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Author:  Mr. Belvidere [ Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:57 pm ]
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He looks like he's seeing the ball good and he never gets cheated on his swing. I admit to being concerned that maybe he would falter a little but he looks good right now. Especially in the dome in Tampa so I cant wait for it to warm up in Chicago.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:59 pm ]
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Setting the over under at 4 hours from now before bigfan swoops in to let us know that CQ is on the juice.

Take the under.

Author:  Mr. Belvidere [ Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:17 pm ]
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A sox player? I doubt it. That franchise above all others is a clean as there is.

Author:  RFDC [ Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:20 pm ]
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I don't necessarily think CQ is on the juice, but what makes you think the Sox are cleaner than other teams?

Author:  suckers playground [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:02 am ]
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The 2003 White Sox almost forced the league's hand in publicizing the results of anonymous steroid testing. It's a very cool story.

Quote:
Kelly Wunsch said that the Chicago White Sox never planned to challenge Major League Baseball's steroid testing rules, but they did so last March. As players circulated a drug test acceptance form, Wunsch said, a few wondered what would happen if they refused to be tested. What would happen, the White Sox players learned, is that they could seriously influence the future of testing.

When 16 of the 37 players on the roster did not want to be tested initially, they found out that a refusal would count as a positive and would increase the chances that major leaguers would surpass the 5 percent threshold to activate stricter testing in 2004. Some had the foresight to realize they could have an impact on forcing mandatory tests by declining to be tested this year.

After Wunsch, the White Sox player representative, discussed this with the union, Gene Orza, the union's associate general counsel, told him that each refusal would be reviewed and that almost no reasons for bypassing the test would be permitted. The holdouts, some of whom Sandy Alomar Jr. said were pushed into their decisions by veteran players, nonetheless sent a message about their desire for testing to ensure that everyone would be on an even playing field in the future. Wunsch said the 16 players eventually gave their urine samples.

''It was never meant to be a political statement or something to get media attention,'' Wunsch said last week in a telephone interview. ''If somebody respects us for doing that, that's fine. I don't think that we deserve any more respect than anybody who doesn't want cheating in the game.''


full story here: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/23/sport ... sec=health

Author:  SHARK [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:48 pm ]
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Carlos seems to be picking up where he left off before breaking his wrist in anger vs. Cliff Lee and the Indians at (Not So) Progressive Field in Cleveland last September...That and constantly getting plucked by a pitch by his Jose Canseco-like batting stance...

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:54 pm ]
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Mr. Belvidere wrote:
A sox player? I doubt it. That franchise above all others is a clean as there is.

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Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:05 pm ]
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Belle huh?

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:06 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Belle huh?

caught with the cork...got away with the juice

like another slugger from that era

i apologi

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:09 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
caught with the cork

Not with the Sox, but rather by the Sox.
rogers park bryan wrote:
got away with the juice

I suppose you have some proof?

Author:  crosscheck [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:12 pm ]
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Mr. Belvidere wrote:
He looks like he's seeing the ball good and he never gets cheated on his swing. I admit to being concerned that maybe he would falter a little but he looks good right now. Especially in the dome in Tampa so I cant wait for it to warm up in Chicago.


I agree, got to give props to kenny for bringing him here, if only Alexi would step up, I'm more afraid of him being a one year wonder, but I suspect that he'll heat up soon.

Author:  RFDC [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:14 pm ]
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I do not see any reason for the White Sox to be exempt from suspicion regarding steriods. Again, I am not suggesting CQ is on the juice, but I would bet they had just as many that were involved as any other team. IMO no teams or players are exempt from suspicion.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:17 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
caught with the cork

Not with the Sox, but rather by the Sox.
rogers park bryan wrote:
got away with the juice

I suppose you have some proof?

yes frank...i have proof albert belle took roids...its actually an intricate system of items that eventually leads to a used band aid...and that my friend is solid proof


i have as much proof as anyone has on sosa...think he didnt take em?

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:27 pm ]
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Well, did Albert Belle show up to camp one year incredibly bigger than he was the year before like Sosa did?
Did Albert Belle go from hitting a few (relatively speaking) homeruns each year to bashing 60+ in just one year?
Was Albert Belle served a subpeona to testify before congress on steriod use?

No.

Replace Belle's name with Sammy Sosa and the answer to all questions becomes a resoundning yes.

Now, I don't have proof for Sosa either, but the evidence for him is far more convincing and overwhelming than anything against Belle.

Author:  suckers playground [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:31 pm ]
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suckers playground wrote:
The 2003 White Sox almost forced the league's hand in publicizing the results of anonymous steroid testing. It's a very cool story.

Quote:
Kelly Wunsch said that the Chicago White Sox never planned to challenge Major League Baseball's steroid testing rules, but they did so last March. As players circulated a drug test acceptance form, Wunsch said, a few wondered what would happen if they refused to be tested. What would happen, the White Sox players learned, is that they could seriously influence the future of testing.

