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you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place

good dolphin wrote:

you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place

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you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place

Seacrest wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place

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Who would you have had them draft instead? Mr GM!

Caller Bob wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place

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Who would you have had them draft instead? Mr GM!

Noah Naylor off the top of my head.

good dolphin wrote:

you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place

He was a . 316 career hitter for them and ideal number 2 hitter . Seeing as how second base has been a disaster for them since the trade , I certainly cant point to them drafting him as a bad pick.

badrogue17 wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place

He was a . 316 career hitter for them and ideal number 2 hitter . Seeing as how second base has been a disaster for them since the trade , I certainly cant point to them drafting him as a bad pick.

He was billed as a high IQ player. He was supposed to be the fastest guy in the draft, the kind who made every single a double because of stealing bases. He was supposed to be a GG level second baseman from the day he was drafted. It was shocking how none of that was true and evident almost immediately. He cost them games. He also wasn't durable.

Seacrest wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place

THIS

Who would you have had them draft instead? Mr GM!

Noah Naylor off the top of my head.

No GM was taking Naylor top 5 in that draft. Get real. Take your thoughts to the Children's Section

https://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewforum.php?f=181

A team that still doesn't have a serviceable MLB catcher 5 years later would have been better off taking Naylor.

Seacrest wrote:

A team that still doesn't have a serviceable MLB catcher 5 years later would have been better off taking Naylor.

I'm sure the Sox fortunes would be flipped on their head this year if they had Naylor and his .186/.276/.336 line.

Log off for the day, you're drunk already!

good dolphin wrote:

badrogue17 wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place

He was a . 316 career hitter for them and ideal number 2 hitter . Seeing as how second base has been a disaster for them since the trade , I certainly cant point to them drafting him as a bad pick.

He's been the Cubs best defensive third baseman(low bar) at least up until they traded for Candy Man. He would be even better if he went back to 2nd. Your development program fucking sucks.

They probably should have taken India but he hasn't been that great after his rookie year.

ruined Horner, as if he isn't another pedestrian player

Seacrest wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place

THIS

Who would you have had them draft instead? Mr GM!

Noah Naylor off the top of my head.

No GM was taking Naylor top 5 in that draft. Get real. Take your thoughts to the Children's Section

https://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewforum.php?f=181

good dolphin wrote:

ruined Horner, as if he isn't another pedestrian player

Hoerner is 4th in WAR amongst all 2nd baseman in MLB. It's ok, you have Elvis "the game changer" Andrus.

good dolphin wrote:

ruined Horner, as if he isn't another pedestrian player

Hoerner is 4th in WAR amongst all 2nd baseman in MLB. It's ok, you have Elvis "the game changer" Andrus.

Madrigal was one of the worst base runners I can recall on this team (which is saying something) and he sucked on defense.

I liked that he never struck out but I didn’t like that 80% of his hits were swinging bunts.

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

What have the Sox been running out there since they traded him?

Madrigal was one of the worst base runners I can recall on this team (which is saying something)

Caller Bob wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

ruined Horner, as if he isn't another pedestrian player

Hoerner is 4th in WAR amongst all 2nd baseman in MLB. It's ok, you have Elvis "the game changer" Andrus.

He’s a 99 OPS+ guy, which makes him almost exactly average. He’s a career 97, so slightly below average, but I’m willing to bump him up.

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

ruined Horner, as if he isn't another pedestrian player

Hoerner is 4th in WAR amongst all 2nd baseman in MLB. It's ok, you have Elvis "the game changer" Andrus.

He’s a 99 OPS+ guy, which makes him almost exactly average. He’s a career 97, so slightly below average, but I’m willing to bump him up.

That makes him an average hitter, but you realize for position players there is more to the game than hitting right?

Author:	badrogue17 [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 7:02 am ]
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Discuss.

Author:	Sock Puppet [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 7:16 am ]
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Maybe Fat Orange Sciambi can give you a "Thanks Sox!"

Author:	good dolphin [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 7:50 am ]
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you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place

Author:	Seacrest [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:00 am ]
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good dolphin wrote: you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place THIS

Author:	Caller Bob [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:01 am ]
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Seacrest wrote: good dolphin wrote: you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place THIS Who would you have had them draft instead? Mr GM!

