Of course, this does not necessarily mean that he won't be traded...
EDIT: I just heard the details of the deal and he has a form of a no-trade in place, so he's here to stay!
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| Author: | hawkeye [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:32 pm ] |
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Hell yes, just when I thought he was going to get traded they just announced after the Sox win against Minnesota that he agreed to a 4 year extension. Money was not disclosed. Great news here, that would have been really hard for me to stomach if he had been traded or left via free agency. Nice job all around. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:35 pm ] |
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nice. great news! perfect end to yet another vazquez gem |
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| Author: | Stinkfinger The Crow [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:41 pm ] |
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Thank god everyone finally came to their senses. I'm glad that we'll continue to see #56 take the bump every five days for the next four years. |
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| Author: | Mr. Reason [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:45 pm ] |
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Good for Sox fans. Even as a Cub fan, I have always had a great deal of respect for Buerhle. I think all of the pressure put on the Sox by the fans had something to do with this finally getting resolved. Sox fans, you should give yourselves a nice pat on the back. I think you had a hand in Kenny doing the right thing. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:54 pm ] |
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White Sox re-sign Buehrle for four years Team makes announcement after Sunday's win over Twins By Alex Gyr / MLB.com CHICAGO -- After weeks of trade rumors, it turns out Mark Buehrle is going to be in a White Sox uniform for at least four more years. The White Sox came to terms with their star southpaw for a four-year contract extension on Sunday. The terms of the deal have not yet been announced. The agreement was announced to the U.S. Cellular Field crowd immediately following the final out in Sunday's 6-3 White Sox victory over the Minnesota Twins. Buehrle was seen hugging manager Ozzie Guillen and his teammates in the eighth inning, leading to speculation that there was some movement in the Buehrle negotiations. Buehrle is scheduled to start Friday against the Orioles at Camden Yards. |
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| Author: | Sam in Hoffman [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:00 pm ] |
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Good thing he's not a Cub.. or we'd see the following headline after his next start: "Days after signing extension, Buehrle breaks pitching arm clean off." Good for him.. glad to see he'll be in a Sox uniform for a few more years. Even as a Cub fan, I appreciate watching Buehrle pitch. |
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| Author: | Killer V [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:23 pm ] |
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Of course, this does not necessarily mean that he won't be traded...
EDIT: I just heard the details of the deal and he has a form of a no-trade in place, so he's here to stay! |
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| Author: | kerchungathunk [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:26 pm ] |
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Good for Sox fans and Buehrle. I'm also glad that he's not going to a NL club where he could do far more damage to the Cubs than merely with the Sox. Better he stays right where he is. My wife (Cards fan) will be most dismayed. |
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| Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:07 pm ] |
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Killer V wrote: EDIT: I just heard the details of the deal and he has a form of a no-trade in place, so he's here to stay!
Well, technically. I couldn't imagine the Sox to pay the escalated salary in the event of a trade... at least not anytime soon. |
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:15 pm ] |
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No trade for 2008. Can be traded for 09, but salary jumps to 15M and gets an option guaranteed for 2012. Become 10/5 in 2010. And he took the same original deal of 4 years/56 M. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:16 pm ] |
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Everybody is saying this escalated salary means he's untradeable. No it doesn't. If a team like the Yankees, Mets or Red Sox are in contention they'd take on that salary if Buehrle is still a stud pitcher. Shiv. The sox don't pay the escalated part of the salary. The team he's traded too pays that. A fifth year at 17 million kicks in if he's traded. He can't be traded next year and then the Sox have a 20 month window where they can trade him. Basically near the trading deadline of the 4th year of the deal. At that point he's a 5 and 10 guy and can't be traded. Good for the Sox. Nobody should be mad at them. You want them to get a good deal. Who knows? Maybe in a couple years it will be in the Sox best interest to trade him if they get the right players back. But I'm glad he's here for now. |
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| Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:45 pm ] |
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Beardown wrote: Shiv. The sox don't pay the escalated part of the salary. The team he's traded too pays that. A fifth year at 17 million kicks in if he's traded.
Gotcha. I suppose that makes a lot more sense. 
