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| Author: | Beardown [ Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Jose Contreras - Worst starting pitcher in baseball |
That's not an opinion. That's a fact. You can forget that trade. Even if the Sox eat half of his remaining contract. Who the hell wants him? Teams have kids in the minors who can post a 5.50 ERA. That's better the Jose. 19 earned runs in his last 2 starts. He's signed for 2 more years at 10 million per year right? Jeez. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:28 pm ] |
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Wow. I just did the math. Jose's ERA went from 5.76 to 6.20 after todays performance. You have to be the worst pitcher with that ERA. No team allows a guy to pitch if they are that high. Jose's next goal - Can he lose 20 games this year? That's tough to do. Probably won't get the chance. Might as well shut him down and play the kids if you can't trade him. |
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| Author: | BD [ Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:55 pm ] |
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He is horrible, and we should throw a party for Kenny if he's able to convince some team to take him, and his bloated contract. |
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| Author: | Mr. Reason [ Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:59 pm ] |
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BD wrote: He is horrible, and we should throw a party for Kenny if he's able to convince some team to take him, and his bloated contract.
For that to happen, Kenny is going to have to convince the Chairman to eat a portion of that bloated contract. Otherwise the Sox are stuck with him. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:04 pm ] |
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It's not even that. They could offer to eat half of it and it wouldn't matter. Who the hell wants a guy with a 6.20 ERA? Nobody. The 6.20 is misleading as well. He has to be like a 10 or a 12 ERA in his last 7 or 8 starts. Every team has some ass hole in the minors that could give you a 6.00 ERA. Why would you trade for an old man to give you that? Kenny waited too long. He probably could have moved him a month ago. Wouldn't have gotten much but the contract releif was the most important thing. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:25 pm ] |
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Well. You're gonna get your wish Nas. They will hold on to him because they have no other options. They're not gonna release him with that contract. Might as well pray he gets it together next year. You have to pay him every dime if you release him anyway. They should shut him down however. Why risk getting him hurt since you have to bring him back next year? Let Charlie Haeger, Gio Gonzonleaz, Gavin Floyd or Nick Masset take his spot in the rotation. Get the MLB growing pains out of the way now for these guys. That's the only option that makes sense. So it probably won't happen. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:22 am ] |
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I would start him until the trade deadline. After that, move him to the bullpen. Who knows, maybe he can do something in one inning bursts. Still, it looks like we are stuck with him as a starter going into next year. |
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:30 am ] |
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As PT Barnum once said, there's a sucker born every minute. The Mets are desperate for starting pitching that I would offer to pay for this year and take a low level prospect to move him. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:34 am ] |
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Thinking back to last year Hawkeye, the Cardinals trade for Weaver and he helped them to win a world series. He was worse than Contrearas, however, he was not signed for two more years. |
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:40 am ] |
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And in reality, I believe he was released by the initial club and was in essence a free agent. |
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| Author: | BD [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:52 am ] |
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To move Contreras, which I find highly doubtful, the White Sox would probably have to put in at least $10 million, and then also not get anything back as well (not that you could get much for a guy with a 6+ ERA with a big contract). Hopefully, the Mets are that stupid. |
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| Author: | hawkeye [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:59 am ] |
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It makes ZERO sense to trade him now, especially since they'll have to pony up a bunch of money anyways. Put him in the bullpen or sit him down the rest of the year. He's old and maybe the rest will do him good next year. Or, maybe you'll find a gem of a reliever and he'll get back to throwing 94 or 95 with some consistency. Bring in a young guy like Haeger or Floyd and let them start the rest of the year to see what you have. Hell, I'd rather see Gio than those two but I doubt we'll see him for the next year or 2 at all. Now repeat after me...Rest or Reliever, Rest or Reliever... |
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| Author: | BD [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:12 am ] |
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hawkeye wrote: It makes ZERO sense to trade him now, especially since they'll have to pony up a bunch of money anyways. Put him in the bullpen or sit him down the rest of the year. He's old and maybe the rest will do him good next year. Or, maybe you'll find a gem of a reliever and he'll get back to throwing 94 or 95 with some consistency. Bring in a young guy like Haeger or Floyd and let them start the rest of the year to see what you have. Hell, I'd rather see Gio than those two but I doubt we'll see him for the next year or 2 at all. Now repeat after me...Rest or Reliever, Rest or Reliever...
