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| Author: | Mr. Belvidere [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:34 am ] |
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Seeing A-Roid get destroyed over the last couple of days kind of gets to me. I was at game two of that horrible playoff series against the Mariners in 2000. A-Roid picked up everything at SS and hit the cover off the ball seemingly every AB. He was a free agent and at that time I would have given him what the Rangers did and then some to have him on the South Side. He was the best Player I had ever seen. In this era of baseball, its so hard to pick someone s the best ever. The sad thing is that if Barry and A-Roid were clean and played just at the same level as when they were clean then I would have them in the top five at least. These greedy fucks had to be so far above everyone just to fill their egos. Barry was so fun to watch. He could run, throw and would hit ya about 25 HR's a year. The best LF ever. He threw it all away. Damn Ego! Its sad because they would have been so fun to watch. I never saw mantle or Mays. I did see Aaron but he was and old fat guy when I was old enough to remember. I started following Baseball in about 1973. From then until now, I'd have to say Dave Winfield may have been the best all around player. What would he had done with steroids?? Others on my list would be Rickey H., Paul Molitor before injuries, Ryno, but probably Griffey Jr. is the best. I always thought he could have been better. Seemed like he didnt hustle enough. He use to glide kind of like Andrue Jones does. He had to make everything look easy. I hate that. This is way harder then I thought it would be. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:36 am ] |
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George Brett. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:37 am ] |
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Frank Thomas was the best hitter I've seen Griffey Jr (CF, Seattle daze) was best with the glove |
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| Author: | Mr. Belvidere [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:41 am ] |
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Keyser Soze wrote: George Brett. Bretts one of my all time favs. Wore his number in LL and HS baseball. But George wasnt much of a runner. Descent 3b man but was more of a Mark Grace hitter with more pop. Would have rather had Mike Schmidt tho. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:41 am ] |
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Keyser Soze wrote: George Brett. +1 And he also has that great internet video. What more could you want? |
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| Author: | T-Bone [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:43 am ] |
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Best player I have probably seen with my own eyes was Rod Carew or Reggie Jackson. |
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| Author: | City of Fools [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:44 am ] |
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Mr. Belvidere wrote: ...but probably Griffey Jr. is the best. I always thought he could have been better. Seemed like he didnt hustle enough. He use to glide kind of like Andrue Jones does. He had to make everything look easy. I hate that. are you a Blackhawks fan, by chance? |
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| Author: | Mr. Belvidere [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:44 am ] |
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I guess my point is a great player should do it all. Frank Thomas and Ozzie Smit are good at Hitting or fielding but they didnt do both. Mays and Mantle did everything. So did Clemente. Bond was good at everything as was A - ROID. Who now or from the past thirty years can even compare to what Bonds and Rodriguez should have been? I cant think of one. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:44 am ] |
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T-Bone wrote: Best player I have probably seen with my own eyes was Rod Carew or Reggie Jackson. Who's the best youve seen with other peoples eyes? |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:45 am ] |
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Mr. Belvidere wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: George Brett. Bretts one of my all time favs. Wore his number in LL and HS baseball. But George wasnt much of a runner.Descent 3b man but was more of a Mark Grace hitter with more pop. Would have rather had Mike Schmidt tho. He was a GREAT runner. That son of bitch busted his ass all over the field and never dogged it once in his entire career. He was also the best pure hitter I've ever seen. |
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| Author: | Mr. Belvidere [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:45 am ] |
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City of Fools wrote: Mr. Belvidere wrote: ...but probably Griffey Jr. is the best. I always thought he could have been better. Seemed like he didnt hustle enough. He use to glide kind of like Andrue Jones does. He had to make everything look easy. I hate that. are you a Blackhawks fan, by chance? Not really....why? |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:47 am ] |
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at one instant in time, eric davis was the best player i ever saw. |
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| Author: | doug - evergreen park [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:52 am ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Frank Thomas was the best hitter I've seen Griffey Jr (CF, Seattle daze) was best with the glove If we are talking "in person" then I have to agree with Frankie C. |
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| Author: | newper [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:18 pm ] |
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Mr. Belvidere wrote: Mays and Mantle did everything. So did Clemente. Bond was good at everything as was A - ROID. All your guys above sucked at pitching -- they were so bad, they never even threw an inning at the major league level. |
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| Author: | Mr. Belvidere [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:24 pm ] |
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Best pure hitters- Thomas, Brett, Carew, Gwynn Power- Thomas, Griffey, Rice, Schmidt, Cecil F. DAwson All around- Ripken, Henderson, Pre big head Bonds, Yount, Ryno, Winfield. Thats off the top of my headfrom the last thirty five years. I saw em all play. |
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| Author: | Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:43 pm ] |
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Mr. Belvidere wrote: Best pure hitters- Thomas, Brett, Carew, Gwynn A pretty good list but I'd add Boggs, Madlock, Mattingly & Pujols to the hitters, Albert Belle to the power guys, Dave Parker (pre-drugs) and Jeter to the all-around.
