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How Much Longer Do You Stay With Beckham
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Author:  good dolphin [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:51 am ]
Post subject:  How Much Longer Do You Stay With Beckham
Now that the Sox are back in the race, he is starting to become an impediment to the Sox success. He is statistically one of the worst hitters in the league right now. Even worse, it is rare to see him with a good at bat. I think the Sox give him a chance until Teahan gets back. If he is not better, let Vizquel take second with Teahan and Viciedo platooning at third.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:55 am ]
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You just answered your own question. There is nobody else to play 2nd right now. I'd much rather stick with Beckham than give Lillibridge any playing time.

Once Teahan gets back, I think you are right....Vizquel more or less becomes the everyday 2nd baseman.
Author:  RFDC [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:18 am ]
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It is crazy to think that the Sox are contenders in the division and yet Beckham is playing so poorly.
Author:  sjboyd0137 [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:27 am ]
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RFDC wrote:
It is crazy to think that the Sox are contenders in the division and yet Beckham is playing so poorly.


Offensively, yes. They started to turn things around when he got buried in the 9 hole. His defense has been solid all year though.
Author:  RFDC [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:29 am ]
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sjboyd0137 wrote:
RFDC wrote:
It is crazy to think that the Sox are contenders in the division and yet Beckham is playing so poorly.


Offensively, yes. They started to turn things around when he got buried in the 9 hole. His defense has been solid all year though.


He was in the 9 hole quite a while before they started to really get things going. And besides, if he becomes a good glove guy with a poor bat then he is a HUGE disappointment.
Author:  sjboyd0137 [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:30 am ]
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RFDC wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
RFDC wrote:
It is crazy to think that the Sox are contenders in the division and yet Beckham is playing so poorly.


Offensively, yes. They started to turn things around when he got buried in the 9 hole. His defense has been solid all year though.


He was in the 9 hole quite a while before they started to really get things going. And besides, if he becomes a good glove guy with a poor bat then he is a Pittsburgh Pirate.


Fixed
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:33 am ]
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RFDC wrote:
It is crazy to think that the Sox are contenders in the division and yet Beckham is playing so poorly.

They can get by with him doing so poorly if Konerko and Quentin keep up the power like they have been recently.
Author:  sjboyd0137 [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:33 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
RFDC wrote:
It is crazy to think that the Sox are contenders in the division and yet Beckham is playing so poorly.

They can get by with him doing so poorly if Konerko and Quentin keep up the power like they have been recently.


Rios needs to keep hitting too
Author:  Keyser Soze [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:39 am ]
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As long as Beckham keeps making all the plays (he's pretty damn good at turning DP's) he stays in the lineup everyday. When Teahen returns he can spell Vizquel at 3B and Konerko at 1B. This team started playing A lot better when the infield defense improved. No reason to mess with that now.
Author:  NearWessSideHussra [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:51 am ]
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Beckham didn't start hitting til this time last season either.
Author:  KDdidit [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:00 am ]
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NearWessSideHussra wrote:
Beckham didn't start hitting til this time last season either.

And then he hit .223 in August and whiffed 24 times.
Author:  NearWessSideHussra [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:17 am ]
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KDdidit wrote:
whiffed 24 times.



Adam Dunn considers that a good week.
Author:  BD [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:17 pm ]
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I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Beckham benched for 4 or 5 days straight, clear his head, let him work on the side with Walker, and in the film room. Obviously, he's available to play if need be, but I'd be ok with giving Lillibridge and Vazquez a few games at 2B. Beckham just looks horrible at the plate.
Author:  SHARK [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:21 pm ]
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BD wrote:
I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Beckham benched for 4 or 5 days straight, clear his head, let him work on the side with Walker, and in the film room. Obviously, he's available to play if need be, but I'd be ok with giving Lillibridge and Vazquez a few games at 2B. Beckham just looks horrible at the plate.

