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| Author: | torch! [ Sun Jun 24, 2007 4:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Boston and Buehrle |
Boston media is talking like Buehrle to the Red Sox is pretty much a done deal |
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| Author: | mr_gimp [ Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:54 pm ] |
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I read that too. I hope KW rapes their farm system. Although, wouldn't it make more sense to wait until the trading deadline? Maybe there would be a bidding war between Boston and the Yankees |
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| Author: | Irish Boy [ Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:58 pm ] |
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Hopefully it'll develop into a full-out shooting war, too. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:58 pm ] |
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Yeah, but I've heard the Yankees don't have what Boston has anyway. As far as prospects. So Boston's probably throwing their best at the Sox right now. Kenny knows that the Yankees best can't beat Boston's best anyway. So might as well do it now if you can. |
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| Author: | Mustang Rob [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boston and Buehrle |
torch! wrote: Boston media is talking like Buehrle to the Red Sox is pretty much a done deal
Than it must be so. Boston media is known for their restraint when it comes to the Sox 
Theo is too smart to give away top prospects for a rent a player. If Buehrle insists on testing free agency KW will get a nice player or two but no studs. |
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| Author: | mr_gimp [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:45 am ] |
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not true, I heard they have a five year deal already in place. So if a deal is made, I would expect top-notch prospects. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boston and Buehrle |
Mustang Rob wrote: torch! wrote: Boston media is talking like Buehrle to the Red Sox is pretty much a done deal Than it must be so. Boston media is known for their restraint when it comes to the Sox Theo is too smart to give away top prospects for a rent a player. If Buehrle insists on testing free agency KW will get a nice player or two but no studs. Yet not smart enough to sign JD Drew to a big contract...twice. |
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| Author: | Mustang Rob [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boston and Buehrle |
good dolphin wrote: Mustang Rob wrote: torch! wrote: Boston media is talking like Buehrle to the Red Sox is pretty much a done deal Than it must be so. Boston media is known for their restraint when it comes to the Sox Theo is too smart to give away top prospects for a rent a player. If Buehrle insists on testing free agency KW will get a nice player or two but no studs. Yet not smart enough to sign JD Drew to a big contract...twice. It's all part of a long term plan to build up goodwill with Scott Boras. Anyway, not even a great GM can fight off dumb ownership. 
The only way they get the studs is if Schilling is more hurt than we know, and Buehrle signs an extension. My guess is that, based on a drop of 10 mph on his fastball, Schilling is heading for surgery. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:46 am ] |
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Quote: Theo is too smart to give away top prospects for a rent a player.
Is that because of the Freddy Sanchez and Mike Gonzalez for Jeff Suppan, Brandon Lyon and Anastacio Martinez debacle?? If that was meant in jest I apologi. |
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| Author: | Mustang Rob [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:59 am ] |
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Keyser Soze wrote: Quote: Theo is too smart to give away top prospects for a rent a player. Is that because of the Freddy Sanchez and Mike Gonzalez for Jeff Suppan, Brandon Lyon and Anastacio Martinez debacle?? If that was meant in jest I apologi. That wasn't a good one  , but I still think he's way up based on the:
Curt Schilling for Casey Fossum, Brandon Lyon, Jorge de la Rosa and Michael Goss trade & the Ortiz signing. And I almost forgot the trade that won the WS - Nomaah to the Cubs. |
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| Author: | Mustang Rob [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:56 am ] |
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Nas wrote: At least Buehrle will still be with the Sox
Yeah, I'm sure the headline writers can't wait to run with: "Buehrle changing Sox" |
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:27 pm ] |
