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| Author: | Beardown [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
Starts on Thursday. I told you I'd be starting this thread.
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| Author: | BD [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
Game 1, Thursday: White Sox at Tampa Bay (Kazmir 12-8 or Shields 14-8), 1:37 p.m. Game 2, Friday: White Sox at Tampa Bay (Kazmir 12-8 or Shields 14-8), 5:07 p.m. Game 3, Sunday: Tampa Bay at White Sox, TBA Game 4, Monday, Oct. 6: Tampa Bay at White Sox, TBA (if necessary) Game 5, Wednesday, Oct. 8: White Sox at Tampa Bay, TBA (if necessary) |
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| Author: | SHARK [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
Ken Harrelson was a guest with "MJH" late this afternoon, and made a suggestion that Clayton Richard (?) start the A.L. Division Series at the Trop Thursday...I thought Mark Buehrle was tentatively penciled in, even though he'd be on short rest yet again. |
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| Author: | Crystal Lake Hoffy [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
SHARK wrote: Ken Harrelson was a guest with "MJH" late this afternoon, and made a suggestion that Clayton Richard (?) start the A.L. Division Series at the Trop Thursday...I thought Mark Buehrle was tentatively penciled in, even though he'd be on short rest yet again. He was a GM for how long again? |
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| Author: | SHARK [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote: SHARK wrote: Ken Harrelson was a guest with "MJH" late this afternoon, and made a suggestion that Clayton Richard (?) start the A.L. Division Series at the Trop Thursday...I thought Mark Buehrle was tentatively penciled in, even though he'd be on short rest yet again. He was a GM for how long again? Touche, about a year in the mid '80s...I don't want Richard on this playoff roster, even though he pitched well enough to beat the Yankees earlier this month, but got the loss instead. |
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| Author: | Crystal Lake Hoffy [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
He may be good, but not as the starter in a playoff series. |
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| Author: | SHARK [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote: He may be good, but not as the starter in a playoff series. Hoffy, the guys at the "Afternoon Saloon" mentioned it when Harrelson was on, and "Hawk" & Darrin Jackson suggested during the WGN game broadcast of yesterday's makeup game vs. Detroit. |
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| Author: | BD [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
SHARK wrote: Ken Harrelson was a guest with "MJH" late this afternoon, and made a suggestion that Clayton Richard (?) start the A.L. Division Series at the Trop Thursday...I thought Mark Buehrle was tentatively penciled in, even though he'd be on short rest yet again. That would be stupid in a best of 5 series. You can't afford to give games away in the playoffs, and I'm not willing to chance that with Richard. Saying that, and I may be contradicting myself, I'd be interested in seeing Vazquez's numbers against TB. If they have any faith left in him, it wouldn't be a bad idea to have him go in Game 1. If he can steal a win there, we'd have Buerhle for Game 2 on normal rest, Floyd or Danks in Game 3, and then we can skip Vazquez in Game 4 and go with Floyd/Danks. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
This isn't exactly a best case scenario. They had to play 2 extra games to punch their ticket now they have to adjust on the fly. I would give Richard a chance and hope to catch lightning in a bottle. If he doesn't get it done you still have your 4 starters on normal rest for the rest of the series. |
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| Author: | SHARK [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
Javier Vazquez has been terribly inconsistent, and has been pitched bad enough to pull whatever hair Ozzie has left. I'll be very interested to see what this playoff roster will look like, especially without Carlos Quentin & Joe Crede... |
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| Author: | BD [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
My Playoff Roster: 14 position players: C: A.J. Pierzynski T.Hall IF: 1B: P.Konerko 2B: A.Ramirez 3B: J.Uribe SS: O.Cabrera 3B: J.Fields OF: J.Dye K.Griffey Jr. N.Swisher (1B) B.Anderson D.Wise J.Owens DH: J.Thome Pitching (11 pitchers, with Richard serving as a long man): J.Vazquez M.Buerhle J.Danks G.Floyd B.Jenks M.Thornton S.Linebrink O.Dotel H.Ramirez D.J.Carrasco C.Richard * They could keep an extra pitcher like McDougal at the expense of a guy like Jerry Owens. |
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| Author: | BD [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
SHARK wrote: Javier Vazquez has been terribly inconsistent, and has been pitched bad enough to pull whatever hair Ozzie has left. I'll be very interested to see what this playoff roster will look like, especially without Carlos Quentin & Joe Crede... I just submitted my version and it actually is pretty easy. They don't have much depth on their bench or in the pitching staff... |
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| Author: | SHARK [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
It's not a deep team, especially with Quentin & Crede likely out for Round 1. |
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| Author: | BD [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
