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Author:  Keyser Soze [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Roberts for Floyd?
According to MASN Sports, the Orioles and White Sox have discussed a trade involving Brian Roberts and Gavin Floyd.


What?? Gavin Floyd?? Why the hell would they trade him now? They're short on pitching after trading Javy and they need to add a pitcher (Garland??) not subtract one. I LOVE the idea of trading for Roberts but only if it's for minor leaguers and not someone off the major league roster.
Author:  BD [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:53 pm ]
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Keyser Soze wrote:
According to MASN Sports, the Orioles and White Sox have discussed a trade involving Brian Roberts and Gavin Floyd.


What?? Gavin Floyd?? Why the hell would they trade him now? They're short on pitching after trading Javy and they need to add a pitcher (Garland??) not subtract one. I LOVE the idea of trading for Roberts but only if it's for minor leaguers and not someone off the major league roster.


Who is MASN sports?

I don't see Floyd going anywhere, and I don't see the White Sox adding a 2B - they seem to like the options they already have. Obviously, Roberts is a major upgrade, but they think they will be fine with Getz (most likely).
Author:  Keyser Soze [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:03 pm ]
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Mid-Atlantic Sports Network. Home of the O's and Nats.
Author:  BD [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:23 pm ]
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Keyser Soze wrote:
Mid-Atlantic Sports Network. Home of the O's and Nats.


Interesting that it does add some credibility, but still I'd be surprised if the Sox made a move like that.
Author:  RFDC [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:11 pm ]
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I think the Sox would be stupid to do that deal. Floyd and Danks should be untouchable right now for this team.
Author:  SHARK [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:34 pm ]
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What if I mentioned that the Orioles supposedly want Chris Getz, possibly in addition to Gavin Floyd if it meant getting Brian Roberts to the South side? That's also at MASNsports.com, the regional sports network's Web site. As it stands now, Getz is the White Sox likely starting second baseman if they don't pursue the Diamondbacks' Orlando Hudson via free agency. I know that the O's have supposedly tried to extend Brian's contract, and that Andy MacPhail (or is MacFail?) and owner Peter Angelos really like Baltimore's #1 leading off for them and haven't been that interested to trade Roberts...
Author:  BD [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:39 pm ]
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SHARK wrote:
What if I mentioned that the Orioles supposedly want Chris Getz, possibly in addition to Gavin Floyd if it meant getting Brian Roberts to the South side? That's also at MASNsports.com, the regional sports network's Web site. As it stands now, Getz is the White Sox likely starting second baseman if they don't pursue the Diamondbacks' Orlando Hudson via free agency.


I still don't believe it because they still have Gordan Beckman in the minors who may end up at 2B. Some have said that he could be good enough to play in the majors next season at some point.

I also believe the Sox are trying to stay competitive while cutting payroll.
Author:  RFDC [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:39 pm ]
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I do not care who else is involved, if Floyd is in the deal you do not do it IMO.
Author:  SHARK [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:07 pm ]
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BD wrote:
SHARK wrote:
What if I mentioned that the Orioles supposedly want Chris Getz, possibly in addition to Gavin Floyd if it meant getting Brian Roberts to the South side? That's also at MASNsports.com, the regional sports network's Web site. As it stands now, Getz is the White Sox likely starting second baseman if they don't pursue the Diamondbacks' Orlando Hudson via free agency.


I still don't believe it because they still have Gordan Beckman in the minors who may end up at 2B. Some have said that he could be good enough to play in the majors next season at some point.

I also believe the Sox are trying to stay competitive while cutting payroll.

I agree about the White Sox trying to stay competitive while cutting payroll...I'm not so sure I'd make this trade, and the Orioles have been very reluctant to part with Brian Roberts...
Author:  BD [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:19 pm ]
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SHARK wrote:
BD wrote:
SHARK wrote:
What if I mentioned that the Orioles supposedly want Chris Getz, possibly in addition to Gavin Floyd if it meant getting Brian Roberts to the South side? That's also at MASNsports.com, the regional sports network's Web site. As it stands now, Getz is the White Sox likely starting second baseman if they don't pursue the Diamondbacks' Orlando Hudson via free agency.


