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| Author: | Blender [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:01 pm ] |
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Picked up Orlando(?) Cabrera, SS From the Angels. I don't know how I feel about this move... |
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| Author: | Bulldog Scott [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:03 pm ] |
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It doesn't make any sense to me. I'm not a Sox fan, but I'd be pissed if I was. I need to know more about contracts and stuff, though, before I call this a really bad deal by Kenny. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:05 pm ] |
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*Clears space for bigfan to post* |
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| Author: | Woodridge Ryan [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:09 pm ] |
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Orlando Cabrera and cash considerations for Jon Garland kids.... Not a fan if I was a fan.... |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:22 pm ] |
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stupid move. picking up uribe makes zero sense now. i think im done with KW. |
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| Author: | Stinkfinger The Crow [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:24 pm ] |
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While I like Cabrera as a player, I probably would not have given up Garland for him. I also find it odd that Kenny would trade for a SS after resigning the supple buttocked Juan Uribe. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:26 pm ] |
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CHICAGO -- The Chicago White Sox have acquired Gold Glove Award-winning shortstop Orlando Cabrera and cash considerations from the Los Angeles Angels in exchange for right-handed pitcher Jon Garland. Cabrera, 33, batted .301 (192-for-638) with 35 doubles, eight home runs, 86 RBI, career-high 101 runs scored and 20 stolen bases in 155 games with the Angels in 2007. He tied for the American League lead with 11 sacrifice hits, ranked third with 63 multihit games and sixth in hits. Cabrera, who was third among AL shortstops in average and RBI, led the Angels in runs scored for the second straight season, and his career-best 192 hits were the most ever by an Angels shortstop. Cabrera, 5-foot-9 and 185 pounds, earned his second career Rawlings Gold Glove Award in 2007 after leading all AL shortstops in fielding percentage (.983) for the second time in the last three seasons. Cabrera's .982 fielding percentage over the last three seasons tops all AL shortstops. Cabrera is a career .273 (1,446-for-5,301) hitter with 341 doubles, 97 home runs, 627 RBI, 165 stolen bases and 706 runs scored over 11 major-league seasons with Montreal (1997-2004), Boston (2004) and the Angels (2005-07). He ranks fifth in the major leagues with 277 doubles since 2001, including a career-high 45 in 2006. Cabrera has stolen 20 or more bases five times. Cabrera tied the major-league record for shortstops with a .988 fielding percentage in 2005 and won a Gold Glove Award with Montreal in 2001. He has 27 games of postseason experience and was a member of the 2004 World Champion Boston Red Sox. Garland, 28, went 10-13 with a 4.23 ERA (98 ER/208.1 IP) and two complete games in 32 starts for the White Sox in 2007. He is 92-81 with a 4.41 ERA (700 ER/1,428.2 IP) in 246 games (223 starts) over eight major-league seasons, all with the White Sox. Garland was acquired by the White Sox from the Cubs on July 29, 1998 in exchange for pitcher Matt Karchner. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:29 pm ] |
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Cabrera is a HUGE upgrade at SS. I thought they were going to trade for him last off season. I think he's also in the final year of his contract. If that's the case I don't understand why you make this deal now. |
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| Author: | Bulldog Scott [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:29 pm ] |
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So, they gave up a 28 year old #2 or 3 starter for a 33 year old short stop coming off a career year. At least it's a contract year for Cabrerra... |
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| Author: | muman89 [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:47 pm ] |
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I don't understand this deal at all. If you don't re-sign Uribe, it makes a little bit of sense, but still not totally. So they trade a 28 year old #2/3 starter, a guy who got them innings and was pretty consistent over the last three/four seasons, for a 33 year old shortstop, making $9 million this year, with his deal up at the end. They now have $13.5 million committed to the shortstop position for this season, and are missing a solid starter, still have to address their shortstop position long term, (and have a ton of money tied up into that position) with holes still in CF, 2B, RP, and questions at 3B and LF. Makes no sense to me whatsoever. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:51 pm ] |
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yep. unless kenny makes another deal really soon (preferably one involving cabrera or ooribe), this is deal is not only bad, but a headscratcher. |
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| Author: | hawkeye [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:04 pm ] |
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I don't mind this deal too much right now. Garland was pretty bad last year and this is a much needed upgrade at short stop. Depending on what happens with Crede, they could put Fields in left field and Uribe at 3rd now. Or is things work out with Crede than Uribe is a bench sub for both 3rd and SS at not that steep a price. Or he's trade bait for a future deal for an outfielder or reliever. |
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| Author: | BD [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:07 pm ] |
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A few observations: 1) I don't see how the White Sox can compete with a roation featuring 3) Contreras 4) Denks 5) Floyd - that's a bad rotation. I also don't see the White Sox adding anyone in free agency, given the cost of starting pitching, to improve this so any additional help would have to come from a trade. 2) Juan Uribe, I have to believe, is probably going to be our 2B, at least part of the equation with Richar. I expect that they will look to trade him, but who wants him ? 3) Hopefully, with the Sox picking up cash in this deal, that it's significant enough (he makes $9 million, Garland $12) to free up some payroll. - All in all, I expected Garland to be traded, but was expecting 1-2 younger players with little payroll. Cabrera isn't a bad player, but it's an odd move considering that I'm guessing several teams probably had an interest in Garland, but it appears that Kenny Williams simply was looking to upgrade at SS, and was prepared to use Garland to do so. |
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| Author: | BD [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:08 pm ] |
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hawkeye wrote: I don't mind this deal too much right now. Garland was pretty bad last year and this is a much needed upgrade at short stop. Depending on what happens with Crede, they could put Fields in left field and Uribe at 3rd now. Or is things work out with Crede than Uribe is a bench sub for both 3rd and SS at not that steep a price. Or he's trade bait for a future deal for an outfielder or reliever.
