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Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Sun May 29, 2022 10:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Realistic Expectations 2022 |
84 wins, and that might even be too optimistic. Maybe that's good enough to grab a wild card, but they certainly won't be playing past the wild card/division round. The bar for 2022 success is set at winning the Pennant. This team will fall woefully short of that. Please, blow my mind and prove me wrong. I just don't see anything better than 2nd place and barely slightly above .500 You? |
Author: | Warren Newson [ Sun May 29, 2022 10:34 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
I'm not going to get hung up on their record, and will instead see how they're playing come playoff time. Last year, they were playing their best ball around now, and mediocre ball around playoff time. If they can reverse that trend, things might be different this year. I have the MLB.tv app and watch random games here and there. From this far from scientific survey, the only team that appears to be hitting is the Yankees. Therefore, I'm also not going to get hung up on their lack of offense, that appears to be the norm this year. |
Author: | HawaiiYou [ Sun May 29, 2022 10:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
When they get most of their guys back from injuries, they'll go on some ridiculous run in August/September like 20-5. I've seen it before w talented teams like this when they suffer injuries early in the season. |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Sun May 29, 2022 10:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
Warren Newson wrote: I'm not going to get hung up on their record, and will instead see how they're playing come playoff time. Last year, they were playing their best ball around now, and mediocre ball around playoff time. If they can reverse that trend, things might be different this year Ah, playoffs!? You kiddin me?! They lost the last game of the year on Sunday last season, but rattled off 7 in a row before that. Id say that's pretty good ball. |
Author: | Chet Coppock's Fur Coat [ Sun May 29, 2022 10:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
Garcia, Mendick, Harrison, McGwire, Sheets vs. Simmons, Villar, Morel, Higgins, Rivas The bottom of the White Sox lineup and bench is just bad. And there are not enough prospects in the minors to improve it via trade or from getting guys off the IL. |
Author: | Cashman [ Sun May 29, 2022 11:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
I honestly thought they would be somewhere between 84-88 wins. I thought the Twins and the Tigers would be a 3 way battle for the division. At this point, this team needs a change in voice. If it doesn't happen this year, it needs to happen next year. |
Author: | Rod [ Mon May 30, 2022 8:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
I would be hoping that Moncada and Grandal could get on good enough runs where I could trade them for something of value. Supposedly Soto is available. I doubt the Sox currently have the kind of prospects that Washington will want for him, but maybe those type of prospects could be gained in trades. I would be willing to include Cease and possibly even Kopech in a such a deal. |
Author: | Nardi [ Mon May 30, 2022 9:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
I don't watch them enough to have an educated opinion. The sport itself is in the process of heading towards my rearview mirror. This latest 14 playoffs teams proposal with a 162 schedule might be the straw that breaks my back. With all the game killing stuff that's already going on, they do this? |
Author: | Cashman [ Mon May 30, 2022 9:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I would be hoping that Moncada and Grandal could get on good enough runs where I could trade them for something of value. Supposedly Soto is available. I doubt the Sox currently have the kind of prospects that Washington will want for him, but maybe those type of prospects could be gained in trades. I would be willing to include Cease and possibly even Kopech in a such a deal. Then you literally have no SPs. |
Author: | Chet Coppock's Fur Coat [ Mon May 30, 2022 10:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I would be hoping that Moncada and Grandal could get on good enough runs where I could trade them for something of value. Supposedly Soto is available. I doubt the Sox currently have the kind of prospects that Washington will want for him, but maybe those type of prospects could be gained in trades. I would be willing to include Cease and possibly even Kopech in a such a deal. The White Sox don't have the quality under team control to make a Soto deal work. Not that the Cubs would do it, but they could start with Davis, Killian, Alcantara, and one of the kids they got for Darvish. No way the White Sox can match that. |
Author: | Rod [ Mon May 30, 2022 10:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
Cashman wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I would be hoping that Moncada and Grandal could get on good enough runs where I could trade them for something of value. Supposedly Soto is available. I doubt the Sox currently have the kind of prospects that Washington will want for him, but maybe those type of prospects could be gained in trades. I would be willing to include Cease and possibly even Kopech in a such a deal. Then you literally have no SPs. Do you really need them in today's game? They give you five innings and then turn the game over to a bullpen that blows it. |
Author: | Cashman [ Mon May 30, 2022 10:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Cashman wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I would be hoping that Moncada and Grandal could get on good enough runs where I could trade them for something of value. Supposedly Soto is available. I doubt the Sox currently have the kind of prospects that Washington will want for him, but maybe those type of prospects could be gained in trades. I would be willing to include Cease and possibly even Kopech in a such a deal. Then you literally have no SPs. Do you really need them in today's game? They give you five innings and then turn the game over to a bullpen that blows it. You've seen keuchel pitch, right? |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon May 30, 2022 10:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
They can pitch, and the Twins suck. The season isn’t over. Need Moncada and Grandal to hit. They are at .500 when about everything that could go wrong has. |
Author: | badrogue17 [ Mon May 30, 2022 10:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
Nardi wrote: I don't watch them enough to have an educated opinion. The sport itself is in the process of heading towards my rearview mirror. This latest 14 playoffs teams proposal with a 162 schedule might be the straw that breaks my back. With all the game killing stuff that's already going on, they do this? 100% this . Dont need to turn this into participation trophy playoffs like hockey . I still don’t like that an 82 win team won the World Series . |
Author: | badrogue17 [ Mon May 30, 2022 10:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: They can pitch, and the Twins suck. The season isn’t over. Need Moncada and Grandal to hit. They are at .500 when about everything that could go wrong has. I’m guessing when the hitting turns around the pitching is gonna crater . |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon May 30, 2022 10:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