When 16 of the 37 players on the roster did not want to be tested initially, they found out that a refusal would count as a positive and would increase the chances that major leaguers would surpass the 5 percent threshold to activate stricter testing in 2004. Some had the foresight to realize they could have an impact on forcing mandatory tests by declining to be tested this year.

After Wunsch, the White Sox player representative, discussed this with the union, Gene Orza, the union's associate general counsel, told him that each refusal would be reviewed and that almost no reasons for bypassing the test would be permitted. The holdouts, some of whom Sandy Alomar Jr. said were pushed into their decisions by veteran players, nonetheless sent a message about their desire for testing to ensure that everyone would be on an even playing field in the future. Wunsch said the 16 players eventually gave their urine samples.

''It was never meant to be a political statement or something to get media attention,'' Wunsch said last week in a telephone interview. ''If somebody respects us for doing that, that's fine. I don't think that we deserve any more respect than anybody who doesn't want cheating in the game.''


full story here: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/23/sport ... sec=health


^ Worth the 30 seconds it takes to read at least the quote. Not necessarily saying that the White Sox of 2009 are any less subject to suspicion of PED abuse due to the actions of some players in 2003, but this is why the White Sox, as an organization, are held in such high regard on the issue.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:40 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Well, did Albert Belle show up to camp one year incredibly bigger than he was the year before like Sosa did?
Did Albert Belle go from hitting a few (relatively speaking) homeruns each year to bashing 60+ in just one year?
Was Albert Belle served a subpeona to testify before congress on steriod use?

No.

Replace Belle's name with Sammy Sosa and the answer to all questions becomes a resoundning yes.

Now, I don't have proof for Sosa either, but the evidence for him is far more convincing and overwhelming than anything against Belle.

Frank sosa was hitting 30 before he allegedly took flintstone vitamins...subpoena? so I guess Schilling is on the juice?


But logically...you think Belle purposely used cork...but didnt use steroids...

cmon

Author:  Brick [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:41 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
i have as much proof as anyone has on sosa...think he didnt take em?

So logically, you could think that I take steroids because you have as much proof on that as anyone has on sosa?

We found out all we needed to know about Sammy Sosa's steroid use when he forgot how to speak English in front of Congress. That is more proof than Belle, who may very well have done it too.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:42 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
i have as much proof as anyone has on sosa...think he didnt take em?

So logically, you could think that I take steroids because you have as much proof on that as anyone has on sosa?

No im only including guys who had 40+ HR seasons...i believe you topped out at 26 Rick

Author:  crosscheck [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:45 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
so I guess Schilling is on the juice?



I wish he was on the juice, I would hate for a douche bag like that to be naturally gifted.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:33 pm ]
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I'm willing to bet your 3 friends aren't pro athletes either.

Author:  RFDC [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:34 pm ]
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Anyone that actually thinks Belle is clean is fooling themselves. Sosa and Belle were both on the juice, along with many many others.

Author:  SHARK [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:39 pm ]
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RFDC wrote:
Anyone that actually thinks Belle is clean is fooling themselves. Sosa and Belle were both on the juice, along with many many others.

I think you're right about Sammy & Albert, RFDC...For the $55 million the White Sox paid Albert in 1996 as a free agent, that guy was an absolute jerk to the media & the fans when he was here!

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:39 pm ]
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Jerkiness aside, there is much more evidence Sosa was than Belle.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:41 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Jerkiness aside, there is much more evidence Sosa was than Belle.

Dont worry Frank...it will all come out....Canceco just hasnt gotten to the al central yet...he's on the way.


Why do you think he played for every team he possibly could...it was his "collecting evidence tour"

Author:  The Original Kid Cairo [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:41 pm ]
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For a long time, I've been suspicious of Bo Jackson.

Author:  SHARK [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:43 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Jerkiness aside, there is much more evidence Sosa was than Belle.

Dont worry Frank...it will all come out....Canceco just hasnt gotten to the al central yet...he's on the way.


Why do you think he played for every team he possibly could...it was his "collecting evidence tour"

Guys, I think the next time Jose Canseco drops dime on "The Dan Patrick Show", I wonder if he'll stab his White Sox teammates in the back... :?

Author:  good dolphin [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:43 pm ]
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I'm still waiting for someone to seriously call out Tiger Woods. The guy was a prototypical skinny dork even after his main growing years. Not anymore. But I'm sure it's just weight training.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:47 pm ]
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
For a long time, I've been suspicious of Bo Jackson.

funny you should mention that...i just googled albert belle steroids and the first thing that came up was...TECMO BO

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:47 pm ]
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All 3 teams of Belle's career huh? :roll:

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:50 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
All 3 teams of Belle's career huh? :roll:

dont roll your eyes at me frank


i think if you re read my post...youll see i was referring to Canseco being on a bunch of teams...I never mentioned "joey"

Frank he was probably on roids...well find out eventually

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