wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
I didn’t get the angst when they re-signed him.

He’s effective when healthy. As long as you don’t need him in an important role, I don’t really see a downside to having him on the roster.


If it's a choice between him and Lopez for the fifth starter role, fine. If he's in the bullpen that's when I get worried. He'll be sitting out there and they'll feel compelled to use him, regardless of whether or not he's been effective. If he doesn't work out as a fifth starter, they better send him down or cut him, not move him to the bullpen.

I think if he’s in the bullpen he’ll be a garbage time innings eater.


He wasn't used that way last year.

LaRussa isn't Renteria.

They are going to need a lot of pitchers this year as young pitchers get used to the ramp up back to 162 games. Rodon or Lopez need to be able to come into a 9-2 game once a week and give them the 6th-9th innings without making a mess of it.

Author:  HawaiiYou [ Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:34 pm ]
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maybe he'll have a career year

Author:  good dolphin [ Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:48 am ]
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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
I think people will be pleasantly surprised by his performance as a #5. He won't wow anyone, but he'll get the job done and be a contributing factor towards the team's success. I think people forget he was actually decent when he wasn't pitching hurt.

If he gets injured, this all goes out the window, but if healthy, he'll surprise many.


He's been injured all the way back to college. I don't see how you can make a but for argument with his injuries as they are entirely part of his character by now. The injuries are permanent as well so he'll never be fully healthy. I agree he has had stretches of excellence.

I hope he can fill a 5th starter role, giving them 20-25 starts.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:36 am ]
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good dolphin wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
I think people will be pleasantly surprised by his performance as a #5. He won't wow anyone, but he'll get the job done and be a contributing factor towards the team's success. I think people forget he was actually decent when he wasn't pitching hurt.

If he gets injured, this all goes out the window, but if healthy, he'll surprise many.
He's been injured all the way back to college. I don't see how you can make a but for argument with his injuries as they are entirely part of his character by now. The injuries are permanent as well so he'll never be fully healthy. I agree he has had stretches of excellence.

I hope he can fill a 5th starter role, giving them 20-25 starts.
His last stretch of "excellence" would have been July-August of 2018, where he went 6-0 with a ERA under 2. In September 2018, he was 0-2 with a 9+ ERA. Since then, he has thrown a total of of 69 big league innings, as you alluded to with the injury history.

I would take the under on 20-25 starts for the rest of his career, let alone this season.

I'll give Lopez a small benefit of the doubt as he is younger and it appears to be more mental than physical with him. Rodon is toast at this point.

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:49 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
I think people will be pleasantly surprised by his performance as a #5. He won't wow anyone, but he'll get the job done and be a contributing factor towards the team's success. I think people forget he was actually decent when he wasn't pitching hurt.

If he gets injured, this all goes out the window, but if healthy, he'll surprise many.
He's been injured all the way back to college. I don't see how you can make a but for argument with his injuries as they are entirely part of his character by now. The injuries are permanent as well so he'll never be fully healthy. I agree he has had stretches of excellence.

I hope he can fill a 5th starter role, giving them 20-25 starts.
His last stretch of "excellence" would have been July-August of 2018, where he went 6-0 with a ERA under 2. In September 2018, he was 0-2 with a 9+ ERA. Since then, he has thrown a total of of 69 big league innings, as you alluded to with the injury history.

I would take the under on 20-25 starts for the rest of his career, let alone this season.

I'll give Lopez a small benefit of the doubt as he is younger and it appears to be more mental than physical with him. Rodon is toast at this point.

I think we forget that while Rodon was never an ace, he was a very serviceable starter before the back-to-back injuries. His worst season pre-2019 saw him with an ERA of 4.18. He always had a positive WAR as well. He's not a top of the rotation guy, but as a #5, I'll gladly take him. He'll be a guy who make sure the 5th spot isn't an automatic loss and can give them a chance to win if the bats don't go silent. All we need to do is get him to August as by August I suspect we'll have a stretched out Kopech entering the rotation.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:56 am ]
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I won't be rooting against Rodon or anybody on the mound wearing a White Sox uniform. Fuck, I wanted Chris Volstad to succeed even on a terrible Sox team.

Rodon may have had a lot of ability, but the greatest ability is availability and he hasn't had that for years now. As I said earlier in this thread, I'd love to be wrong, but I think he's toast at this point.

Author:  Chet Coppock's Fur Coat [ Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:55 pm ]
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If on Opening Day, they are up 9-1 after six, who do you want to pitch the last three innings?

I don't want to waste Giolito there. Let Rodon give up 4 runs in 3 innings and get the save.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:34 pm ]
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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
If on Opening Day, they are up 9-1 after six, who do you want to pitch the last three innings?
Whoever can keep it a 9-1 game, or a 9-2 game at worst.

Rodon isn't that guy.

Author:  Bagels [ Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:25 pm ]
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surprised this wasn't a good dolphin thread

Author:  Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:15 pm ]
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Rodon scratched tonight.

Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:42 pm ]
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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Rodon scratched tonight.


Goddammit

Author:  Tall Midget [ Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:03 pm ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Rodon scratched tonight.


Goddammit


Purportedly a tummy ache.

In White Sox parlance, that probably means he has end stage colon cancer.

Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:27 pm ]
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:(

'Tis true.

Author:  This Ends in Antioch [ Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:29 pm ]
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It was Ozzie who opened my eyes to ‘flu-like symptoms = hangover.’

Author:  Nardi [ Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:24 pm ]
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Rodon starts tomorrow

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:53 pm ]
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Ok. Im sold.

Author:  thomas [ Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:53 pm ]
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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
I'm calling it now. For the first time in years it looks like he is fully healthy. He's not going to be an ace or a Cy Young winner, but he is going to come into the 5th starter role and be to the 2021 Sox what Jon Garland was to the 2005 Sox.

Good call!!!

Author:  Tall Midget [ Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:03 pm ]
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Ogie must now be regarded as Baseball Nostradamus.

I will trust him with all important matters in life moving forward.

Where should I invest my life savings, Ogie?

Author:  Nardi [ Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:29 pm ]
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Easy there, boys, this has never been about the talent. This is about holding up for a length of time to display that talent. And THAT hasn't changed.

Author:  thomas [ Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:00 pm ]
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Nardi wrote:
Easy there, boys, this has never been about the talent. This is about holding up for a length of time to display that talent. And THAT hasn't changed.

For Ogie or Rodon?

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