I still don't believe it because they still have Gordan Beckman in the minors who may end up at 2B. Some have said that he could be good enough to play in the majors next season at some point.

I also believe the Sox are trying to stay competitive while cutting payroll.

I agree about the White Sox trying to stay competitive while cutting payroll...I'm not so sure I'd make this trade, and the Orioles have been very reluctant to part with Brian Roberts...


Baltimore's owner loves Roberts, but he's in the last year of his deal, and there was talk before of dealing him if they couldn't work out a new deal. I'm not sure the status of their talks (or if there have been any talks).

I also doubt that the Sox trade Floyd.

Kenny may surprise me, but I would think 2B is the last position, becuase of the youth there, that he would look to add a veteran at.

I still think Dye may get traded at some point this off-season to free up some more money, and am holding out hope that the Sox can then become players on some free agent bargains. In particular, I'd like to add a veteran for the #4 starting job - doesn't have to be a great pitcher, but someone who can throw for 200 IP, keep the bullpen fresh, and give us quality starts.

If they do trade Dye, I wouldn't be upset if they started the season with Owens in LF, Anderson in CF, and Quentin in RF. I love Anderson's CF defense, and Owens can cover some ground in LF. Quentin is not a great fielder by any stretch but he does have a good arm. Unfortunatley for Anderson, I just don't think they see him as a full-time player so something tells me that if Dye is traded, they will look for some LF option and keep Owens in CF.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:20 pm ]
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While I don't think anybody on the Sox is labled "untouchable," this deal would be a monstrosity of a bad deal from this Sox fans POV.
Author:  SHARK [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:26 pm ]
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While we all feel Brian Anderson is the best DEFENSIVE centerfielder on the White Sox roster, the impression I get is B.A. is a one-dimensional ballplayer who simply can't hit his weight in the eyes of Sox manager Ozzie Guillen. You can't have automatic outs anywhere in the lineup, and sadly, that's the rap against Anderson. In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with a platoon in centerfield, depending on what happens in Spring Training. Jerry Owens got hurt last spring and his 2008 was quite a setback before the Ken Griffey Jr. trade and the solid play of journeyman DeWayne Wise. As for Jermaine Dye, I'm not so sure the Sox are going to trade him in part because of his salary...
Author:  RFDC [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:27 pm ]
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SHARK, what in the hell does that have to do with Roberts or Floyd? :?
Author:  BD [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:29 pm ]
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SHARK wrote:
While we all feel Brian Anderson is the best DEFENSIVE centerfielder on the White Sox roster, the impression I get is B.A. is a one-dimensional ballplayer who simply can't hit his weight in the eyes of Sox manager Ozzie Guillen. You can't have automatic outs anywhere in the lineup, and sadly, that's the rap against Anderson. In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with a platoon in centerfield, depending on what happens in Spring Training. Jerry Owens got hurt last spring and his 2008 was quite a setback before the Ken Griffey Jr. trade and the solid play of journeyman DeWayne Wise. As for Jermaine Dye, I'm not so sure the Sox are going to trade him in part because of his salary...


I think Owens needs to play everyday if that's the guy they want to lead off, and that's what it looks like right now. I tend to agree with you that Guillen doesn't see Anderson as an everyday CF because he can't hit over the course of the season, but I don't want to see this situation turn into Owens as a part-time player (despite my doubts about his ability to play in the majors as well).
Author:  BD [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:29 pm ]
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RFDC wrote:
SHARK, what in the hell does that have to do with Roberts or Floyd? :?


That's my fault. Read my earlier post, and you're see that I took the discussion a bit off-course from that trade.
Author:  RFDC [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:32 pm ]
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BD wrote:
RFDC wrote:
SHARK, what in the hell does that have to do with Roberts or Floyd? :?


That's my fault. Read my earlier post, and you're see that I took the discussion a bit off-course from that trade.