Power- Thomas, Griffey, Rice, Schmidt, Cecil F. DAwson All around- Ripken, Henderson, Pre big head Bonds, Yount, Ryno, Winfield. Thats off the top of my headfrom the last thirty five years. I saw em all play. |
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| Author: | Mr. Belvidere [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:20 pm ] |
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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote: Mr. Belvidere wrote: Best pure hitters- Thomas, Brett, Carew, Gwynn A pretty good list but I'd add Boggs, Madlock, Mattingly & Pujols to the hitters, Albert Belle to the power guys, Dave Parker (pre-drugs) and Jeter to the all-around.Power- Thomas, Griffey, Rice, Schmidt, Cecil F. DAwson All around- Ripken, Henderson, Pre big head Bonds, Yount, Ryno, Winfield. Thats off the top of my headfrom the last thirty five years. I saw em all play. Damn zippy you goy me. All but Madlock anyway. Dont think he did for very long. L |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:22 pm ] |
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Ripken was on steroids...yes he was. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:37 pm ] |
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Do you know something about Ripken or is that just conjecture? |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:41 pm ] |
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Keyser Soze wrote: Do you know something about Ripken or is that just conjecture? No inside info...but its fairly obvious imo But anyways I think everyone needs to remember Steroids were not invented in 1997 80s guys were on em too |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:51 pm ] |
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Obvious? Sure he played in a ton of games, but I don't remember his numbers being all that mindblowing. http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ripkeca01.shtml 1 season of 30+ HRs and 4 seasons of 100+ RBIs, with a .276 career makes it "obvious"? |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:56 pm ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Obvious? Sure he played in a ton of games, but I don't remember his numbers being all that mindblowing. I believe Steroids were used to comeback from injury/avoid injury as much as for giant muscles and heads. |
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| Author: | Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:18 pm ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: I believe Steroids were used to comeback from injury/avoid injury as much as for giant muscles and heads. One of the common indicators of steroid use would be a high frequency of injury as you get older - something which would never be said of Ripken.
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| Author: | doug - evergreen park [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:32 pm ] |
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Agreed. Steroids do many things. They "help" as much as they "hurt." |
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| Author: | JimmyReardon [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:51 pm ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: at one instant in time, eric davis was the best player i ever saw. In the spirit of hatchetman's 'one instant in time' I will say Dick Allen when he was with the Sox in 1972. He was a scary hitter. I remember him saying that if pitchers threw him a low slider on the outside part of the plate the only place he could hit it was on a line back at their head! He hit more line drive screamers that I had ever seen. Terrific base runner, also. Graceful guy. The 1972 season was a lot of fun. Alas, they couldn't catch Oakland and finished 5 1/2 games back in 2nd. Allen won the AL MVP award in 1972. The Weed King |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:26 pm ] |
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Best Pure Hitter- Rod Carew, Gwynn close second Best Power Hitter - Frank Thomas. This is combining power and ability to hit, not just HR's Best HR Hitter - Bonds, single most influential the game has ever seen in a season! No matter what he took Best ON base guy - Rudy Stein. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:24 pm ] |
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bigfan wrote: Best HR Hitter - Bonds, single most influential the game has ever seen in a season! No matter what he took I don't know about that. Babe's '27 season was pretty damn impressive and all he was on was beer, hot dogs and hookers. Edit: I added Babe's '21 which was probably his best season. Looks pretty 'influential' Bigfan! ..............R....H.....HR...RBI...BB.....BA...OBP...SLG...OPB Ruth '27...158...192..60...164...137...356...486...772...1285 Bonds '01..129..156..73...137...177....328...515..863...1378 Ruth '21...177...204...59...171...145...378...512...846...1358 |
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| Author: | Mr. Belvidere [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:08 pm ] |
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I love the names and the debates. That is why baseball is the best. Sorry Coast. On a different note and maybe a different post but what about some players that werentthe best but were fun to watch. Remember Dave Kingman? Willie Wilson? Al Hrobowski (SP)? Freddy Lynn? Dave Parker? Gary pettis? Craig Nettles? Greg Luzinski? Claudell Washington? Bert Campinares? Damn I could go on and on. Sorry bout that. Oh yeah.....Chet lemon, Shawon Dunston, Rudy Law, Oscar Gamble etc etc etc |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:35 am ] |
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Keyser Soze wrote: bigfan wrote: Best HR Hitter - Bonds, single most influential the game has ever seen in a season! No matter what he took I don't know about that. Babe's '27 season was pretty damn impressive and all he was on was beer, hot dogs and hookers. Edit: I added Babe's '21 which was probably his best season. Looks pretty 'influential' Bigfan! ..............R....H.....HR...RBI...BB.....BA...OBP...SLG...OPB Ruth '27...158...192..60...164...137...356...486...772...1285 Bonds '01..129..156..73...137...177....328...515..863...1378 Ruth '21...177...204...59...171...145...378...512...846...1358 1. The thread is best you ever SEEN? Keyzer long time guy! 2. The debate will never be settled, but it was just not the same game. Teams in babe day never flip flopped pitchers with OF 's etc the way they do now, thus Bonds changed GAMES and entire strategies of opposing managers. Managers did or did not change pitchers in advance of Bonds coming to bat. |
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| Author: | T-Bone [ Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:45 am ] |
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Mr. Belvidere wrote: I love the names and the debates. That is why baseball is the best. Sorry Coast. On a different note and maybe a different post but what about some players that werentthe best but were fun to watch. Remember Dave Kingman? Willie Wilson? Al Hrobowski (SP)? Freddy Lynn? Dave Parker? Gary pettis? Craig Nettles? Greg Luzinski? Claudell Washington? Bert Campinares? Damn I could go on and on. Sorry bout that. Oh yeah.....Chet lemon, Shawon Dunston, Rudy Law, Oscar Gamble etc etc etc Growing up in Wisconsin in the early 80's the Brewers had a bunch of guys worth remembering. Cecil Cooper, Jim Gantner, Robin Yount, Paul Molitor, Ben Ogilvie, Don Sutton and Rollie Fingers were just a few names. |
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