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| Author: | Mr. Belvidere [ Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | SOX MUST _______ to win next year! |
I know there are a couple of similar posts but they got too damn long. The Sox have to find a way to score runs without gettinf four singles to do it. Thome has to go. He can hit a fasball anymore unless he closes his eyes. Javy has to go for obvious reasons. Dye/Konerko/Swisher depending on who's still there can DH. AJ.....yes AJ has to go. I love his attitude but I cant remember the last guy he threw out. His hitting isnt good enough to justify that. Figgins would be great for third. I would love Roberts too at 2B. Imagine this top three 1. Roberts 2. Figgins 3. Alexei Speed. Whatta concept. LEAVE ANDERSON IN CF. Bat him 9th. Defense. What a concept. Uribe is valuable insurance. Keep him. Sox pitching still looks promising. Get a veteran for the fourh spot. Maddus or Moyer type and let Richard or Broadway fight for the 5th spot. Bullpen if healthy should be okay the way it is. 1B- Konerko or Swisher. 2b- Roberts I wish 3b- Figgins I WISH SS- Cuban Missile LF- Carlos CF- Anderson RF- Dye/ Swisher/ Wise DH- NO THOME/ Dye usually/Konerko C- Free agent that can throw, M Olivo maybe? IROD maybe? 1. Roberts 2.Figgins 3. Alexei Ramirez 4. CQ 5. Dye 6. Konerko 7. Swisher 8. Catcher 9. Anderson |
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| Author: | lipidquadcab [ Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SOX MUST _______ to win next year! |
Play a different sport |
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| Author: | Eaglo Jeff [ Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SOX MUST _______ to win next year! |
one word: hit |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:11 pm ] |
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...be able to go 1st to 3rd and score from 2nd, and execute anytime the Bunt sign is put on... |
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| Author: | SHARK [ Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SOX MUST _______ to win next year! |
I think I've got the definitive words for that blank...get much quicker!
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| Author: | hootmon [ Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SOX MUST _______ to win next year! |
Get younger at the hitting positions. First, RF, catcher especially. Remember when the Jankees showed their age all of a sudden? That is right around the corner for the Sox if they don't make a move or two. |
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| Author: | RodeoVann [ Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:24 am ] |
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Quote: I know there are a couple of similar posts but they got too damn long. The Sox have to find a way to score runs without gettinf four singles to do it. Thome has to go. He can hit a fasball anymore unless he closes his eyes. Javy has to go for obvious reasons. Dye/Konerko/Swisher depending on who's still there can DH. AJ.....yes AJ has to go. I love his attitude but I cant remember the last guy he threw out. His hitting isnt good enough to justify that. Figgins would be great for third. I would love Roberts too at 2B. Imagine this top three 1. Roberts 2. Figgins 3. Alexei Speed. Whatta concept. Who are the sox going to give up for Figgens and Roberts, its not like they have a deep farm system? I am not saying I disagree, but those two guys are not going to come cheap. Roberts is going to get traded, but I bet he ends up on the twins, just a gut feeling. Figgins could end up on the south side, if Texeria leaves, I could see the sox working a deal with konero and figgins. Sox just dont have enough to land both those guys IMO. |
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:39 am ] |
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I'm not buying the dump AJ comment. He's one of the better hitting catchers, calls a good game and to be honest, the Sox pitching staff is horrible at holding runners or using the slide step. At the catcher position, i would like to see an upgrade to the backup in order to give AJ more days off. He played in 134 games last year. He'll be 32 next year so I think 110-120 is the right range for him to be catching, but I dont trust Toby hall for 50+ games a year. |
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| Author: | Turd Ferguson [ Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:30 am ] |
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I don't know what the trade market for Vazquez looks like, but unless it is better than I imagine, I would prefer that they hold on to him. Granted, the guy has absolutely no balls. However, there is something to be said for a guy that stays healthy all year, makes all of his starts, and can be counted on to win at least a dozen games with an ERA under 5. From April through August, he is probably as good as just about any #4 or #5 starting pitcher in baseball. Why not utilize him for what he is good at - beating poor and mediocre teams in no-pressure games in the beginning and middle of the season? Those games count in the standings too. If the Sox make the postseason, they can then put him in the pen for long relief or leave him off the playoff roster altogether. And, if they need to play must-win games in September to make the postseason, don't even think about moving him up in the rotation or pitching him on short rest. In fact, do that with the other guys in the rotation so that Vazquez misses as many of those games as possible. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:54 am ] |
