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I haven't heard a rumor about this one, but I know the Cubs are semi interested in Dye. What about a Dye for Ronny Cedeno trade? Cedeno has been tearing up triple A and I know his big league appearances have been less than stellar, but I think this would be a good trade for the sox who need a SS and Cedeno is only 24.

I have a bag of balls for Dye if the Sox are interested. Near perfect condition.

we got left with Jeremy Burnitz!

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we got left with Jeremy Burnitz!

Is he even still in the league?

Here's a possible trade for ya OBJ:

According to ESPN's Peter Gammons, the Braves and White Sox have talked about swapping Edgar Renteria and Jon Garland.

It makes some sense, as the Braves have Yunel Escobar to plug in at shortstop. However, they'd likely want the White Sox to pick up some money to even up the salaries. Renteria is owed $9 million next year, while Garland is due $12 million. Even if the money could be worked out, a deal still seems like a long shot.

Here's a possible trade for ya OBJ:

According to ESPN's Peter Gammons, the Braves and White Sox have talked about swapping Edgar Renteria and Jon Garland.

i still would be reluctant to trade garland or vazquez. sure they're both making a lot of $, but all garland has done is lead the league in wins from 05-06, and he's really come into his own. i know he's struggled a bit lately, but he's still pretty young and under "market value" so im questioning why everyone would want to get rid of garland.

vazquez has pitched damn good for the vast majority of the season as well. any guy that will consistently give you 200 innings, 200 strikeouts, with an ERA around 4.5 or so is going to be a commoddity in the AL. the sox have lots of things to fix if they expect to compete for a playoff spot in 2008, 09, or 10 but a rotation that sets up like Buehrle, Garland, Vazquez, Danks is a very positive step in the right direction

an aside, posting at work rules!

I was thinking that too BD. Put Fields in left next year. Sweeney/BA in right. Get a Centerfielder in free agency and have Erdstad as the backup OF. I think they need to trade for a SS without giving up Buerhle, Garland, Vasquez and get bull pen help via free agency.

OakBrookJoe wrote:

Fields will be an interesting case.
If they aren't able to work out a long-term deal with Crede, do they just play him at 3B for one season since his trade value would be low ?
If they do that, do they send Fields back to the minors to continue working at 3B or do they move him to LF and risk moving a young player to a new position ? If they do that, it would probably only be for a year, so there's a lot to be decided about Josh Fields.

At least one of those spots will probably be filled by someone we have already seen this season, like Aardsma if he can get his stuff back.

The Sox have Crede's rights for 1 more year. They can go to arbitration with him. They don't have to deal with Boras yet.

It's still alot of money. The arbitrator will give him 6-8 million.

I say the Sox should do that. It's a risk cuz he could break down again or he could be bad.

But if he's good for 2 months next year then you can deal him for something and that team will take on 66% of that one year deal.

Fields can start in left field next year and go back to 3rd if this plan works and you can trade Crede.

If they non tender him that sucks but I'd understand. It sucks cuz the Sox stuck with this kid. Made him a good player and will get nothing in return for him.

Author:	OakBrookJoe [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:02 am ]
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I haven't heard a rumor about this one, but I know the Cubs are semi interested in Dye. What about a Dye for Ronny Cedeno trade? Cedeno has been tearing up triple A and I know his big league appearances have been less than stellar, but I think this would be a good trade for the sox who need a SS and Cedeno is only 24.

Author:	BD [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:29 am ]
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OakBrookJoe wrote: I haven't heard a rumor about this one, but I know the Cubs are semi interested in Dye. What about a Dye for Ronny Cedeno trade? Cedeno has been tearing up triple A and I know his big league appearances have been less than stellar, but I think this would be a good trade for the sox who need a SS and Cedeno is only 24. I'm just not convinced that Cedeno would become anything more than a possible starting SS if everything broke for him. I do like that he'd be making no money for the next several seasons, and that's something the White Sox desperately need in several of the holes they have to fill.

Author:	Juiced [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:53 am ]
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I have a bag of balls for Dye if the Sox are interested. Near perfect condition.

Author:	OakBrookJoe [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:08 am ]
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Quote: I have a bag of balls for Dye if the Sox are interested. Near perfect condition. Dye for a bag of balls? You'd have to take Uribe and Contreras as well for that trade.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:19 am ]
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you could get a lot more for dye than just somene like ronny cedeno.

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Author:	OakBrookJoe [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:21 am ]
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Dye is a rent-a-player. Teams don't give up as much for those type players as they use to.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:41 pm ]
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im saying you could get a better prospect than a ronny cedeno type. that, or a reliever. kenny needs to go after pitching in these trades because that entire bullpen, outside of haeger, jenks, and thornton needs to be revamped in the off season. last place sucks.

Author:	bigfan [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:52 pm ]
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What about the Sox latin culture? lol remember that shit KW kept telling everyone as someone that helped win a World Series? I am AJ, Konerko, Buerhle, Garland, Crede, Podds, Jenks, Dye and my favorite Iguchi must have missed the signup for that club. Ironic, as I honestly wanted the Cubs to sign Dye, He was a Cheap, banged up player with tons of talent, but we had to wait until Andy could sell Sammy on Ebay and we got left with Jeremy Burnitz!