I have a hard time thinking Uribe slides over to 3B given that we have 3 guys on the roster already. Well see though. |
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| Author: | Ungotz [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:11 pm ] |
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Uribe will play second base. |
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| Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:13 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: This is a very odd and dumb move. Why the hell would you trade a 28 year old guy that will win about 15 games a year for a 33 year old guy that had a career year. If Kenny traded him for prospects or something I would probably feel better about it. Why the fuck would he do this after resigning Uribe.
This makes no sense at all, and for the exact reason that both you and Stink brought up. Signing Uribe and then Cabrera simply does not make any sense, UNLESS they plan on using Cabrera for whatever the hell else. I'm beyond words right now. |
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:14 pm ] |
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Ungotz wrote: Uribe will play second base.
I sure as hell hope not. I liked what I saw from Richar last year. |
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| Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:15 pm ] |
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Ungotz wrote: Uribe will play second base.
If he does, then that is COMPLETELY contrary to what KW has said in every other interview he has done on the topic of re-signing Uribe. |
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| Author: | muman89 [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:34 pm ] |
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According to KW, he's going to try to re-sign Cabrera to a long term deal and also trade Uribe. (at least that's what the Score is reporting). Cabrera will hit second in the order. |
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:34 pm ] |
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I'd like to think they are 1)looking to move Uribe to a team who needs a SS since he comes at a 'bargain' price or 2) planning on Uribe learning other positions and being Rob Macowiak. As for the pitching, this says they saw enough at the end of the year from Jose and Floyd to pencil them in. This also give them a chance to let Broadway or Gonzalez a shot at the rotation. This team still needs some OF help. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:55 pm ] |
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ooribe still needs to learn something at shortstop. though, with how much he runs around in the outfield, maybe he thinks he's a left fielder at times OF help yes, but the most dire need, the bullpen, has not yet been addressed |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:38 pm ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: ooribe still needs to learn something at shortstop. though, with how much he runs around in the outfield, maybe he thinks he's a left fielder at times
But I don't get this move right now either w/o a done deal for Cabrera in hand, a trade for Uribe AND a leadoff hitting OF... |
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| Author: | Mustang Rob [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:42 pm ] |
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I don't think Juan breaks camp with the Sox. Not unless KW & Ozzie think that he can play second? His ability to go get'em would save a few bloops from falling in front of Dye. I think it's more likely that Uribe will go to the Astros for Luke Scott, or the Blue Jays for Adam Lind, which would put Fields at third & Crede on the trading block for some bullpen arms or a lead off CF type. This trade makes sense if you project Garland for 6yr/$90mil deal he'll be asking for next year. He's not worth that kinda cash. Cabrera will likely take a 4 year deal for less. 1) Owens CF 2) Cabrera SS 3) Thome DH 4) Konerko 1b 5) AJ C 6) Dye RF 7) Scott/Lind LF  Fields 3B
9) Richar 2B |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:45 pm ] |
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boy if that lineup doesnt strike fear into opposing pitchers, i dunno what will... 75-80 wins here we come. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:48 pm ] |
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Hawkeye Vince wrote: 2) planning on Uribe learning other positions and being Rob Macowiak.
Good god |
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| Author: | Mustang Rob [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:11 pm ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: boy if that lineup doesnt strike fear into opposing pitchers, i dunno what will...
75-80 wins here we come. Yeah, I know Frank. I like this one better too. 
1) Ellsbury CF 2) Pedroia 2B 3) Ortiz DH 4) Manny LF 5) Youkilis 1B 6) Lowell 3B 7) Varitek C $14 million dollar waste RF
9) Lugo SS |
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:21 pm ] |
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Baku wrote: Hawkeye Vince wrote: 2) planning on Uribe learning other positions and being Rob Macowiak. Good god I agree Baku. Kenny in his press conference said he is working to trade Uribe. My guess is he gets a A/AA level prospect. Also, the very reason for the trade was here: they pay too much for the pitching staff. Oh and they cried poverty too. |
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| Author: | BD [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:23 pm ] |
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Hawkeye Vince wrote: Baku wrote: Hawkeye Vince wrote: 2) planning on Uribe learning other positions and being Rob Macowiak. Good god I agree Baku. Kenny in his press conference said he is working to trade Uribe. My guess is he gets a A/AA level prospect. Also, the very reason for the trade was here: they pay too much for the pitching staff. Oh and they cried poverty too. I really doubt they find someone willing to take on Uribe's entire contract. They are going to have to pay a portion of that contract just for somebody to take him. |
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| Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:52 pm ] |
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I just don't understand why they would sign Uribe for less money only to trade him away anyway. And for a prospect?? |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:58 pm ] |
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its stuff like this that really makes my question some GM's thinking. was this trade made just for the sake of making a move? |
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