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Author:	badrogue17 [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:10 am ]
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good dolphin wrote: you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place He was a . 316 career hitter for them and ideal number 2 hitter . Seeing as how second base has been a disaster for them since the trade , I certainly cant point to them drafting him as a bad pick.

Author:	Seacrest [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:13 am ]
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Caller Bob wrote: Seacrest wrote: good dolphin wrote: you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place THIS Who would you have had them draft instead? Mr GM! Noah Naylor off the top of my head.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:16 am ]
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Seacrest wrote: Caller Bob wrote: Seacrest wrote: good dolphin wrote: you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place THIS Who would you have had them draft instead? Mr GM! Noah Naylor off the top of my head. No GM was taking Naylor top 5 in that draft. Get real. Take your thoughts to the Children's Section viewforum.php?f=181

Author:	good dolphin [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:21 am ]
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badrogue17 wrote: good dolphin wrote: you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place He was a . 316 career hitter for them and ideal number 2 hitter . Seeing as how second base has been a disaster for them since the trade , I certainly cant point to them drafting him as a bad pick. He was billed as a high IQ player. He was supposed to be the fastest guy in the draft, the kind who made every single a double because of stealing bases. He was supposed to be a GG level second baseman from the day he was drafted. It was shocking how none of that was true and evident almost immediately. He cost them games. He also wasn't durable.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:23 am ]
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good dolphin wrote: badrogue17 wrote: good dolphin wrote: you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place He was a . 316 career hitter for them and ideal number 2 hitter . Seeing as how second base has been a disaster for them since the trade , I certainly cant point to them drafting him as a bad pick. He was billed as a high IQ player. He was supposed to be the fastest guy in the draft, the kind who made every single a double because of stealing bases. He was supposed to be a GG level second baseman from the day he was drafted. It was shocking how none of that was true and evident almost immediately. He cost them games. He also wasn't durable. He's been the Cubs best defensive third baseman(low bar) at least up until they traded for Candy Man. He would be even better if he went back to 2nd. Your development program fucking sucks. They probably should have taken India but he hasn't been that great after his rookie year.

Author:	Seacrest [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:34 am ]
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Caller Bob wrote: Seacrest wrote: Caller Bob wrote: Seacrest wrote: good dolphin wrote: you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place THIS Who would you have had them draft instead? Mr GM! Noah Naylor off the top of my head. No GM was taking Naylor top 5 in that draft. Get real. Take your thoughts to the Children's Section https://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewforum.php?f=181 Madrigal sits behind Hoerner who was drafted 22nd. You do a damn good Simple imitation here. A team that still doesn't have a serviceable MLB catcher 5 years later would have been better off taking Naylor.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:38 am ]
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Seacrest wrote: A team that still doesn't have a serviceable MLB catcher 5 years later would have been better off taking Naylor. I'm sure the Sox fortunes would be flipped on their head this year if they had Naylor and his .186/.276/.336 line. Log off for the day, you're drunk already!

Author:	Seacrest [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:39 am ]
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Caller Bob wrote: Seacrest wrote: A team that still doesn't have a serviceable MLB catcher 5 years later would have been better off taking Naylor. I'm sure the Sox fortunes would be flipped on their head this year if they had Naylor and his .186/.276/.336 line. Log off for the day, you're drunk already! Nico Hoerner would have been a better pick than Madrigal. Madrigal was the safe pick, which is how GM's get fired, except on the South Side.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:42 am ]
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The Sox would have ruined Hoerner just like Simple Frank has ruined the family name

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Author:	good dolphin [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:04 am ]
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ruined Horner, as if he isn't another pedestrian player