Author:	Juiced [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:00 pm ]
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Quote: we got left with Jeremy Burnitz! Is he even still in the league?

Author:	Bulldog Scott [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:11 pm ]
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As a Cubs fan, I would LOVE if all they had to give up to get Dye was Cedeno, but it's not going to happen. Keep in mind, if Dye walks away as a free agent at the end of the year, the team he is traded to gets a compensation pick (probably between the 1st and 2nd round). If Cedeno is all Kenny can get for him, then he would be better off holding on to him and getting the compenstation pick.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:11 pm ]
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JEROMY!

Author:	cooler [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:18 pm ]
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Juiced wrote: Quote: we got left with Jeremy Burnitz! Is he even still in the league? No, he isn't

Author:	Keyser Soze [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:19 pm ]
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Here's a possible trade for ya OBJ: According to ESPN's Peter Gammons, the Braves and White Sox have talked about swapping Edgar Renteria and Jon Garland. It makes some sense, as the Braves have Yunel Escobar to plug in at shortstop. However, they'd likely want the White Sox to pick up some money to even up the salaries. Renteria is owed $9 million next year, while Garland is due $12 million. Even if the money could be worked out, a deal still seems like a long shot.

Author:	BD [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:35 pm ]
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Keyser Soze wrote: Here's a possible trade for ya OBJ: According to ESPN's Peter Gammons, the Braves and White Sox have talked about swapping Edgar Renteria and Jon Garland. It makes some sense, as the Braves have Yunel Escobar to plug in at shortstop. However, they'd likely want the White Sox to pick up some money to even up the salaries. Renteria is owed $9 million next year, while Garland is due $12 million. Even if the money could be worked out, a deal still seems like a long shot. Yes, I heard this last night, and rumor is the White Sox rejected this. From the White Sox perspective, it makes little/no sense. Right now, they have 10 players under contract for next season for about $79 million. If they keep those 10 (AJ, Konerko, Thome, Buerhle, Pablo, Vazquez, Garland, Contreras, MacDougle, and Thorton) alone, they would be able to do much else, and still keep their payroll around the $100 milion mark. Renteria is a good player, though he struggled the one season he was in the AL (with Boston a few years back)....What the White Sox need, should they make a trade of Garland, is flexibility in return, meaning they would want young players to fill holes in OF, SS, possibly 2B, and in the bullpen. From all reports that I read, Garland is not available, but that seems rather odd to me if they don't at least explore trade possibilities (perhaps they are waiting until the off-season) for a player one year away from free agency. This is a catch-22 though - if you move Garland, it's unlikely the White Sox compete in the tough AL Central with young/questionable starting pitching, but if they keep him though next season, chances are he goes into free agency, and leaves the White Sox. At this point, moving Contreras should be Kenny's main objective. It's hard to believe anyone would want a pitcher who's been as bad as he has since last year's all star break, and who is under contract for a few more seasons, but hopefully they can find that desperate team out there.

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Author:	Bulldog Scott [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:36 pm ]
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Keyser Soze wrote: Here's a possible trade for ya OBJ: According to ESPN's Peter Gammons, the Braves and White Sox have talked about swapping Edgar Renteria and Jon Garland. It makes some sense, as the Braves have Yunel Escobar to plug in at shortstop. However, they'd likely want the White Sox to pick up some money to even up the salaries. Renteria is owed $9 million next year, while Garland is due $12 million. Even if the money could be worked out, a deal still seems like a long shot. No way the Sox do that deal. Renteria was horrible in his one year in the AL. Plus, he's 4-5 years older than Garland.

Author:	OakBrookJoe [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:36 pm ]
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Quote: Here's a possible trade for ya OBJ: According to ESPN's Peter Gammons, the Braves and White Sox have talked about swapping Edgar Renteria and Jon Garland. That's tough. I like the trade, but that is a lot of pitching they would have to replace for next year.

Author:	BD [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:41 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: i still would be reluctant to trade garland or vazquez. sure they're both making a lot of $, but all garland has done is lead the league in wins from 05-06, and he's really come into his own. i know he's struggled a bit lately, but he's still pretty young and under "market value" so im questioning why everyone would want to get rid of garland. vazquez has pitched damn good for the vast majority of the season as well. any guy that will consistently give you 200 innings, 200 strikeouts, with an ERA around 4.5 or so is going to be a commoddity in the AL. the sox have lots of things to fix if they expect to compete for a playoff spot in 2008, 09, or 10 but a rotation that sets up like Buehrle, Garland, Vazquez, Danks is a very positive step in the right direction an aside, posting at work rules! It's extremely difficult to see the White Sox winning enough games to compete in the AL Central without at least Buerhle, Garland and Vazquez heading up the rotation. That's also probably what Kenny Williams is thinking as well because he doesn't believe he needs to overhaul the team. My only question with that is, how do you retool the offense without trading a pitcher unless you are going to increase the payroll and/or turn to Sweeney in RF, possibly Fields in LF (if Crede is healthy enough to play 3B), Richar (acquired from Arizona about a month ago, and is hitting well i the minors) at 2B, and then looking outside for a CF (A.Rowand?) in free agency. Basically, if he goes this route, it's a youth movement in half the offense, and that's difficult to win with as well.