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Get rid of Anderson and Uribe. What is all this love for Anderson??? Aren't there any CF who can hit and field? With BA and Juan the bottom of the order sucks! LEAVE ANDERSON IN CF. Bat him 9th. Defense. What a concept. Uribe is valuable insurance. Keep him. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:22 am ] |
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Because if Anderson had 4-500 at bats, he'd probably hit OK. For him to get one start a week if he's lucky and come up with some of the big hits he did says a lot about the guy. And he is without a doubt one of the top defenders in the entire league as far as OF's go. Getting rid of AJ would be utter stupidity. As vince said, the only guy who is able to hold runners on at all is Buehrle. Most of the time, AJ or Toby (who is fucking terrible btw) don't even have a chance to throw runners out because guys are able to get such good jumps off our pitchers |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:34 am ] |
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[quote="Frank Coztansa"]Because if Anderson had 4-500 at bats, he'd probably hit OK. In 2005 he had over 350 ab's hit.225 with 90 K's.Probably ain't good enough |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:36 am ] |
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He didn't have 350 at bats at the big league level in 2005. 365 in 2006. Peanuts in other seasons up until this year. You're a dumbfuck http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/s ... yerId=6196 |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:56 am ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: He didn't have 350 at bats at the big league level in 2005. 365 in 2006. Peanuts in other seasons up until this year. You're a dumbfuck http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/s ... yerId=6196 I HAD THE WRONG YEAR.If the Sox thought he was any good why didn't he start THIS year! Oh right Swisher, who sucks like you! |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:29 pm ] |
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Swisher was great in April, and then we also had some unknown guy named Carlos Quentin in the OF. Gonna bench him then? You're still a dumbfuck. |
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| Author: | lipidquadcab [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:50 pm ] |
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CRIPPLE FIGHT!!!! 
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:16 pm ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Swisher was great in April, and then we also had some unknown guy named Carlos Quentin in the OF. Gonna bench him then? You're still a dumbfuck. You still suck |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:24 pm ] |
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I see you've got the latest copy of "3rd Grade Comebacks" handy today. |
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| Author: | RodeoVann [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:53 pm ] |
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Quote: Swisher was great in April Who are you crapping Frank? Swisher's stats for April 3-HR 8-RBI'S AVG- 211 OBP-358. where is the greatness?  Now frank, explain to me the great April or is this you just throwing crap against a wall and hoping it sticks?
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| Author: | Elmhurst Steve [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:06 pm ] |
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Don't forget the worm!! He did those commercials where he did the worm. Wasn't he great in those? For all Kenny did right in getting Alexi Ramirez and Carlos Quentin, he made a mistake getting Swisher. Then he put him in all those stupid commercials-like he was going to be the face of the franchise. What's his career Batting average? .244, and he couldn't even manage that-with a .219 average this season. Thats pathetic. How many times did he strike out looking too? It's bad enough to stike out swinging. But to stand there and watch strike 3 go by, thats really frustrating. The people who say the Sox must get a faster team, are the ones I agree with. Gotta have speed-not only on offense to help manufacture runs, but on defense as well. The outfield defense too often was poor, with Dye no speed merchant these days, Quentin not real fast and CF too often manned by Swisher and Griffey, neither of which is a legitimate CF these days. A legitimate leadoff hitter would be a major improvement too. Hopefully after they move Ramirez to short, the leadoff hitter may be someone they get to play 2B or CF. |
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| Author: | RodeoVann [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:40 pm ] |
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I bet the white sox trade nick back to the A's for Huston Street. A 219 batting average doesnt lie, he sucked this year and being benched in sept pretty much confirmed that. Nick is ok, he will never be great, he is like Juan Uribe, he is just another player, not a bad thing, plus i think once he had to get off the roids, that hurt his numbers. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:20 pm ] |
