I didn't mean to make it sound like he does not think Frank belongs, but El Rangero presented some facts regarding the 2014 HOF class kind of crowded.
Never had more than 2 guys get in as first ballot guys. People are now talking 4 are worthy? Glavine, Maddux, Thomas, Kent.
Then you have Mussina, who is right on the tails of Glavine with 270 wins and just under 3000 K's?
Maddux and Thomas would be my top 2 and only because it's the way to HOF does things, Glavine, Kent and Mussina get in the next year, but this is going to be a factor like it or not.

What about Randy Johnson?

He played last year, these guys are a year ahead of him. I though Glavine had some minor league games though.

Has a milestone player (500 HR's, 3,000 hits, 300 wins) ever not made it in on the first ballot, except for steroids or gambling reasons? Maddux, Glavine and Frank will go in together.

I don't think they do. If you think the player was clean it's still a Hall of Fame worthy accomplishment.

The Braves won 12 consectutive division titles? It would be a shame if a voter held 'only' one World Series tiltle against two of the best pitchers of their generation.

I understand the statistics would say otherwise, but not once in his entire career did I feel like I was watching a hall of fame caliber player when watching Jeff Kent play.

I don't trust Kent at all regarding performance enhancement.

The 3,000 hits and 300 wins carry much more weight now than the 500 HR's.

Here's the list of players with over 500 career HR's:

1. Barry Bonds 762 (Steroids)
2. Hank Aaron+ 755
3. Babe Ruth+ 714
4. Willie Mays+ 660
5. Ken Griffey 630 (Generally considered clean)
6. Sammy Sosa 609 (Steroids)
7. Frank Robinson+ 586
8. Mark McGwire 583 (Steroids)
Alex Rodriguez 583 (Steroids)
10. Harmon Killebrew+ 573
11. Rafael Palmeiro 569 (Steroids)
12. Jim Thome 564 (Generally considered clean)
13. Reggie Jackson+ 563
14. Mike Schmidt+ 548
15. Manny Ramirez 546 (Steroids)
16. Mickey Mantle+ 536
17. Jimmie Foxx+ 534
18. Willie McCovey+ 521
Frank Thomas 521 (Generally considered clean)
Ted Williams+ 521
21. Ernie Banks+ 512
Eddie Mathews+ 512
23. Mel Ott+ 511
24. Gary Sheffield 509 (Steroids)
25. Eddie Murray 504

When you remove the juicers the list looks pretty damn impressive to me.

Unfortunately there is no way to know for sure but do you think it's just a coincidence that so many 'milestone' players have been exposed as steroid users? Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, Clemens, Palmeiro, A-Pud, Manny, Sheffield. Baseball has been on a quiet crusade and it will be very interesting to see if any others are exposed in the coming years.

I didn't mean to make it sound like he does not think Frank belongs, but El Rangero presented some facts regarding the 2014 HOF class kind of crowded.
Never had more than 2 guys get in as first ballot guys. People are now talking 4 are worthy? Glavine, Maddux, Thomas, Kent.
Then you have Mussina, who is right on the tails of Glavine with 270 wins and just under 3000 K's?
Maddux and Thomas would be my top 2 and only because it's the way to HOF does things, Glavine, Kent and Mussina get in the next year, but this is going to be a factor like it or not.

You have to throw Randy Johnson in there as well. No way your leaving him out. I would say Madux, Thomas, Johnson, Glavine. Kent might have to just wait til the following year.

If Rongey forgot about Johnson he probably just read the ESPN.com article which did the same. What a class thats for sure.

Wrongey making a case against Frank in the HOF

Ranger's not the only SCORE guy who thinks Frank Thomas might not get in on the first ballot. John "Rock" Mamola also says no, especially considering who else will be eligible on the first ballot with Thomas. Mamola also doesn't trust anyone from this era of Bud Selig's Major League Baseball, including Thomas, in regards to performance enhancements and steroids.

It shouldn't still surprise me that people are this bad at listening, but it does. I most definitely did not say that. I actually said the exact opposite, that I believe he should be a first-ballot guy. Cowley was on the show with me today and brought up a good point, though, that you never know with these writers. It's true. Sometimes, writers like to make themselves the story and vote (or not vote) based on some sort of "principle".

Frank should be there as soon as he's eligible.

Its Saturday night. You should be out and about, not here in the depths with us.

You ain't lyin'. Definitley as bored as I've been in about a year. Bored enough to come here. Time for a re-evaluation.

You should be at the auto show assisting with the weather updates.