I don't think there's a scenario, even in the off-season, where the White Sox won't have to pick up a sizable portion of his contract. |
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:13 am ] |
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For all the Gio Gonzalez love, I dont see him being called up seeing as he is not on the 40 man roster. I don't think they will release anyone currently on the 40 man to make room (unless they made a trade along the way here) |
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| Author: | hawkeye [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:21 am ] |
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Hawkeye Vince wrote: For all the Gio Gonzalez love, I dont see him being called up seeing as he is not on the 40 man roster. I don't think they will release anyone currently on the 40 man to make room (unless they made a trade along the way here)
I think it's just because he's so young and they don't want to bring him up before he's ready when they don't really have a good reason to yet. BD that's exactly why they shouldn't trade him. He's guaranteed 10mil next year so lets see if we can at least get 5mil in value for him by keeping him either as a reliever (test out 2nd half) or as a 5th starter with the potential for some good games. If we can get "5 mil of reliever quality" next year than it's a bonus because we'd have to hypothetically pay that 5mil plus to another team to get rid of him. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:27 am ] |
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There are plenty of playoff caliber teams with Contrearas types acting as 5th starters. You could live with keeping him in that role next year. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:44 am ] |
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he's worse than todd ritchie. at least gio speaks spanish. for some reason, ozzie seems to love the latin players. remember timo perez? yeah, that old slow firstbasemen we had in 2005.. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:45 am ] |
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I figured it out right after Jose was pulled. Whitesox.com doesn't add it up that quick. It took me 10 seconds. ER / Innings x 9. Not that tough. You guys might be right. We're stuck with him so maybe he's a bullpen guy next year. 10 million for a set up guy is pretty steep. But we have no choice. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:04 pm ] |
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i agree with hawkeye. he is going zewro good for the team or himself right now, so just set him down and let one of the younger guys come up and learn here at the big league level. alan trammel let all his pitchers learn at the MB level and take thier lumps, and look at that staff now |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:23 pm ] |
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My new favorite past time. Figuring out how high Contreras ERA goes after each start. It went from 6.22 to 6.60 after todays abortion. 2.2 innings and 7 runs. He's gonna get those 20 losses if they keep running him out there. He had 13 coming in. This is the worst pitching year by any Sox that I can remember. We're stuck with him for 2 years. Shut him down I say. Keep him healthy at least. If he struggles next april we're just gonna have to cut him. You can't have this shit. |
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| Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:46 pm ] |
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It really doesn't matter at this point my good man, but I do agree with you regardless. He certainly seemed to peak in 2005 and has been on the downward spiral ever since. |
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:53 pm ] |
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Beardown wrote: My new favorite past time. Figuring out how high Contreras ERA goes after each start.
It went from 6.22 to 6.60 after todays abortion. 2.2 innings and 7 runs. He's gonna get those 20 losses if they keep running him out there. He had 13 coming in. This is the worst pitching year by any Sox that I can remember. The worst since Todd Ritchie back in 2002. I think he was 5-15 with above a 6 ERA |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:46 pm ] |
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Ozzie said he might pull him from the rotation. Thanks for listening Ozzie. Guys, in Jose's last 11 starts he's 1-10 with a 10.00 ERA. That might be the worst 11 consecutive starts in the history of the game. I'm serious. Somebody look that up or call John Dewan. It has to be. Nobody would be allowed to make the 8th start, let alone 11 starts. I'm sure guys have lost more than 11 in a row before but not with a 10 ERA. |
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| Author: | WestmontMike [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:09 am ] |
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The last 10 starts for all White Sox starting pitchers....one of these things is not like the other, try and guess which one. Buehrle 6-3, 2.18 ERA Vazquez 5-2, 3.14 ERA Garland 4-4, 4.76 ERA Danks 3-3, 5.74 ERA Contreras 1-9, 9.27 ERA Also the bullpen is 2-8 over this same span |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:12 am ] |
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I was expecting more from Garland. |
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| Author: | kerchungathunk [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:12 am ] |
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How the hell did Buehrle lose three games with that ERA? Low 2 ERA in the AL over ten starts? That is very, very impressive! |
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| Author: | WestmontMike [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:24 am ] |
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Darkside wrote: I was expecting more from Garland.
Garland has a 3.36 ERA without the 3 inning/11 earned run bitch slappin he took from Minnesota a month ago |
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| Author: | BD [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:05 pm ] |
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WestmontMike wrote: Darkside wrote: I was expecting more from Garland. Garland has a 3.36 ERA without the 3 inning/11 earned run bitch slappin he took from Minnesota a month ago Yeah, Garland has been fine. He will go through occassional rough stretches, but the majority of his outings have been solid/good/excellent. |
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| Author: | OldSchoolScoreFan [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:07 pm ] |
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BD wrote: WestmontMike wrote: Darkside wrote: I was expecting more from Garland. Garland has a 3.36 ERA without the 3 inning/11 earned run bitch slappin he took from Minnesota a month ago Yeah, Garland has been fine. He will go through occassional rough stretches, but the majority of his outings have been solid/good/excellent. Garland got torched again today, but that will happen. The Sox torched the Rocket. I read somewhere that Jose will he skipped on his next turn. Maybe move him to the pen, you never know. Or, shut him down for the year. He is just killing us now. |
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| Author: | BD [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:18 pm ] |
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OldSchoolScoreFan wrote: BD wrote: WestmontMike wrote: Darkside wrote: I was expecting more from Garland. Garland has a 3.36 ERA without the 3 inning/11 earned run bitch slappin he took from Minnesota a month ago Yeah, Garland has been fine. He will go through occassional rough stretches, but the majority of his outings have been solid/good/excellent. Garland got torched again today, but that will happen. The Sox torched the Rocket. I read somewhere that Jose will he skipped on his next turn. Maybe move him to the pen, you never know. Or, shut him down for the year. He is just killing us now. Yeah, it seems when Garland doesn't have it, he gets killed out there with today being an excellent example. Contreras has been moved out of the rotation, and I hope they shut him down for the rest of the season. He has no confidence right now, and I'd let him start his winter vacation about 2 months early. I want Gavin Floyd, regardless of how bad he may end up being, getting the last 2 months worth of starts. |
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