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KW said last year that there are 31 other teams who wish they had Gavin Floyd. The same is true for Javier Vazquez. Put him on the market and you will get plenty of teams from both leagues who will come calling. You will not find a better replacement for the money without having to trade to get him. AJ is a little bit above average in the AL. He is signed at a reasonable price for a reasonable amount of years. He was not the problem. I think the bottom is going to drop out on Thome next year. Still, you have to rely on what you saw this year. He led AL DH's in HR and nearly had 100 RBIs with an above average OBP. In addition he is a lefty with power. Those are difficult qualities to replace. Even more importantly, the problem with this team was not slow power hitters in the middle of the order. The problem was a lack of OBP and speed from 1-2 and 8-9. The obvious answer to all problems is Figgins. He is a reliable 3B with experience at the leadoff and speed. Do the Sox have what it takes to get him? The other player on KW lips has been 2B Orlando Hudson. I'm not as sold on him, but he'd bring speed as well and is available without needing to trade (not SB speed, but that 1st to 3rd type). Forget Roberts, that simply is not happening. The only other everyday position to fill is CF. If they get Figgins and Hudson, you can live with Anderson batting 9th. Otherwise, I think the Sox need to make a move in this direction. Maybe they could ease the cost of Figgins by taking on the bad contract of Mathews, Jr. I don't know. For as much as people were saying KW did right by not overspending on Hunter, my goodness would that move have paid huge immediate dividends (I took the opposite position and said they should have tried to match the Angels). Oh, that outfield would have been beautiful with Quinten, Hunter and Dye. In the rotation, I think they should let Richard battle it out with a veteran for the 5th spot. If he fails, he has shown to be a decent lefty option out of the bullpen. If he succeeds, the Sox would be spending well below average for a rotation, so they should be able to spend more elsewhere. |
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| Author: | shultzyy [ Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:21 pm ] |
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"middle relief" The first two months of the season the bullpen was lights out. As the bullpen got cold so did the team. We have good starters and a great closer. We need to find a guy or two like we found Linebrink last year. If we have to over pay a bit so be it. Everyone thought we overpaid for Linebrink (I think 4 years $19 million); but when he was healthy he was well worth it. The idea is to shorten the game with a lights out bullpen and some of our other needs (i.e. speed, defense) will not be as magnified. |
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| Author: | RodeoVann [ Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:30 am ] |
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Quote: Quote:Frank wrote Swisher was great in April Who are you crapping Frank? Swisher's stats for April 3-HR 8-RBI'S AVG- 211 OBP-358. where is the greatness? Now frank, explain to me the great April or is this you just throwing crap against a wall and hoping it sticks? |
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| Author: | Mr. Belvidere [ Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:24 am ] |
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get faster I guess is my answer to mu question. I'm sick and tired of getting three hits in an inning and not scoring. They need to execute and move runners. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:32 am ] |
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The Sox hit .263 as a team. The all-or-nothing approach plays well at home (54-28) but if they want to win consistently on the road (35-46) they have to improve the team batting avg. I think Thome can raise his BA by .25 points if he would occasionally try to hit the ball the other way. His power numbers wouldn't suffer too much because he clearly has the power to hit home runs to left and left center. I would like to see Kenny add a couple good batting average hitters at the top and bottom of the order. |
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| Author: | RodeoVann [ Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:17 pm ] |
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Quote: I would like to see Kenny add a couple good batting average hitters at the top and bottom of the order  
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| Author: | Brian's Mojito [ Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:02 pm ] |
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I know you're trying to take a jab RV, but Dino boy hit .255 with 23 homers and 87 RBIs for the 2005 World Series Champions. |
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| Author: | SHARK [ Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:06 pm ] |
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Everybody thought the Cubs would make a run at Brian Roberts, but I wouldn't mind seeing him in a White Sox uniform. He'd fill the second base position and the leadoff spot next season, just like he's done for the Orioles. The O's won't be a challenger anytime soon in the A.L. East. 
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| Author: | newper [ Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:34 pm ] |
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SHARK wrote: The O's won't be a challenger anytime soon in the A.L. East. That's what they've said about the Rays for the past ten years. |
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