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if it was mariano rivera that accomplised this, you bet your ass it would get loads of pub

Frank Coztansa wrote:

if it was mariano rivera that accomplised this, you bet your ass it would get loads of pub

If it were Ryan Dempster who accomplished this, you bet your ass you guys would be making fun of Cubs fans for getting excited about it, especially in a losing season.

It is not nearly as impressive for a reliever as it is for a starting pitcher.
A starter has to face the same hitters multiple times in a game. Jenks sees them once. It's a good accomplishment but no one will remember it in ten years.

starter or reliever, any pitcher that sits down 41 guys in a row in this day and age is one hellava fucking great pitcher.

Remember when Andre Dawson won The MVP in 87. That was awesome dude. Cubs finished in last but Dawson hit 49 that year. GO CUBBIES!!!!

Look, I just started a thread saying it was a good acomplishment for Jenks and that it's a more significant record then even I gave it credit before Jenks hit it. That's all. Nothing more and nothing less.

I promise. The next time a Cub player does something great in a losing season I won't rip Cubs fans if they enjoy it. Happy?

Mr. Reason wrote:

I don't actually feel one way or another about it being harder for a starter, but I'd think you could also say it's harder for a reliever as he'd need his good stuff 10 times whereas a starter would only need his good stuff in 2 games. Although I don't even think anybody outside of Chicago would even remember it next year, let alone 10.

Edit: What he said while I was typing this

Consecutive plate appearances reaching base (official) (only includes outcomes that increase on-base percentage: base hit, walk, or hit-by-pitch)

17 - Piggy Ward, Baltimore Orioles and Cincinnati Reds - June 16 through June 19, 1893 (8 hits, 8 walks, 1 hit-by-pitch)

16 - Ted Williams, Boston Red Sox - September 17 through September 24, 1957 (6 hits, 9 walks, 1 hit-by-pitch) (best since 1900)

Author:	Beardown [ Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:19 pm ]
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This really is an amazing acomplishment. Especially for a closer. The top two guys Jenks just passed and tied were starters. So they both piggy backed on their perfect games. Those guys got to do it on 2 days. Jenks did this over 13 days or so. Amazing. Sox have had good luck with Bobby closers. Thigpen holds the MLB saves reccord - 57 in 1990. Jenks holds the MLB consecutive retired reccord - 41 in 2007 (still going)

Author:	M_C [ Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:21 pm ]
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I think it would be a lot harder to do this over 2 days as a starter, am actually suprised starters were holding this record

Author:	Beardown [ Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:28 pm ]
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Think about it. A starter only has to rely on having his good stuff twice. Jenks had to do it without his good stuff sometimes on a couple different occasions I'm sure. It's great for a closer or a starter. I just think it's tougher as a closer.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:02 pm ]
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c'mon jermaine.....YESSS! tip of the ole cap to baaaad bobby

Author:	Beardown [ Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:43 pm ]
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I'll admit I had no idea who held this reccord until Jenks came upon it. I'm sure most baseball fans didn't. But it's not one of those bullshit reccords. It's pretty significant when you think about it. I think it's the pitchers equivilent to Dimagio's hitting streak. Do you guys agree? It doesn't get the pub or aclaim but 41 straight retired is pretty amazing. Hopefully he can extend this and maybe put it in the class of "this one will never be broken."

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Author:	Chus [ Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:04 pm ]
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ESPN would break it down for a week, if Rivera did it.

Author:	Beardown [ Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:35 pm ]
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I would say the only streak - for a pitcher - bigger then this would be the shut out streak. Orel Hershiser topped Drysdale in 1988 for this reccord. I think it's like 55 innings without giving up a run.

Author:	NotInTheBiz [ Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:41 am ]
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Since the family and I were at the game, it was the only reason to hang on until the end. After 8 innings of sun baked torture, it was pretty cool (npi) to see him tie the record at home. Even though it's one of "records" that no knew about, it is a helluva accomplishment.

Author:	Tall Midget [ Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:29 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: if it was mariano rivera that accomplised this, you bet your ass it would get loads of pub If it were Ryan Dempster who accomplished this, you bet your ass you guys would be making fun of Cubs fans for getting excited about it, especially in a losing season.

Author:	good dolphin [ Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:41 pm ]
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Tall Midget wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: if it was mariano rivera that accomplised this, you bet your ass it would get loads of pub If it were Ryan Dempster who accomplished this, you bet your ass you guys would be making fun of Cubs fans for getting excited about it, especially in a losing season. ...and closing out the 9th inning of a loss.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:12 pm ]
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ryan dempster should worry about ritiring the side in order once

Author:	Hawkeye Vince [ Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:15 pm ]
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Ryan Dempster should worry about being arrested for stealing 5M/year.

Author:	Tall Midget [ Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:17 pm ]
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Don't get me wrong, I am a huge Sox fan. But this effusive praise for Jenks--especially the comparison to the hit streak record--is absurd, sad, and very reminiscent of the intellectual bankruptcy Sox fans normally associate with the North Side lemmings.

Author:	Beardown [ Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:23 pm ]
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Hey Midget. It's not the Dimagio record. I know that. I said it was the pitching equivilent. After thinking better it's the 2nd best thing a pitcher can do. Hershiser's shut out streak is greater. Dimagio's is better. But even that streak can be maintained with a 1-5 day. Jenks has to be perfect and also rely on his defense not to make an error. It's way more significant then you give it credit. The record stood for 35 years. This game has been played for over 100 years. Jenks and another guy are the only ones to do it. You would think this would have been done in the dead ball era with the higher mounds. It wasn't. To do it in this era makes it more impressive. By no means does it make up for the bad season nor am I throwing a party over this.

