Willy Mo could be an awesome one two punch with Fields in the American league strikeout race in 2008.
Both could approach 200 K's if playing full time.
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:29 pm ] |
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Rumor out of Boston is Dye for Willy Mo Pena and either a reliever(Manny Delcarmen, 25y.o righty who's up with the BoSox) or a AA prospect pitcher (Justin Masterson, currently 4-0 with a 1.04 ERA in AA) |
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| Author: | hawkeye [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:37 pm ] |
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I'll take the arms but keep Willy Mo away from the Sox. First, he suffers from twisted hat syndrom Captain Cheesburger suffers from in Cleveland (see link below). Second, why do we need another outfield guy who can't hit for shit? He's at .229 right now. If you're going to do that just bring up Anderson and at least it will be fun watching Ozzie treat him like a punching bag. http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=276377 |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:45 pm ] |
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Willie Mo is probably signed for a couple years. I'll bet he makes Boston eat some of his salary. Although I don't think he makes much. Kenny's thinking this is another guy that has had a rough stretch and he can turn it around with the Sox. That's why he got Dye. I don't know if he's right but that's his thinking. |
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| Author: | Stinkfinger The Crow [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:46 pm ] |
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Additionally, Wily Mo is a butcher in the field. |
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| Author: | Mustang Rob [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:52 pm ] |
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Willy Mo could be an awesome one two punch with Fields in the American league strikeout race in 2008. Both could approach 200 K's if playing full time.
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| Author: | Beardown [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:52 pm ] |
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I looked up Willie's stats. He's 25. His most at bats was 336 in a season. 2004 with the Reds. He had 26 homers that year. Shit, is he a high strike out guy. If he plays a whole season he'll strike out 175 times easily based on his history in limited seasons. He's a poor average guy. He did hit .300 last year in like 250 at bats. But it looks like he's a .240 to .250 guy. |
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| Author: | hawkeye [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:56 pm ] |
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Beardown wrote: I looked up Willie's stats. He's 25. His most at bats was 336 in a season. 2004 with the Reds. He had 26 homers that year. Shit, is he a high strike out guy. If he plays a whole season he'll strike out 175 times easily based on his history in limited seasons. He's a poor average guy. He did hit .300 last year in like 250 at bats. But it looks like he's a .240 to .250 guy.
So he's the slanty hat version of Juan Uribe. No thanks. |
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| Author: | Chus [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:05 pm ] |
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Think about how much fun Hawk will have saying Wily Mo Pena on a daily basis. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:21 pm ] |
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Could be. I wouldn't say no. In his 26 homer season that would have projected to 45 homers had he gotton a full season of at bats. He had that season at 22 years of age. That's impressive. I don't know why he hasn't gotton playing time. At 25 you're getting him at his peak and maybe he'll put it all together for the Sox. |
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| Author: | NotInTheBiz [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:27 pm ] |
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I disagree. Are we to believe the great Ozzie is willing to deal with another plodder? |
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| Author: | BD [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:28 pm ] |
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hawkeye wrote: I'll take the arms but keep Willy Mo away from the Sox. First, he suffers from twisted hat syndrom Captain Cheesburger suffers from in Cleveland (see link below). Second, why do we need another outfield guy who can't hit for shit? He's at .229 right now. If you're going to do that just bring up Anderson and at least it will be fun watching Ozzie treat him like a punching bag.
http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=276377 I'm with you on Pena. Teams have been wowed by his potential, and he can hit HR's, but you have to hit better than .229. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:29 pm ] |
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i dont like this deal. you cant get anymore for a jermaine dye than mopena? |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:37 pm ] |
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i know what he's gonna say. and i dont care. i still think you could have gotten more than one A relief pitcher for a guy that was called the "MVP of the 2005 world championship season" by his manager. |
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| Author: | NotInTheBiz [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:38 pm ] |
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David Ortiz says Wily can be better than he (Ortiz) is. The Twins did give up on Ortiz too early in his career, but I still feel he's a better fit, elsewhere. |
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| Author: | Stinkfinger The Crow [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:44 pm ] |
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Coach Crapowski wrote: I'd rather see Willy Mo Kena. Pardon the obscure reference.
I still miss him. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:49 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: No one is offering more for Dye and the Sox don't have a lot of leverage. I wouldn't have an issue if they traded Dye for Pena straight up.