I know, but I would rather yell at SHARK. 8)
Author:  SHARK [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:36 pm ]
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RFDC wrote:
BD wrote:
RFDC wrote:
SHARK, what in the hell does that have to do with Roberts or Floyd? :?


That's my fault. Read my earlier post, and you're see that I took the discussion a bit off-course from that trade.


I know, but I would rather yell at SHARK. 8)

Actually, I did read the earlier post, and I noticed the same thing...I can't add more than 2 quotes from any one post...
Author:  RodeoVann [ Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:03 am ]
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Here is why this deal would make no sense. Roberts is a free agent next year, so he is going to test the market and the White Sox will not pay Roberts the 10-12 mill he wants, so giving up a arm like Floyd for a one year rental doesnt make sense.

Now, if they want to trade for him knowing that they might not be in it by the all-star break and plan on trading him by July 31st, that might make sense because Roberts is a strong trading chip, but either way, Roberts wouldnt be a white sox for more then a year.
Author:  Beardown [ Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:17 pm ]
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It absolutely makes no sense and KW will not do it. It's stupid.

You control Floyd for 4 more years before he's a free agent. That's huge when you have a good young player. Especially a good young pitcher.

I would like Roberts for next season but am not willing to risk what Floyd gives us in the near future.
Author:  Beardown [ Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:29 pm ]
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Plus what would be the sense of getting Roberts if trading for him leaves you with 2 acomplished pitchers? We wouldn't win the division if that were the case. So why do it?

Try to make a minor move. Try to get some guys playing over their heads and see if you can win this year. If not I'm cool with knowing that KW has gotten us some young talent and we look pretty good for 2010 and beyond.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:21 pm ]
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The 2009 White Sox: with Chris Getz and Floyd > Brian Roberts and no Gavin Floyd.
Author:  SHARK [ Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:44 pm ]
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The ONLY way the White Sox make a deal like this is whether they can sign Brian Roberts to a long-term deal. That's according to Peter Schmuck on baltimoresun.com, who dismisses the accuracy of the MASNsports.com rumor concerning Roberts to the Sox for Gavin Floyd & possibly second base prospect Chris Getz. Peter doesn't think the trade rumor is legit to begin with, and a year ago, a certain North side team was highly rumored to get Brian and the deal never materialized...
Author:  Elmhurst Steve [ Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:13 pm ]
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The Sox really need a legitimate leadoff man. That much is clear. But giving up Danks or Floyd seems like a bad idea. I can see why Roberts would be a nice piece to add to the puzzle, but as some others have pointed out, unless they intend on signing him to an extension, this deal makes no sense. If they had 4 other solid starters and a club ready to contend for a championship, it would make sense. As things stand it doesn't.
Author:  kujoe_7 [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:05 am ]
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Roberts-to-ChiSox deal slowed by O's request for more
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The trade talks between the Orioles and White Sox regarding excellent leadoff hitter Brian Roberts stalled over Baltimore's request for at least one player in addition to young starting pitcher Gavin Floyd. "They wanted Floyd plus,'' one person familiar with the talks said.

While the talks aren't necessarily considered dead, White Sox GM Ken Williams said to Chicago media outlets through a spokesman that he hasn't spoken to the Orioles since November. And one other person told SI.com that the chances for a deal were "pretty iffy,'' based on Baltimore's requests.

Roberts, who hit .296 with 107 runs scored and 40 stolen bases this past season, is liked by Williams, who seeks to improve the White Sox's team speed and would love a leadoff hitter. Roberts also has been a target of the Cubs for at least a year.

Roberts seemed pleased at the thought of a trade to the contending Cubs. However, he has long been a favorite of Orioles owner Peter Angelos, so the price tag has always been high. The young righthander Floyd showed promise last year, going 16-8 for Chicago.
Author:  Keyser Soze [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:55 am ]
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And Kenny told him to pound sand. McFail is looking for an Eric Bedard-type return for Roberts. He may get it but I hope it's not from the Sox. Maybe the price will come down the closer they get to spring training.
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