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| Author: | Killer V [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:47 pm ] |
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I just meant that this isn't going to turn into a sign and trade this year. |
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| Author: | BD [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:42 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: Jerry came to his senses and realized there was no way he could win this one. Vasquez has become the new trading chip. I thought he would finally put it together this year and he has. If he had a little run support he would have more wins.
I think it's Garland and Contreras. Obviously, if they can get Contreras' contract off the book, that's the main objective so hopefully the Mets will bite. We don't know yet if Garland will be willing to accept a 3 or 4 year deal with a hometown discount, but he's still under contract for next season so his value is probably very high still. I think in order to build the team with the approximate $100 million payroll that Kenny will have to work with, I expect next season to have 1) Buerhle 2) Garland 3) Vazquez 4) Denks 5) Gonzalzez/Floyd/Massett....Saying that, I think he would move Garland if he got 2 players who could step in to other holes (bullpen/OF/SS). |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:01 pm ] |
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They can get the same value in a Garland trade that they would have got for Buehrle. Probably more since that team knows they'll have him for next year. I suspect Kenny will hold him up until the deadline and try to rape a desperate team. Somebody will bite. If you think you can win a title this year you'll want Garland. GM's will get that "this will win it for us" feeling come July 31. I'm pretty sure Garland will be dealt. We should get that "can't miss prospect" and two other kids. Kenny won't deal him unless he gets that "offer he can't refuse". It has to include that team's stud prospect. Boston has a center fielder kid and the Mets have a great outfield prospect. Contreras too. But we'll get nothing great in return. The Sox will just want to unload that salary. He'll have about 2 starts before the deadline. Let's hope he does well. |
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| Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:41 pm ] |
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Garland and Buehrle are the staples of that rotation and neither should be traded. Luckily the latter will be here (or so it seems) for the next four years, and the former should be given every opprotunity to stay in Chicago once his contract ends. Contreras should be the only pitcher dealt out of that rotation. |
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| Author: | BD [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:45 pm ] |
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Beardown wrote: They can get the same value in a Garland trade that they would have got for Buehrle. Probably more since that team knows they'll have him for next year. \
I suspect Kenny will hold him up until the deadline and try to rape a desperate team. Somebody will bite. If you think you can win a title this year you'll want Garland. GM's will get that "this will win it for us" feeling come July 31. I'm pretty sure Garland will be dealt. We should get that "can't miss prospect" and two other kids. Kenny won't deal him unless he gets that "offer he can't refuse". It has to include that team's stud prospect. Boston has a center fielder kid and the Mets have a great outfield prospect. Contreras too. But we'll get nothing great in return. The Sox will just want to unload that salary. He'll have about 2 starts before the deadline. Let's hope he does well. I'm hoping Contreras gets dealt to the Mets before the deadline, and, I kind of think Garland won't get moved until the off-season. I think, at that point, Kenny can get a final answer as to what Garland is looking for, and he will still have top value because he's still under contract for next season. Beardown - you may be right about Garland being dealt this month, but I'd be surprised. Then again, Garland would get you more in a trade than Buerhle would have because of the contract situation (3 months for Buehrle vs. over a year with Garland under contract). I think Kenny could get one Grade A prospect, and then another Grade B/B+ type, both about ready to play in the majors, or with some experience already. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:50 pm ] |
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He'll only trade Garland if he gets that deal you can't refuse. Otherwise Kenny could always wait for that great offer in the off season. An off season trade could bring back a ready made starter in his early to mid 20's. Somebody who's played and proven himself. You won't get that type of guy if he's dealt now. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:58 pm ] |
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i wouldnt trade javy either. outside of what maybe a couple starts, he's been pitching great |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:07 pm ] |
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You might have to trade one of them. You have to rebuild this team. You can do it on the fly. We do have a budget however. I know nobody wants to hear that. We're not cheap like alot of idiot Sox fans think. We're a top 5 payroll. But you have to do things smartly. It's not a Yankee thing here. If you like Gio Gonzolaez and Floyd you can fit them in with Javy and Buehrle. They don't make shit yet. Garland is making 11 million per year. That money can go else where. Plus you can get 2 or 3 guys back for Galand. One guy maybe can help next year. The other 2 can be young and under your control for 5 years. This is how you have to do things. Yes, you can keep Garland and go another route. I'm not saying just trade him for the sake of trading him. But you need to listen and try to get that great offer. That's how you try to rebuild this team. |
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| Author: | BD [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:33 pm ] |
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Garland or Vazquez....and it's probably Garland since Vazquez is under contract for the next few years, they need to move one of those high priced pitchers, and allocate that money to their offense. Moving Contreras is key though right away. |
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:41 am ] |
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BD wrote: Moving Contreras is key though right away.
