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Detroit will start pitching better. You can't count out the best team on paper after less than 20 games.

Looking at the closer situations in the division, the White Sox and Twins are in the best spot. As a pitching staff, I think the Sox may be the best in the division also, assuming Denks and Floyd can be .500 pitchers. I think this will turn into a 3 team race all season, with the Sox having the edge possibly.

Detroit will start pitching better. You can't count out the best team on paper after less than 20 games.

Nas wrote:

Detroit will start pitching better. You can't count out the best team on paper after less than 20 games.

And if they do? The biggest problem with thier piss poor start has been lack of offense.

Don't sell the Royals short either. This division is going to look like the NL West from last year

Detroit will start pitching better. You can't count out the best team on paper after less than 20 games.

I just need them to get that 16th loss before the 15th victory to rub it on Mitch

I thought the Cubs won the wildcard in '98 when they started 0-7?

bwfalcon wrote:

Nas wrote:

Detroit will start pitching better. You can't count out the best team on paper after less than 20 games.

I heard an intersting stat that while no team has made the playoffs after going 0-7, 11 teams have made it after having the Tigers current record.

I thought the Cubs won the wildcard in '98 when they started 0-7?

I just need them to get that 16th loss before the 15th victory to rub it in on Mitch

They will lose tonight against Carmona

good dolphin wrote:

They will lose tonight against Carmona

Hey GD. CSFMB has seen the power of your prognostications of late. Not so gouda! :wink:

kerchungathunk wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

They will lose tonight against Carmona

Hey GD. CSFMB has seen the power of your prognostications of late. Not so gouda! :wink:

I have not been close on just about everything.

I will have to point to my prediction of a Contrearas turn around.

Contreras was dynamite last time out to be sure. Lilly ought to be taking notes on the performance of this 50 year old pitcher.

They will lose tonight against Carmona

good dolphin wrote:

I just need them to get that 16th loss before the 15th victory to rub it in on Mitch

Here come the Tigers, winners of 3 in a row and need to go 10-5 in their next 15 to make Mitch look like a genius.

This one is a virtual lock Hawkeye. The Angels and Yanks are six of their next 9 games and there are only three more losses to burn.

It does not look like the Tigers will even be 20-20. That means they will have used a full 25% of the season playing under .500 ball. They may not be done yet, but it is staring to become critical for them.

Author:	schmitty1121 [ Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:32 pm ]
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Looking at the closer situations in the division, the White Sox and Twins are in the best spot. As a pitching staff, I think the Sox may be the best in the division also, assuming Denks and Floyd can be .500 pitchers. I think this will turn into a 3 team race all season, with the Sox having the edge possibly.

Author:	schmitty1121 [ Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:14 pm ]
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Nas wrote: Detroit will start pitching better. You can't count out the best team on paper after less than 20 games. I'm not. I'm not even a Sox fan. I just think this will be a tight division all season. Alot of people I talk to have been writing off the Tigers. I keep saying you can't judge them until Granderson comes back, although their bullpen is real bad.

Author:	Fixed Glee [ Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:30 pm ]
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schmitty1121 wrote: Looking at the closer situations in the division, the White Sox and Twins are in the best spot. As a pitching staff, I think the Sox may be the best in the division also, assuming Denks and Floyd can be .500 pitchers. I think this will turn into a 3 team race all season, with the Sox having the edge possibly. Yes, the Sox are fine at closer. But the best pitching in the division? They've got at least three unknowns in the staff. Floyd--good through two starts, but let's not get carried away just yet. Danks--Great, terrible, and great in three starts, so nothing proven yet. Contreras--'06 Contreras or '07 Contreras? Vasquez and Buehrle are proven commodities, but either one could easily falter this year and neither has been badly injured for some time (knock on "Wood"). But if the pitching keeps up as it has in just two weeks, then we may be in for a great ride.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:00 pm ]
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Nas wrote: Detroit will start pitching better. You can't count out the best team on paper after less than 20 games. And if they do? The biggest problem with thier piss poor start has been lack of offense.

Author:	kerchungathunk [ Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:03 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Nas wrote: Detroit will start pitching better. You can't count out the best team on paper after less than 20 games. And if they do? The biggest problem with thier piss poor start has been lack of offense. According to Leyland, he was pissed at the starting pitchers. "There's not a bullpen in baseball that can go 3 or 4 innings a game, every game." I am paraphrasing as I heard him while I was jogging yesterday, but he seemed to be most annoyed by his starting staff.

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Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:57 am ]
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Don't sell the Royals short either. This division is going to look like the NL West from last year

Author:	Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:06 am ]
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good dolphin wrote: Don't sell the Royals short either. This division is going to look like the NL West from last year Those sons-o-bitches have me more worried than any of the other division teams.

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:09 am ]
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I know their record did not reflect it, but their young players started to develop in the second half of the season. I believe they led the MLB in runs scored in the second half. Soria is coming along well as a closer. Bannister is beginning to show star potential as a starter. Grienke's mind is not cranky. I don't think they have enough pitching to win the division, but they have enough to contend.