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From [url]overthemonster.com[/url] Buehrle to Boston? By now at least, you've heard about this rumor. In fact, you've probably heard it much earlier. Rotoworld lists Buchholz, Bowden, Ellsbury, and Lowrie as players the White Sox are looking at. In other news, if we trade Mike Lowell to say, the Brewers (not that they need him, but bear with me), I'd like one or more of Ryan Braun, Yovani Gallardo, and Corey Hart. What do I mean? I mean a 3-month rental of a Mark Buerhle isn't worth any of the prospects listed, except maybe Lowrie, since there's really no place for him in Boston unless his arm is strong enough for 3B. Also, of course the White Sox would like those players. Most teams in baseball would want those players if they were trading with the Sox. The White Sox have a number of young pitchers, so at least Buchholz could safely be taken off the table he was never on without putting off Kenny Williams (assuming we would want this guy anyway). Ellsbury makes a ton of sense for the White Sox and makes zero sense for us to give up. If they're actually discussing this, I'm sure Theo is leaning towards letting one of Bowden or Lowrie go, though I doubt he's tipping his hand in either direction. Personally, I think it's all BS in the end. Every dubious source I've seen says the Sox are prepared to offer a 5-year extension. Since when do the Sox give out 5-year contracts to pitchers? Did I fall asleep for the last 4 years? Most of these sources seem to think that Boston is willing to deal any of the four listed prospects. I'm sure Bowden/Lowrie will be available at the deadline for the right player(s), though the other two would have to be parts of a deal that would bring Miguel Cabrera to Boston. Do we want Mark Buehrle? He's been good this season, with a 1.054 WHIP leading to a 134 ERA+ (this would rank him 2nd on the Sox behind Josh Beckett). He also just turned 28. Against: His BABIP is a pretty low .252. If/when this corrects himself, he probably reverts to just above LAIM status. His FIP (fielding independent pitching) is 4.37, which would actually put him below Matsuzaka, Tavarez and Schilling in addition to Beckett on the Boston staff. Relying on your defense isn't entirely a bad thing, but for most of this season he had Joe Crede-Juan Uribe as the left side of his infield. Despite Lugo's range, I'm not sure he and Lowell (circa 2007) stack up. Going by that same number (FIP), some pitchers who would be better trade targets than Buehrle: Jose Contreras (4.81 ERA!), Miguel Batista (Toronto castoff, 4.99 ERA!), Jarrod Washburn (enjoy the contract Seattle!), Paul Byrd (I don't walk anyone, but damn am I hittable). Are any of those four individuals worth what the White Sox will ask for Buehrle? Mileage: Buehrle is 28, but his arm has already thrown somewhere in the neighborhood of 4,569,456,781 innings. ...this is a lot. (Estimate may be off by 3-4 innings) For: ...nothing. No offense to Buehrle, and as long as Ellsbury and Buchholz stay here, I won't storm the front office in anger if we acquire him, but I don't really want him. Kenny Williams is going to ask for just a little more than we should give up. On either SI.com's rumor site or MLBTR, there was a poster who said that if KW gets Ellsbury for Buehrle, he should be named Executive of the Year right now. ...damn straight. Look, I'm aware that we don't need ALL the good prospects we have, and the ones (especially whom are blocked) that are playing well this season probably best serve us in a deal for pitching down the stretch and in the playoffs. Anyway...your thoughts? Think we need Buehrle at any cost? Think Bowden + Lowrie is a lot, but fair if we can reach an agreement on a reasonable extension first? Got a trade proposal for ANOTHER pitcher involving our expendable prospects? (Lowrie, Murphy, Moss, Bowden-maybe) |
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| Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:33 am ] |
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If Buerhle has to be dealt (and I hope he doesn't), then this is the best scenerio I have heard thusfar. I am under the impression that our team is at least 2 years away from being a contender again, so I would understand why prospects are the way to go for this season. |
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:13 am ] |
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I heard this morning that the White Sox are having a change of heart and are talking long term deal with Mark. Maybe the market wasn't as big as they thought for him or the bidding prices were not as impressive. |
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| Author: | Minnesota Fats [ Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:30 am ] |
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Kenny Williams tells people with microphone in hand too much. After Sunday's game he says something to the effect of "I'm tired of watching this, some moves need to be made." Now today they are talking long term deal for #56. Kenny, do you have a game plan or not. One day trade, the next day long term deal. Best to keep your thoughts to yourself because you are coming off as confused. |
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| Author: | Mustang Rob [ Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:43 am ] |
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Minnesota Fats wrote: Kenny Williams tells people with microphone in hand too much. After Sunday's game he says something to the effect of "I'm tired of watching this, some moves need to be made." Now today they are talking long term deal for #56.
Kenny, do you have a game plan or not. One day trade, the next day long term deal. Best to keep your thoughts to yourself because you are coming off as confused. If he's not getting the value he believes Buehrle to be worth, and Mark is willing to negotiate, than what's the harm in keeping both avenues open. I hope he signs Buehrle and trades Contreras if that's what it takes for the Mets to move one of the prize prospects. |
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