Author:	Beardown [ Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:10 pm ]
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Cool. Thanks Doc. Now I don't feel so embarrased to admit this. I am throwing a Bobby Jenks party. YOU DID IT BOBBY!!!! YOU REALLY DID IT!!!!! WEEEEEEEEE!!!!

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Author:	KDdidit [ Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:28 pm ]
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Nothing wrong for looking for a silver lining as a Sox fan. He's a good pitcher and it's a better than average record in impressiveness I'd say.

Author:	Mr. Reason [ Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:31 pm ]
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It is not nearly as impressive for a reliever as it is for a starting pitcher. A starter has to face the same hitters multiple times in a game. Jenks sees them once. It's a good accomplishment but no one will remember it in ten years.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:37 pm ]
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i think its even harder for a reliever. he had to come into what like..17 different games, have his good stuff, not hit/walk a guy, and have solid defense behind him, all with the late game pressure of getting, usually, outs #25, 26, and 27. starter or reliever, any pitcher that sits down 41 guys in a row in this day and age is one hellava fucking great pitcher.

Author:	KDdidit [ Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:40 pm ]
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Mr. Reason wrote: It is not nearly as impressive for a reliever as it is for a starting pitcher. A starter has to face the same hitters multiple times in a game. Jenks sees them once. It's a good accomplishment but no one will remember it in ten years. I don't actually feel one way or another about it being harder for a starter, but I'd think you could also say it's harder for a reliever as he'd need his good stuff 10 times whereas a starter would only need his good stuff in 2 games. Although I don't even think anybody outside of Chicago would even remember it next year, let alone 10. Edit: What he said while I was typing this

Author:	Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:51 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: starter or reliever, any pitcher that sits down 41 guys in a row in this day and age is one hellava fucking great pitcher. Wasn't this Jim Barr's record? He was many things, including a beanball artist to Bill Madlock, but I don't think he was fucking great. I agree with Midget. If this were the Cubs fans in a losing season, you would all be roasting us alive. As it is, it is a nice accomplishment and he should be proud. If it were really that unbelieveable, more people would know about this record. Hershiser's scoreless inning record is much more remarkable to me.

Author:	Beardown [ Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:56 pm ]
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Remember when Andre Dawson won The MVP in 87. That was awesome dude. Cubs finished in last but Dawson hit 49 that year. GO CUBBIES!!!! Look, I just started a thread saying it was a good acomplishment for Jenks and that it's a more significant record then even I gave it credit before Jenks hit it. That's all. Nothing more and nothing less. I promise. The next time a Cub player does something great in a losing season I won't rip Cubs fans if they enjoy it. Happy?

Author:	Mr. Reason [ Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:01 pm ]
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Beardown wrote: Happy? Not especially, but thanks for your concern.

Author:	Beardown [ Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:20 pm ]
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Yeah. I matched up a nice theme for the party. I'm getting 3 kegs of Colt 45. Get it?

Author:	Mr. Reason [ Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:13 pm ]
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KDdidit wrote: Mr. Reason wrote: It is not nearly as impressive for a reliever as it is for a starting pitcher. A starter has to face the same hitters multiple times in a game. Jenks sees them once. It's a good accomplishment but no one will remember it in ten years. I don't actually feel one way or another about it being harder for a starter, but I'd think you could also say it's harder for a reliever as he'd need his good stuff 10 times whereas a starter would only need his good stuff in 2 games. Although I don't even think anybody outside of Chicago would even remember it next year, let alone 10. Edit: What he said while I was typing this I guess I come from the are of the complete game and the 3 inning save. I probably don't have as much respect for the new era one inning "specialists" as I should. But when you know you're only going one inning, I think it is easier than having to face the middle of the order thumpers three or four times. How often do closers get to face face the bottom of the order? I compare it to a batter reaching base for X number of games in a row. Remember a few seasons ago when Jeter reached base for the first how many ever games in a row? I recall him doing it but cannot tell you how many it was. In my opinion, Jenks record only goes back as far as the new era bullpen, about 25 years. What's amazing to me is that starting pitchers still had it after all these years. Maybe it's a greater accomplishment than I thought. Maybe being a one inning guy is more difficult. I don't think so, but let's see how long Jenks record lasts. In any event, none of this takes away from his fine record setting accomplishment for a losing team. Thirty years ago a bad bullpen wouldn't ruin a whole season like it does now. If not for their horrible bullpen, the Sox would be right in the thick of the Central race.

Author:	Mustang Rob [ Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:03 pm ]
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This record is akin to: Quote: Consecutive plate appearances reaching base (official) (only includes outcomes that increase on-base percentage: base hit, walk, or hit-by-pitch) 17 - Piggy Ward, Baltimore Orioles and Cincinnati Reds - June 16 through June 19, 1893 (8 hits, 8 walks, 1 hit-by-pitch) 16 - Ted Williams, Boston Red Sox - September 17 through September 24, 1957 (6 hits, 9 walks, 1 hit-by-pitch) (best since 1900) It's amazing when you sit back and think about it, but hardly something that's a "must know"