SHARK wrote: It's not a deep team, especially with Quentin & Crede likely out for Round 1. Exactly. Not a lot of tough choices, really only one I'd see is keeping 11 or 12 pitchers. They also don't really have a backup IF. Uribe and Ramirez can play SS/2B and although Fields has a bad knee, I think he needs to be on the roster just because he can play 3B, if needed. |
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| Author: | SHARK [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
BD wrote: SHARK wrote: It's not a deep team, especially with Quentin & Crede likely out for Round 1. Exactly. Not a lot of tough choices, really only one I'd see is keeping 11 or 12 pitchers. They also don't really have a backup IF. Uribe and Ramirez can play SS/2B and although Fields has a bad knee, I think he needs to be on the roster just because he can play 3B, if needed. Lost in the shuffle is that Chris Getz actually would've made the playoff roster as a backup infielder had he not fractured his wrist earlier this month, and considering Joe Crede's stiff back. |
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| Author: | schmitty1121 [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
If the Sox get a W from Javy, I think they win this series. I got a feeling that the Rays wet the bed, and are alittle tight, and this veteran Sox team takes them in 4 or 5 games. |
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| Author: | casual fan [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
With how bad Vasquez has been. I roll the dice on short rest and go Buerhle, Floyd, Danks (full rest), Buerhle |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
I think you gotta give Buerhle some rest. The guy gave you all he had in the last game he pitched on short rest, but you cannot expect him to do that everytime. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
Comcast said Ozzie has decided to go with Vazquez. I agree. You might have to sacrafice game 1 for the greater good. If Javy goes you have Buehrle, Danks, Floyd going on full rest. Plus we're facing their best pitcher in game 1. So maybe we lose that no matter who pitches. Javy is weird. He might have a good one in him. Who knows? He's on normal rest now. Maybe, by chance, we can out-hit them in game 1. Win 8-7 or something like that. I totally agree with going with Vazquez in game 1. It's the right move. This talk, by Hawk, of Clayton Richard for game 1 is nonsense. But you do have him ready if Javy is struggling early. He can go then. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
IMO Javy gives you a chance to win game 1 whereas Clayton concedes it to the Rays. |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
Nas wrote: Sox in 4 You always make me nervous when you jump out and make predictions like that. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
If they win game 1, Sox in 4. If they lose game 1, Rays in 5. |
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| Author: | newper [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
Frank Coztansa wrote: If they win game 1, Sox in 4. If they lose game 1, Rays in 5. You easily win dumbest post of the day with this prediction. Congratulations. Care to explain further to those of us that may be slower than yourself? |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
newper wrote: Care to explain further to those of us that may be slower than yourself? No, I'm not going to explain anything to you. |
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| Author: | newper [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
Frank Coztansa wrote: newper wrote: Care to explain further to those of us that may be slower than yourself? No, I'm not going to explain anything to you. Well, for the record, you are NOT welcome in my tree fort! |
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| Author: | casual fan [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
Vasquez last 3 starts, 12 innings, 18 earned runs. If no Buehrle on short rest, I might give it to Richard and cross my fingers. Personally, I'd still send Buehrle out there. I think game 1 is their best chance to win 1 down there. |
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| Author: | RodeoVann [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
If the sox take one of these first two games in FL, the sox win it in 4, if not, rays in 4. |
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| Author: | bwfalcon [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
casual fan wrote: Vasquez last 3 starts, 12 innings, 18 earned runs. If no Buehrle on short rest, I might give it to Richard and cross my fingers. Personally, I'd still send Buehrle out there. I think game 1 is their best chance to win 1 down there. Looks like Javy is due for a good one then. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
Beardown wrote: Comcast said Ozzie has decided to go with Vazquez. I agree. You might have to sacrafice game 1 for the greater good. If Javy goes you have Buehrle, Danks, Floyd going on full rest. Plus we're facing their best pitcher in game 1. So maybe we lose that no matter who pitches. Javy is weird. He might have a good one in him. Who knows? He's on normal rest now. Maybe, by chance, we can out-hit them in game 1. Win 8-7 or something like that. I totally agree with going with Vazquez in game 1. It's the right move. This talk, by Hawk, of Clayton Richard for game 1 is nonsense. But you do have him ready if Javy is struggling early. He can go then. I have to agree with this logic. Game 1 has letdown written all over it. Short rest, very emotional string of games, etc. Throw Javy out there as a sacrificial lamb. I think you're right, the only way they take game 1 is if it's in the 8-7 type of game. But I think they can do it. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ALDS: White Sox vs. Rays |
Of the entire playoff field, the White Sox are the only team to win a series this year at Tropicana Field. |
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