Vazquez? Who the hell is he? :lol: :lol: If General Manager Kenny Williams is smart, he calls his counterpart on the North side and inquires about Ryan Theriot, Jeff Baker or Mike Fontenot. There's nobody in the White Sox system right now worth calling up to send Beckham down to Charlotte. You know it. I know it. Joe Cowley knows it. Ozzie knows it too.
Author:  badrogue17 [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:39 pm ]
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This sounds like it couldve been cut n pasted from a thread about Brian Anderson a few years back, just a different name in the title.
Author:  Fixed Glee [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:11 pm ]
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I believe he's 2-2 so far tonight with an RBI and run scored and it's only in the 4th.
Author:  NearWessSideHussra [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:36 pm ]
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If does this again next season, Sox might want to consider trading him to a hot weather franchise.
Author:  newper [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:33 pm ]
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I think you have to let him play out the year. If I remember correctly, he started something like three hits in his first thirty at bats, so he might be prone to streakiness. Konerko does the same thing. To me, there would be little point in shutting him down now.
Author:  johnnyfontane [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:39 pm ]
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Dunn for Beckham. How do you like that trade now (similar to the Adrian Gonzalez for Beckham preseason talk)?
Author:  BD [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:20 am ]
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johnnyfontane wrote:
Dunn for Beckham. How do you like that trade now (similar to the Adrian Gonzalez for Beckham preseason talk)?


Dunn is a free agent though in 3 months. I doubt the Sox trade him for a rent-a-player.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:43 am ]
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BD wrote:
johnnyfontane wrote:
Dunn for Beckham. How do you like that trade now (similar to the Adrian Gonzalez for Beckham preseason talk)?


Dunn is a free agent though in 3 months. I doubt the Sox trade him for a rent-a-player.

Exactly. Dunn is a rent a player. You give up a mid level prospect or 2 and pick up the remaining salary. Anything more (I.E. Beckham, Hudson, etc) and Dunn isn't worth it at this point.
Author:  Rod [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:40 am ]
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I don't think Beckham is going anywhere. And I don't think he's going to hit .210 for his career either. He'll be fine.

That being said, you can see that baseball is going through a sea change what with 30+ pitchers sporting ERAs less than 3 and all these no-hitters being pitched. The days of nine hole hitters with .850 OPS appear to be over.

If you're under 30 you probably don't remember the way the game used to be played, but it wasn't uncommon for a team to have a slick fielding middle infielder or a centerfielder with a batting average around .220. And they could live with that. I think you're going to see that again in the coming years. Hell, if we get back to a time when teams are hitting about 120 homers per season, I may even stop railing against stealing and sacrificing.
Author:  Hawkeye Vince [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:00 am ]
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newper wrote:
If I remember correctly, he started something like three hits in his first thirty at bats, so he might be prone to streakiness.


A streak is 30 at bats....this is the third month of the season.
Author:  johnnyfontane [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:02 am ]
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If Kenny isn't going to sign a power lefty 1B type like Dunn or AGone, he's got some problems. Is his plan to try and sign Konerko with a hometown discount again? Ideally he would like a lefty 1B and DH next year. If he doesn't have the money to spend for either then he's screwed. He can either pay $18-25M for a quality bat (including maybe Fielder) or $10-15M for Konerko, Carlos Pena, or the like. I guess my point is, if Dunn is only a rent-a-player, then that's Kenny admitting he's got no money for any quality lefty bats next year.
Author:  Hawkeye Vince [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:03 am ]
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johnny - I'm not following the logic.
Author:  johnnyfontane [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:06 am ]
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OK, my assumption is that if you trade a top prospect for Dunn, you do it with the intention of signing him long term. Otherwise, it may be too high a price to pay for a 3 month rental. That's all.
Author:  Rod [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:51 am ]
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johnnyfontane wrote:
OK, my assumption is that if you trade a top prospect for Dunn, you do it with the intention of signing him long term. Otherwise, it may be too high a price to pay for a 3 month rental. That's all.


Well, you do get the draft picks.

But what about a deal for Prince Fielder?
Author:  badrogue17 [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:54 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
johnnyfontane wrote:
OK, my assumption is that if you trade a top prospect for Dunn, you do it with the intention of signing him long term. Otherwise, it may be too high a price to pay for a 3 month rental. That's all.


Well, you do get the draft picks.

But what about a deal for Prince Fielder?

Oooohh, you made me tingle with that possibility Joseph :wink:
Author:  johnnyfontane [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:33 am ]
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Yeah, I was surprised to hear that the Brewers are not pursuing a contract with Fielder at this time. They may not have the money.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:36 am ]
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Beckahm for Dunn, and now this:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
But what about a deal for Prince Fielder?

Coming from the same guy who said to me, "I know a fuck of a lot more about baseball than you do."

Feel free to start showing off that knowledge anytime now.
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