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| Author: | bigfan [ Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:49 pm ] |
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So, why did the city of Tampa Bay build a Dome without a team? |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:17 pm ] |
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cuz kenny and jerry wanted to tick you off and stay put in chicago |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:04 pm ] |
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That would be Jerry and Eddie at that time Franklin. Kenny was completing his well below below average career at that time. (yes, I would have loved to have a below below average MLB career) At least Kenny doesn't reference when he played in every statement, like a certain name dropping radio guy who was a mop up pitcher at best, but makes it sound like he was a cy young winner. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:07 am ] |
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bigfan wrote: So, why did the city of Tampa Bay build a Dome without a team?
It is no secret that Jerry held up the State of Illinois. What's your point? |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:18 am ] |
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How is this relevant in 2007? |
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| Author: | Tall Midget [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:53 am ] |
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Do you guys think the Bears should move Zorich to linebacker? |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:19 am ] |
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Tall Midget wrote: Do you guys think the Bears should move Zorich to linebacker?
He's overrated. But I think the White Sox should either play Craig Grebeck every day or trade him. He's not gonna become a better SS by sitting on the bench. |
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| Author: | hawkeye [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:05 am ] |
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Kid Cairo wrote: Tall Midget wrote: Do you guys think the Bears should move Zorich to linebacker? He's overrated. But I think the White Sox should either play Craig Grebeck every day or trade him. He's not gonna become a better SS by sitting on the bench. Yeah but they really need to get Ivan Calderon to play to his potential before they worry about their infielders. |
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| Author: | Chus [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:41 am ] |
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They should bring up Scott Ruffcorn from Charlotte. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:43 am ] |
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The White Sox will never have a closer as good as Bobby Thigpen. |
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| Author: | hawkeye [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:48 am ] |
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Coach Crapowski wrote: Does this thread secretly suggest that the White Sox are close to acquiring Carl Crawford?
No, but we Kenny should seriously get that Garland for Erstad trade completed finally. |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:04 am ] |
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WELCOME TO REINSDORF LEVERAGE STADIUM In exchange for the City of Tampa Helping Jerry Out they will be awarded a team, no matter how futile an effort an undeserving your city is. One Day Good Dolphin and whoever lese wants to share in the discussion, it will take more than one beer. And my sources are excellent. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:06 am ] |
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bigfan wrote: And my sources are excellent.
Are they Terry's peeps? |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:09 am ] |
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bigfan wrote: WELCOME TO REINSDORF LEVERAGE STADIUM
In exchange for the City of Tampa Helping Jerry Out they will be awarded a team, no matter how futile an effort an undeserving your city is. One Day Good Dolphin and whoever lese wants to share in the discussion, it will take more than one beer. And my sources are excellent. I don't really understand any of this. Are you feeling alright BF? Are you in the middle of an existential meltdown? |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:33 am ] |
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bigfan wrote: WELCOME TO REINSDORF LEVERAGE STADIUM
In exchange for the City of Tampa Helping Jerry Out they will be awarded a team, no matter how futile an effort an undeserving your city is. One Day Good Dolphin and whoever lese wants to share in the discussion, it will take more than one beer. And my sources are excellent. It seems like you are forwarding the discussion with this info. So you are saying JR assured Tampa of a team one way or another (either the Sox in a move or an expansion as a favor for putting pressure on Illinois). That does not sound outrageous as JR has the power within ownership circles to make this come about. I never doubt your sources. I know that they are highly placed, well informed and credible. I'll get you to spill the beans at the CFSMB Christmas/holiday party. By the way, did anyone catch Harry offhandedly remarking that he went to his good friend Johnathon Reinsdorf's bar mitzvah? |
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| Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:39 am ] |
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I'm sorry, what the heck is going on with all of this talk? Did I completely miss something on the news? |
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| Author: | Krazy Ivan [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:53 am ] |
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Where did this 'discussion' originate from? My head hurts... |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:57 am ] |
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BF is adding as much insight to the board as Mao these days. |
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| Author: | hawkeye [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:23 pm ] |
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I don't understand where all of this is coming from, especially now. The Sox are a horseshit team this year and are not a news story so why bring it up right now? When the Sox won it in 2005 I saw Jerry with my own eyes as an extremely proud and happy man, not some asshole scheister who only cares about money and screwing people over. He has shown great loyalty throughout the years with his employees and keeps them in the organization long term. He and Kenny get players to sign for under market value because they want to stay here and keep working for him. That's really all I need to know. |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:30 pm ] |