Author:	OakBrookJoe [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:45 pm ]
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I was thinking that too BD. Put Fields in left next year. Sweeney/BA in right. Get a Centerfielder in free agency and have Erdstad as the backup OF. I think they need to trade for a SS without giving up Buerhle, Garland, Vasquez and get bull pen help via free agency.

Author:	BD [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:19 pm ]
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OakBrookJoe wrote: I was thinking that too BD. Put Fields in left next year. Sweeney/BA in right. Get a Centerfielder in free agency and have Erdstad as the backup OF. I think they need to trade for a SS without giving up Buerhle, Garland, Vasquez and get bull pen help via free agency. Fields will be an interesting case. If they aren't able to work out a long-term deal with Crede, do they just play him at 3B for one season since his trade value would be low ? If they do that, do they send Fields back to the minors to continue working at 3B or do they move him to LF and risk moving a young player to a new position ? If they do that, it would probably only be for a year, so there's a lot to be decided about Josh Fields.

Author:	BD [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:24 pm ]
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OakBrookJoe wrote: I was thinking that too BD. Put Fields in left next year. Sweeney/BA in right. Get a Centerfielder in free agency and have Erdstad as the backup OF. I think they need to trade for a SS without giving up Buerhle, Garland, Vasquez and get bull pen help via free agency. I don't see the White Sox acquiring help for the bullpen via free agency. The cost for middle relief help is now in the 4-5 million range, and the Whiet Sox, even with the horrible bullpen, probably are still only looking to fill, at most, one late innning setup role, and the rest would be 5-7thin inning pitchers. Here's how I see it - you have 7 spots (possibly 6) to fill: 1) Jenks - closer 2) Thorton - setup 3) MacDogle - undefined role, probably hoping for setup, but he is under contract so he will be here. 4) Haegar - if he keeps this up, he'll play a key role, though probably not a setup guy 5) Logan - he's been mixed this year, but is a lefty specialist so that will probably earn him a spot if he doesn't fall on his face. 6) ??? 7) ??? - At least one of those spots will probably be filled by someone we have already seen this season, like Aardsma if he can get his stuff back.

Author:	good dolphin [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:26 pm ]
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BD wrote: OakBrookJoe wrote: Fields will be an interesting case. If they aren't able to work out a long-term deal with Crede, do they just play him at 3B for one season since his trade value would be low ? If they do that, do they send Fields back to the minors to continue working at 3B or do they move him to LF and risk moving a young player to a new position ? If they do that, it would probably only be for a year, so there's a lot to be decided about Josh Fields. Send Fields back to the minors. It extends the time until he gets full free agency. Crede will be gone by August 1, as they will not deal with Boras in a free agent environment.

Author:	Beardown [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:46 pm ]
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The Sox have Crede's rights for 1 more year. They can go to arbitration with him. They don't have to deal with Boras yet. It's still alot of money. The arbitrator will give him 6-8 million. I say the Sox should do that. It's a risk cuz he could break down again or he could be bad. But if he's good for 2 months next year then you can deal him for something and that team will take on 66% of that one year deal. Fields can start in left field next year and go back to 3rd if this plan works and you can trade Crede. If they non tender him that sucks but I'd understand. It sucks cuz the Sox stuck with this kid. Made him a good player and will get nothing in return for him.

Author:	Keyser Soze [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:51 pm ]
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Quote: At least one of those spots will probably be filled by someone we have already seen this season, like Aardsma if he can get his stuff back. That's the rub with Aardsma. He didn't lose his stuff. His fastball is straighter than a honeymoon hard-on and that only gets major league hitters out for so long. Kenny is stuck with these bad moves he made.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:54 pm ]
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the only good thing about aardsma is all he gave up was neal cotts, who is now in the minors and is yet another guy who he caught lightning in a bottle with in 2005

Author:	BD [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:39 pm ]
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Beardown wrote: The Sox have Crede's rights for 1 more year. They can go to arbitration with him. They don't have to deal with Boras yet. It's still alot of money. The arbitrator will give him 6-8 million. I say the Sox should do that. It's a risk cuz he could break down again or he could be bad. But if he's good for 2 months next year then you can deal him for something and that team will take on 66% of that one year deal. Fields can start in left field next year and go back to 3rd if this plan works and you can trade Crede. If they non tender him that sucks but I'd understand. It sucks cuz the Sox stuck with this kid. Made him a good player and will get nothing in return for him. If there is a possibility of having to pay Crede 6-8 million, I wouldn't be surprised if they non-tendered him, and just went with Fields at 3B.