What are you going to receive for him is the question? He's making 9 million this year, 10 the next two so the Sox will have to pick up part of the tab or take a low level prospect. |
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| Author: | Mr. Reason [ Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:43 am ] |
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Hawkeye Vince wrote: BD wrote: Moving Contreras is key though right away. What are you going to receive for him is the question? He's making 9 million this year, 10 the next two so the Sox will have to pick up part of the tab or take a low level prospect. Also don't forget, he is 76 years old. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:46 am ] |
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Mr. Reason wrote: Hawkeye Vince wrote: BD wrote: Moving Contreras is key though right away. What are you going to receive for him is the question? He's making 9 million this year, 10 the next two so the Sox will have to pick up part of the tab or take a low level prospect. Also don't forget, he is 76 years old. He is eligible for medicare, so the team will save on that. |
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:54 am ] |
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Mr. Reason wrote: Hawkeye Vince wrote: BD wrote: Moving Contreras is key though right away. What are you going to receive for him is the question? He's making 9 million this year, 10 the next two so the Sox will have to pick up part of the tab or take a low level prospect. Also don't forget, he is 76 years old. Yes I agree. I understand what people are saying with a desire to move him, but you have to have a trading partner. If you put a bow on a turd, it's still a turd. |
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| Author: | BD [ Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:22 am ] |
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Hawkeye Vince wrote: BD wrote: Moving Contreras is key though right away. What are you going to receive for him is the question? He's making 9 million this year, 10 the next two so the Sox will have to pick up part of the tab or take a low level prospect. I don't care if they get a bag of balls for him. I think the last year is a team option (not positive), but I would expect the White Sox would have to pick up some of that, although if the Mets are involved, hopefully Kenny can convince the Mets to pick up most of that. The biggest thing is shedding tha contract off the White Sox books. |
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| Author: | BD [ Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:24 am ] |
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Hawkeye Vince wrote: Mr. Reason wrote: Hawkeye Vince wrote: BD wrote: Moving Contreras is key though right away. What are you going to receive for him is the question? He's making 9 million this year, 10 the next two so the Sox will have to pick up part of the tab or take a low level prospect. Also don't forget, he is 76 years old. Yes I agree. I understand what people are saying with a desire to move him, but you have to have a trading partner. If you put a bow on a turd, it's still a turd. From what the media has reported, the Mets do have some interest. Let's not also forget that this isn't exactly a good year to acquire starting pitching via trade. There just isn't that much out there. I don't know if he'll get traded, but I'm sure Kenny will do what he can to get something done. |
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:57 am ] |
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BD wrote: Hawkeye Vince wrote: BD wrote: Moving Contreras is key though right away. What are you going to receive for him is the question? He's making 9 million this year, 10 the next two so the Sox will have to pick up part of the tab or take a low level prospect. I don't care if they get a bag of balls for him. I think the last year is a team option (not positive), but I would expect the White Sox would have to pick up some of that, although if the Mets are involved, hopefully Kenny can convince the Mets to pick up most of that. The biggest thing is shedding tha contract off the White Sox books. Unfortunately, with his fastball dipping into the mid 80's, the market is shrinking for Jose. |
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| Author: | BD [ Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:51 pm ] |
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Hawkeye Vince wrote: BD wrote: Hawkeye Vince wrote: BD wrote: Moving Contreras is key though right away. What are you going to receive for him is the question? He's making 9 million this year, 10 the next two so the Sox will have to pick up part of the tab or take a low level prospect. I don't care if they get a bag of balls for him. I think the last year is a team option (not positive), but I would expect the White Sox would have to pick up some of that, although if the Mets are involved, hopefully Kenny can convince the Mets to pick up most of that. The biggest thing is shedding tha contract off the White Sox books. Unfortunately, with his fastball dipping into the mid 80's, the market is shrinking for Jose. It's probably just a NY Mets market and if they want him. |
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