Author:	good dolphin [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:06 am ]
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Caller Bob wrote: good dolphin wrote: badrogue17 wrote: good dolphin wrote: you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place He was a . 316 career hitter for them and ideal number 2 hitter . Seeing as how second base has been a disaster for them since the trade , I certainly cant point to them drafting him as a bad pick. He was billed as a high IQ player. He was supposed to be the fastest guy in the draft, the kind who made every single a double because of stealing bases. He was supposed to be a GG level second baseman from the day he was drafted. It was shocking how none of that was true and evident almost immediately. He cost them games. He also wasn't durable. He's been the Cubs best defensive third baseman(low bar) at least up until they traded for Candy Man. He would be even better if he went back to 2nd. Your development program fucking sucks. They probably should have taken India but he hasn't been that great after his rookie year. He really doesn't have the arm to be an every day 3B.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:07 am ]
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good dolphin wrote: ruined Horner, as if he isn't another pedestrian player Hoerner is 4th in WAR amongst all 2nd baseman in MLB. It's ok, you have Elvis "the game changer" Andrus.

Author:	This Ends in Antioch [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:09 am ]
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Madrigal was one of the worst base runners I can recall on this team (which is saying something) and he sucked on defense. I liked that he never struck out but I didn’t like that 80% of his hits were swinging bunts.

Author:	Rod [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:12 am ]
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Caller Bob wrote: Seacrest wrote: Caller Bob wrote: Seacrest wrote: good dolphin wrote: you could probably point to them drafting him in the first place THIS Who would you have had them draft instead? Mr GM! Noah Naylor off the top of my head. No GM was taking Naylor top 5 in that draft. Get real. Take your thoughts to the Children's Section https://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewforum.php?f=181

Author:	good dolphin [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:13 am ]
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Caller Bob wrote: good dolphin wrote: ruined Horner, as if he isn't another pedestrian player Hoerner is 4th in WAR amongst all 2nd baseman in MLB. It's ok, you have Elvis "the game changer" Andrus. Heavily skewed by defense at a non impact defensive position. He's just another grindy, light hitting 2b overrated by fans, at least partially, because of his race. What are his defining traits as a hitter? He doesn't have much power, doesn't get on at a high clip, doesn't hit for average. The best thing he does offensively is steal bases but he isn't someone you fear on the base paths. He's more a guy who takes a base when you aren't paying attention.

Author:	Rod [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:15 am ]
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This Ends in Antioch wrote: Madrigal was one of the worst base runners I can recall on this team (which is saying something) and he sucked on defense. I liked that he never struck out but I didn’t like that 80% of his hits were swinging bunts. He's like that little shortstop the Sox got in the White Flag trade that everyone was excited about for like five minutes.

Author:	badrogue17 [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:16 am ]
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This Ends in Antioch wrote: Madrigal was one of the worst base runners I can recall on this team (which is saying something) and he sucked on defense. I liked that he never struck out but I didn’t like that 80% of his hits were swinging bunts. What have the Sox been running out there since they traded him?

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:46 am ]
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Madrigal is so great that the Cubs had to move him to a new position, then traded for an upgrade to that position. Nicky Two Strikes would have been a great player in old Comiskey. He's a career 3 WAR player who spends almost as much time on the IL as he does on the field.

Author:	Nardi [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:09 am ]
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He's nothin' and was traded for nothin'. Why we even talking about it? Next on the agenda, Carson Fulmer.

Author:	One Post [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:29 am ]
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This Ends in Antioch wrote: Caller Bob wrote: good dolphin wrote: ruined Horner, as if he isn't another pedestrian player Hoerner is 4th in WAR amongst all 2nd baseman in MLB. It's ok, you have Elvis "the game changer" Andrus. He’s a 99 OPS+ guy, which makes him almost exactly average. He’s a career 97, so slightly below average, but I’m willing to bump him up. That makes him an average hitter, but you realize for position players there is more to the game than hitting right?

Author:	Nardi [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:32 am ]
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One Post wrote: This Ends in Antioch wrote: Caller Bob wrote: good dolphin wrote: ruined Horner, as if he isn't another pedestrian player Hoerner is 4th in WAR amongst all 2nd baseman in MLB. It's ok, you have Elvis "the game changer" Andrus. He’s a 99 OPS+ guy, which makes him almost exactly average. He’s a career 97, so slightly below average, but I’m willing to bump him up. That makes him an average hitter, but you realize for position players there is more to the game than hitting right? Not that I've seen lately.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:37 am ]
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I don't believe the Subdivision is familiar with infield defense. They haven't seen it in the while.