Author:	FYI [ Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:44 pm ]
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Butler is a great pure hitter. Worst part is that you know Detroit will get hot, so a few games lead is nothing.

Author:	bwfalcon [ Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:11 pm ]
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Nas wrote: Detroit will start pitching better. You can't count out the best team on paper after less than 20 games. I heard an intersting stat that while no team has made the playoffs after going 0-7, 11 teams have made it after having the Tigers current record.

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:38 pm ]
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I just need them to get that 16th loss before the 15th victory to rub it in on Mitch

Author:	Beardown [ Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:59 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote: I just need them to get that 16th loss before the 15th victory to rub it on Mitch Christ!! What kind of bet was this?

Author:	Beardown [ Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:01 pm ]
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Nas wrote: I thought the Cubs won the wildcard in '98 when they started 0-7? No. It was either the year before 98 or the year after that the Cubs started 0-7.

Author:	WestmontMike [ Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:20 pm ]
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Nas wrote: bwfalcon wrote: Nas wrote: Detroit will start pitching better. You can't count out the best team on paper after less than 20 games. I heard an intersting stat that while no team has made the playoffs after going 0-7, 11 teams have made it after having the Tigers current record. I thought the Cubs won the wildcard in '98 when they started 0-7? They started 6-1 in '98.... would've been 7-0 with Dusty

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:19 pm ]
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@ Cle @Tor @Tor @Tor @Tor Tex Tex Tex LAA LAA LAA @NYY @NYY @NYY @Min I can't see Detroit going 10-5 playing those teams.

Author:	My Coach Vinny [ Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:12 pm ]
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W - @ Cle W - @Tor L - @Tor W - @Tor W - @Tor L - Tex W - Tex W - Tex L - LAA L - LAA W - LAA W - @NYY W - @NYY L - @NYY W - @Min Let's see how many I get right.

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Author:	enigma [ Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:58 pm ]
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1997 was the year they started 0-7, against florida and atlanta. With the starting pitching they faced to start that year (the year when florida won the WS) it wasn't exactly shocking.

Author:	Hawkeye Vince [ Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:03 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote: I just need them to get that 16th loss before the 15th victory to rub it in on Mitch Here come the Tigers, winners of 3 in a row and need to go 10-5 in their next 15 to make Mitch look like a genius.

Author:	good dolphin [ Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:41 pm ]
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They will lose tonight against Carmona

Author:	kerchungathunk [ Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:18 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote: They will lose tonight against Carmona Hey GD. CSFMB has seen the power of your prognostications of late. Not so gouda!

Author:	My Coach Vinny [ Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:38 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote: They will lose tonight against Carmona He's been pretty bad since the game against the Sox. You might be right, let's see what happens.

Author:	good dolphin [ Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:34 pm ]
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kerchungathunk wrote: good dolphin wrote: They will lose tonight against Carmona Hey GD. CSFMB has seen the power of your prognostications of late. Not so gouda! I have not been close on just about everything. I will have to point to my prediction of a Contrearas turn around.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:38 pm ]
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If he throws the way he did last nite, you'll be spot on.

Author:	kerchungathunk [ Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:49 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote: kerchungathunk wrote: good dolphin wrote: They will lose tonight against Carmona Hey GD. CSFMB has seen the power of your prognostications of late. Not so gouda! I have not been close on just about everything. I will have to point to my prediction of a Contrearas turn around. Contreras was dynamite last time out to be sure. Lilly ought to be taking notes on the performance of this 50 year old pitcher.

Author:	W_Z [ Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:10 pm ]
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kerchungathunk wrote: Contreras was dynamite last time out to be sure. Lilly ought to be taking notes on the performance of this 50 year old pitcher. lilly needs a frontal lobotomy.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:54 am ]
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good dolphin wrote: They will lose tonight against Carmona Tigers were routed 11-1 last nite.

Author:	Hawkeye Vince [ Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:44 pm ]
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Hawkeye Vince wrote: good dolphin wrote: I just need them to get that 16th loss before the 15th victory to rub it in on Mitch Here come the Tigers, winners of 3 in a row and need to go 10-5 in their next 15 to make Mitch look like a genius. GD, looks like the Tigers will need to win 9 of their next 10 to stop us.

Author:	good dolphin [ Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:55 am ]
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This one is a virtual lock Hawkeye. The Angels and Yanks are six of their next 9 games and there are only three more losses to burn. It does not look like the Tigers will even be 20-20. That means they will have used a full 25% of the season playing under .500 ball. They may not be done yet, but it is staring to become critical for them.

Author:	Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:44 am ]
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good dolphin wrote: This one is a virtual lock Hawkeye. The Angels and Yanks are six of their next 9 games and there are only three more losses to burn. It does not look like the Tigers will even be 20-20. That means they will have used a full 25% of the season playing under .500 ball. They may not be done yet, but it is staring to become critical for them. The Tigers, while obviously not out of anything at this point, cannot be out biggest concern this season. Do not sleep on the Royals this year, gentlemen. And Cleveland hasn't exploded yet, either.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:54 am ]
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The Sox just need to keep winning- win every series or at the very wost split. Its much easier to maintain a lead than to play catch up later in the year.