I'm not saying this isn't true, I just find it hard to believe. Dye would be a nice asset on any number of contending teams and the most anyone will offer is Pena? I realize it's a half-season rent a player, but I'd rather have 2 or 3 AA prospects than Pena |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:59 pm ] |
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Frank, You can only get what they want to give you. You don't think Kenny is looking for the absolute most value he can get in a Dye trade? It's not like he's saying "Hmmm, the Tigers are offering Verlander, but the hell with that. I'm gonna take the lessor deal in Willie Mo Pena." He's trying to get the max deal. So Frank, when you ask "Why can't they get more?" The answer is now and always will be because that is all they can get." I've never met a GM that turns down higher value for the lessor value. |
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:06 pm ] |
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Dave Van Dyck is now reporting that the talks have stalled between the White Sox and Boston as the Red Sox do not want to include either of the young pitchers in the deal. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:10 pm ] |
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What Kenny needs to do is lie to the Red Sox and say he has another team he'll trade Dye to unless they concede. Who knows maybe it won't be a lie and there will be another team to jump in. The Red Sox might bite to keep Dye from hurting them in the post season with another team. |
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| Author: | WestmontMike [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:13 pm ] |
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Anyone think Kenny Williams wants to sign Dye just so he can get max value (good player under contract worth much more than good player not under contract) in a trade in the off-season?....or perhaps these negotiations w/Dye are just a way to compete with the Red Sox for Dye without having any other real competition from other teams. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:19 pm ] |
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Maybe. But why wouldn't Dye just play the year out and see what he can get from a team he wants to go to. If the Sox pony up then he'll play for the White Sox. Why would a team trade for Dye in the offseason after the Sox sign him when they could just sign him themselves without giving up anything? If Dye does sign before the season ends he'll want a "no trade" for next year at least. Otherwise he'll tell the Sox to fuck off and I'll see what I can get in free agency. |
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| Author: | WestmontMike [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:29 pm ] |
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Beardown wrote: Maybe. But why wouldn't Dye just play the year out and see what he can get from a team he wants to go to. If the Sox pony up then he'll play for the White Sox.
Why would a team trade for Dye in the offseason after the Sox sign him when they could just sign him themselves without giving up anything? If Dye does sign before the season ends he'll want a "no trade" for next year at least. Otherwise he'll tell the Sox to fuck off and I'll see what I can get in free agency. I'm just saying that Kenny is negotiating with no intentions of really signing Dye...it's just to make Boston maybe add something to the deal that they might not otherwise |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:30 pm ] |
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Beardown wrote: Who knows maybe it won't be a lie and there will be another team to jump in. The Red Sox might bite to keep Dye from hurting them in the post season with another team.
It wouldn't be a lie as it has been reported the Angels, Mets and Padres are also interested in Dye. I think whoever gets Dye is going to end up thrilled with the trade. He traditionally is very streaky and right now he is hot. I would not be shocked to see him hit .290 with double digit home runs the rest of the way. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:36 pm ] |
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He's hitting .333 in the 2nd half. Hell yeah, he will help a team. I think he had sore legs in the first half plus he's a traditional bad first month player. The only exception was last year. He's only 33. He's not done. Hell, he's gonna end up with 30-35 homers this year. If the Sox were to resign him in the off season to a 2 year deal I wouldn't be pissed. The greatest scenerio would be trading him for something now and still resigning him in the off season. Because it wasn't a great over all year for him you might get a reasonable rate. Had he been a free agent last year Dye would have got a four year deal at 14-15 million per year. Now he might get a 2 year deal for 20-22 million. That sounds reasonable. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:06 pm ] |
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You gotta love Kenny. Kenny - Give me Willie Mo and that kid pitcher. Boston - No. Just Willie. Kenny - Fuck you we'll just resign the SOB. You've got 24 hours to change your mind. Plus San Diego and Aneheim might give me what I want. I'll give you that chance right now to commit. Give me that kid before I call back the Padres or the Angels. Yes or no? Yes or no? Yes or no? Boston - No. Kenny - Fine. Yankees are calling. Gotta go. Boston - What? Yankees. Wait Kenny. Hello? Hello? |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:26 pm ] |
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i think kenny just has a thing for the phillies GM |
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| Author: | BD [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:46 pm ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: i think kenny just has a thing for the phillies GM
We've already taken Gavin Floyd from them. They have nothing left. (sarcasm intended) |
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