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Well said Hawk. They're bad this year but I don't really see the point in trying to dig the knife deeper. I don't care about Jerry's motivations. I just want to see the team do better. |
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| Author: | Mustang Rob [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:19 pm ] |
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Time for a Bigfan thought summary: 1) Jerry Reisndorf is a bad owner whe flexes his business muscles to get what he wants 2) Kenny Williams is a bad GM who sometimes get's lucky 3) The White Sox are a cheap 4) Jerry & KW are responsible for the delay in the installation of BF's brush guard. As a result, the White Sox won a World Series championship in 2005. And that's bad 
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| Author: | Krazy Ivan [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:30 pm ] |
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Mustang Rob wrote: Time for a Bigfan thought summary:
1) Jerry Reisndorf is a bad owner whe flexes his business muscles to get what he wants 2) Kenny Williams is a bad GM who sometimes get's lucky 3) The White Sox are a cheap 4) Jerry & KW are responsible for the delay in the installation of BF's brush guard. As a result, the White Sox won a World Series championship in 2005. And that's bad You are correct, Sire. |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:27 pm ] |
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1) Jerry Reisndorf is a bad owner whe flexes his business muscles to get what he wants. I don't think Jerry is a good owner, as far as his over involvment in League issues and State issues, I think he would be a GREAT commissioner but whay take the job when you are already running everything and you have Dope Bud taking the heat. LOL 2) Kenny Williams is a bad GM who sometimes get's lucky Who GOT Lucky and is below average, although I give him credit for creative deals because his owner does not want to spend money. 3) The White Sox are a cheap YES, but they will spend every dollar they make or every dollar they make from the state. 4) Jerry & KW are responsible for the delay in the installation of BF's brush guard. Give me a time. I may find a KW connection. And if Harry was at Jon Reinsdorf's Bar Mitzvah that would have been 25 years ago I would have thought Harry was busy filming 'Risky Business' yes Harry is in the Movie. Anyone have his line? |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:41 pm ] |
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Harry said Jonathon was bar mitvahed at age 37. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:43 pm ] |
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i know this is the pot calling the kettle black here, but since you think sox ownership is so terribly bad and they just happened to get lucky in 2005 (not to mention then won the division in 2000, and havent finished lower than 3rd in a fairly competetive division is almost a decade), whats so good about the ownership of your northside club? |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:23 pm ] |
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This is not about the Cubs and the Tribune. I will tell you that the Tribune ownership looks like really bad guys many times, because they are not as smart as Reinsdorf. If you are OK with all of your politicians being bought and being at the beckon call of Reinsdorf, fine. How many times did Jerry and his hand picked group known as the Ill Sports Authority (AKA Jerry's Kronies) tell everyone what a great deal this was for the Taxpayers? Funny, We (State of IL taxpayers) never got in on that United Center deal? FUJI Bank got that one and got paid back in 4 years. BAD is too much of an all encompassing statement, more like manipulative is a better way of putting it. I am not even telling you if I was in his position I would do anything different, thus the admiration, the fact remains, he does what he wants when he wants and gets in done in my opinion in unethical manners. (feel like I am about to give the Eric Stratton speech in Animal House) PART II Also I beg to differ. The divsion the White Sox have played in has been The Weakest in Baseball until last year. Cleveland had a good run, corresponding with the voting for the rebuilding of 'the Jake' and Detroit has not been good in 20 years until last year, so basically for 20 years the Chicago White Sox have been competing with the Minnesota Twins who have so little money and attendance, Bud wanted to close shop in Minnesota. Minn Since 1983, 6 Div titles and 2 World Series Sox since 1983 3 Div titles and 1 World Series (Congrats again to Ozzie, players and fans) Cleve since 1983 6 Div titles KC since 1983 2 Div Detroit since 1983 3 Div and they had Milwuakee for a few years The Sox organization has been competing against the SMALL Market teams since he entered the arena of baseball and is in the middle of the pack. They should have dominated that group for years |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:48 pm ] |
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prior to 1995, there was 2 divisions- the east and west. dont forget about the A's in the early 90s, who were in the sox division. and the cubs shouldnt have been dominating? they were competeing against mostly "small market" teams, and they had sammy sosa and the glorified museum that is wrigley field packed to the hilt 81 times a season. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:31 pm ] |
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Frank, why do you insist on bringing up the Cubs every time a valid argument is made. They may both suck, but they suck independent of each other. |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:22 pm ] |
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Thnak you GD (There will a be alittle soemthing in your next CSF gift box) Frank, realize the Sox owner is smarter than whatever member of the Lucky sperm club who has been out in charge of the Cubs year after year. Jerry makes rules when none exist and of course he gets them made in his favor. Similar to a certain HR king, who says there was no steroid rule and he is right. He never broke any rule. The Cubs Division, having Houston and St Louis are enough competition. Both organizations maximize all their talents and while neither spends like the Yankees and BoSox, they have a history of going for it with spending big money when they feel necessary. Such as acquistions of Clemens, Petite, this year signing C Lee and when they went to get Beltran for the stretch. St Louis is one of the GREAT organizations in Baseball. I do include Minnesota in that select group of GREAT organizations and maybe they would not be great if they had money? But they Maximize all talent within the organization. Houston and St Louis have been doing this for years and years, not just since 2006. While they have had their bad years, they always retooled and came back. |
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