badrogue17 wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: They can pitch, and the Twins suck. The season isn’t over. Need Moncada and Grandal to hit. They are at .500 when about everything that could go wrong has. I’m guessing when the hitting turns around the pitching is gonna crater . Basing things on your fantasies isn’t a good strategy. |
Author: | Nardi [ Mon May 30, 2022 10:54 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: badrogue17 wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: They can pitch, and the Twins suck. The season isn’t over. Need Moncada and Grandal to hit. They are at .500 when about everything that could go wrong has. I’m guessing when the hitting turns around the pitching is gonna crater . Basing things on your fantasies isn’t a good strategy. Pitching cratered last year. "everybody is back, we're gonna roll". It didn't happen. Lynn became average, Keuchel finally ragged out and Rodon's shoulder started rotting again. All were "fantasies". |
Author: | Rod [ Mon May 30, 2022 10:59 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
Cashman wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Cashman wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I would be hoping that Moncada and Grandal could get on good enough runs where I could trade them for something of value. Supposedly Soto is available. I doubt the Sox currently have the kind of prospects that Washington will want for him, but maybe those type of prospects could be gained in trades. I would be willing to include Cease and possibly even Kopech in a such a deal. Then you literally have no SPs. Do you really need them in today's game? They give you five innings and then turn the game over to a bullpen that blows it. You've seen keuchel pitch, right? Yeah. But there are guys you can use for four innings who throw harder than 87 mph. |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon May 30, 2022 11:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
Nardi wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: badrogue17 wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: They can pitch, and the Twins suck. The season isn’t over. Need Moncada and Grandal to hit. They are at .500 when about everything that could go wrong has. I’m guessing when the hitting turns around the pitching is gonna crater . Basing things on your fantasies isn’t a good strategy. Pitching cratered last year. "everybody is back, we're gonna roll". It didn't happen. Lynn became average, Keuchel finally ragged out and Rodon's shoulder started rotting again. All were "fantasies". You mean they lost in the playoffs? Agreed. But the pitching didn’t “crater”. |
Author: | Nardi [ Mon May 30, 2022 11:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: Nardi wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: badrogue17 wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: They can pitch, and the Twins suck. The season isn’t over. Need Moncada and Grandal to hit. They are at .500 when about everything that could go wrong has. I’m guessing when the hitting turns around the pitching is gonna crater . Basing things on your fantasies isn’t a good strategy. Pitching cratered last year. "everybody is back, we're gonna roll". It didn't happen. Lynn became average, Keuchel finally ragged out and Rodon's shoulder started rotting again. All were "fantasies". You mean they lost in the playoffs? Agreed. But the pitching didn’t “crater”. It's the whole reason they went from a .650 team to a .500 team. |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon May 30, 2022 12:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
They finished second in the American League in ERA. They were fifth in runs scored. They were coasting to a division title. |
Author: | Nardi [ Mon May 30, 2022 12:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: They finished second in the American League in ERA. They were fifth in runs scored. They were coasting to a division title. Your optimism on this lone subject is breathtaking. |
Author: | Cheap Charlie [ Mon May 30, 2022 12:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
Nardi wrote: I don't watch them enough to have an educated opinion. The sport itself is in the process of heading towards my rearview mirror. This latest 14 playoffs teams proposal with a 162 schedule might be the straw that breaks my back. With all the game killing stuff that's already going on, they do this? I now 'watch' Los Blancos on Yahoo sports game tracker thingy. When I even bother. Move the team to Caracas. |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon May 30, 2022 12:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
Nardi wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: They finished second in the American League in ERA. They were fifth in runs scored. They were coasting to a division title. Your optimism on this lone subject is breathtaking. What’s optimistic about facts? The pitching didn’t crater. They sucked against a great Astros team in the playoffs. They have good pitching this year. I don’t see it dropping off significantly by adding Lynn and Cueto while dumping Kuechel. |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon May 30, 2022 12:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
The pitching absolutely cratered in the playoffs last year. Bummer was good, Kopech was good. Every other arm was positively dreadful. |
Author: | Nardi [ Mon May 30, 2022 12:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
He waited for Ruffcorn. |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon May 30, 2022 1:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
Frank Coztansa wrote: The pitching absolutely cratered in the playoffs last year. Bummer was good, Kopech was good. Every other arm was positively dreadful. They lost in the playoffs. Four games. Cratered implies totally feel apart, and we are discussing the regular season. If you want to be a bitch and say it’s all doom and gloom have at it. I disagree. |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon May 30, 2022 1:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
The pitching allowed 58 base runners and 31 runs over those 4 games. The starters covered 37 of the 108 outs recorded. Cratered. "Feel" apart. They fucking sucked and so do you. Its doom and gloom as I do not believe that the 2022 White Sox are World Series team. |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon May 30, 2022 1:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
Frank Coztansa wrote: The pitching allowed 58 base runners and 31 runs over those 4 games. The starters covered 37 of the 108 outs recorded. Cratered. "Feel" apart. They fucking sucked and so do you. Its doom and gloom as I do not believe that the 2022 White Sox are World Series team. The discussion is about the regular season. So citing those 4 games is meaningless. They are .500 with everything that has gone wrong. Good pitching can carry them. Need to hit more |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon May 30, 2022 1:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Realistic Expectations 2022 |
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. p Playoff games are not meaningless |
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