I'm struggling with BigFan's list here. Tom Seaver gave you two pretty good years. Steve Carlton had da fire and da passion during his ten starts for us (seriously, though, he was an August signing because our pitching staff was weak and he was more productive than most expected). Tim Raines - look, I hated to see Barry Jones traded, but Tim Raines did well enough to justify that trade, and Jones ate himself out of the league in a couple of years. I will give you George Bell, simply because he was a pain in the ass and hit way below average while here.

Vizquel - if he is limited to starting eight games and coming in as a defensive replacement in 12 more or so, I don't have a big problem with this. If injury forces him to be an everyday player, we're fucked. Jones is the signing that concerns me - as his numbers have sucked of late.

Seaver had pretty good seasons in 84 and 85 - I would settle for that type of production from our #4 or #5 starter today.

You guys are morons. Visquel is going to be a backup, and my guess is he may be with the Sox for the next few years in the coaching aspect. Its not long before Joey Cora becomes an MLB manager, and Vizquel would likely make a good bench/base coach.

Jones is only 32 (33 in April) and for $500K, anything you get out of him is worth it.

Vizquel - if he is limited to starting eight games and coming in as a defensive replacement in 12 more or so, I don't have a big problem with this. If injury forces him to be an everyday player, we're fucked. Jones is the signing that concerns me - as his numbers have sucked of late.

Rios and Peavy are big and risky long-term commitments. It must suck to be wrong so often. Please change the first name of your moniker to a gerund to be honest with us.

I don't understand the big deal here; we're arguing over $500K backups who happen to be older.

If this thread was started in March about the opening day roster, then we can bitch about Kenny's roster as a whole.

Maybe we can sign Kenny Lofton to play center? How about Gary Sheffield as DH he's only 41 years old. Since Kenny likes older pitchers there's always Randy Johnson 46, John Smoltz 42, Billy Wagner 38 and how about a pitcher with a injury Ben Sheets.

Middle of the season the Sox could have an Old Timers game at no charge.

I see Big Fan's hard-on for the Sox continues on this Thanksgiving day, along with the suckage of the Detroit Lions and the overcooking of my mother's turkey.

Not sure why this says I have a hard on for the White Sox? I think I actually said "I AGREE WITH THIS" in my post?

Yeah, and the very next sentence, you insult them. CSFMB Guy is right. This is just you pointing at anything and everything White Sox and going, "ha ha ha look at what they are doing now!".

Kenny! Kenny! Kenny!

First, why do Sox fans think this is Kenny's doing? Reinsdorf has been signing old players at the end of their careers while Kenny was trying to make it as a player? Carlton, Seaver, Raines, Bell and guys that are just at the end of their careers, willing to take anything to play. Like, Bo Jackson who wasnt old, but was amazing when healthy and came back at the end for a 1 1/2 years with the Sox. (Unless you ask Hawk, who thinks Bo played for 7 years and hit 200 giant HR's for the Sox).The list of guys goes on and on.

Second, I agree with this! I think it is a great way to run your franchise "IF" you are working on limite Funds. Which the White Sox are NOT working on! They claim they are. They are not a top 5 spending team, but they are top half! but cry like they are bottom 5?

Third, this is equivalant to me dropping a hundo on snake eyes every time. If I won, I might look like a genius, sure I have $3000 in my pocket, but I know it was just luck. (and this is where Frank C gets mad)

I doubt Reinsdorf is directing this. Williams is simply making moves to improve the bench, and neither Vizquel or Jones are expected to play anything beyond backup roles.

You are correct. I will agree Reinsdorf did not tell Kenny to go and offer Jones $500K, but it is structured just like Jerry has structured many deals over the years, before Kenny got there, thus didnt need the vast interaction ot structure a 1 year deal.

I will now wait to see how this comment is ripping the White Sox, which Frank will explain to everyone

What gets me is why did they need to do this now. BD, you are right, teams are not handing out those deals, so why did we so fast?
What if we could get JD back for $2 million, I would take that over Jones for $500,000 and from what I heard today on Sporting News Radio from some of their basbeall experts, a number of free agents could be had in the $2-3$ mill range this year.
Very Colon like in this deal (and both guys fat!), had to strike on this one right away and didn't wait to see what else we could get for the same dollars.