Phil McCracken wrote:
No Kenny just signed whistler to finish out the rest of the season on the south side
That is only slightly worse than the Manny signing
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | World Series Honeymoon |
The question after the WS was how long the warm glow of the victory would last for the team. It probably ended last year. However, you can say with certainty that it ends now. 4-5 years. |
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| Author: | Mr. Reason [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
I started getting impatient in 1911. |
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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
Mr. Reason wrote: I started getting impatient in 1911. What were you, about 65? |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
I think this was Kenny's worst offseason to date. Ozzie has made a lot of questionable move this year, but I also think he got a lot more wins out of this team than they had the talent level for. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
Frank Coztansa wrote: I think this was Kenny's worst offseason to date. Ozzie has made a lot of questionable move this year, but I also think he got a lot more wins out of this team than they had the talent level for. True on both counts. Blaming the coach for decisions that are within the GMs job description should be a firable offense. Teahan...really? You give Ozzie a washed up, grindy veteran and you know he is going to start/overuse him. He's done it for the past half decade. So don't supply him with such a guy. You watch, the Sox will re sign Vizquel. Ozzie will start him at third all year and he will hit .250. As average as I think Ozzie is, he got more wins out of this group than I projected. |
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| Author: | whistler [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
good dolphin wrote: As average as I think Ozzie is, he got more wins out of this group than I projected. right i thought the Sox would be just as bad as last year when they started signing these retread veterans who were at the end of their careers Andruw Jones, Vizquel, Kotsay, Juann Pierre All those guys plus Teahan minus Kotsay have had really good years and gotten clutch hits for us |
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| Author: | Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
Something about a player development system..........A GOOD ONE...... |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
I don't want anyone gone but if someone has to go it's definitley Ozzie. WS winning managers are easier to find than a WS winning GM. There's a WS winning manager rotting away in the Cubs broadcast booth and Ozzie, LaRussa, Girardi and Torre could all be relocating this offseason. Are any WS winning GM's going to be fired after the season? Cashman? Theo? Amaro? Dombrowski? Hell no. St Louis got rid of Walt Jocketty and do you think they are regretting that decision (Cincy sure is happy about it)? IF a change is going to be made it has to be in the dugout. |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
whistler wrote: good dolphin wrote: As average as I think Ozzie is, he got more wins out of this group than I projected. right i thought the Sox would be just as bad as last year when they started signing these retread veterans who were at the end of their careers Andruw Jones, Vizquel, Kotsay, Juann Pierre All those guys plus Teahan minus Kotsay have had really good years and gotten clutch hits for us Do those guys play for the Cubs? |
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| Author: | Phil McCracken [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
Hank Scorpio wrote: whistler wrote: good dolphin wrote: As average as I think Ozzie is, he got more wins out of this group than I projected. right i thought the Sox would be just as bad as last year when they started signing these retread veterans who were at the end of their careers Andruw Jones, Vizquel, Kotsay, Juann Pierre All those guys plus Teahan minus Kotsay have had really good years and gotten clutch hits for us Do those guys play for the Cubs? No Kenny just signed whistler to finish out the rest of the season on the south side |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
Keyser Soze wrote: I don't want anyone gone but if someone has to go it's definitley Ozzie. WS winning managers are easier to find than a WS winning GM. There's a WS winning manager rotting away in the Cubs broadcast booth and Ozzie, LaRussa, Girardi and Torre could all be relocating this offseason. Are any WS winning GM's going to be fired after the season? Cashman? Theo? Amaro? Dombrowski? Hell no. St Louis got rid of Walt Jocketty and do you think they are regretting that decision (Cincy sure is happy about it)? IF a change is going to be made it has to be in the dugout. the most logical move is Williams getting bumped up the heirarchy with Hahn taking over as GM |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
Phil McCracken wrote: No Kenny just signed whistler to finish out the rest of the season on the south side That is only slightly worse than the Manny signing
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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
Phil McCracken wrote: No Kenny just signed whistler to finish out the rest of the season on the south side That's exactly what this team needs, cubbiegirlwhistler |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
good dolphin wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: I think this was Kenny's worst offseason to date. Ozzie has made a lot of questionable move this year, but I also think he got a lot more wins out of this team than they had the talent level for. True on both counts. Blaming the coach for decisions that are within the GMs job description should be a firable offense. Teahan...really? You give Ozzie a washed up, grindy veteran and you know he is going to start/overuse him. He's done it for the past half decade. So don't supply him with such a guy. You watch, the Sox will re sign Vizquel. Ozzie will start him at third all year and he will hit .250. As average as I think Ozzie is, he got more wins out of this group than I projected. Ok. But Jerry has the veto power. Plus, it has been stated that Ozzie has more of Jerry's ear than Kenny does. I know the GM has to make the personnel decisions but what happened with Thome and who knows who else. It seems to me, and I may be wrong, that the chain of command is a little messed up right now. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
good dolphin wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: I don't want anyone gone but if someone has to go it's definitley Ozzie. WS winning managers are easier to find than a WS winning GM. There's a WS winning manager rotting away in the Cubs broadcast booth and Ozzie, LaRussa, Girardi and Torre could all be relocating this offseason. Are any WS winning GM's going to be fired after the season? Cashman? Theo? Amaro? Dombrowski? Hell no. St Louis got rid of Walt Jocketty and do you think they are regretting that decision (Cincy sure is happy about it)? IF a change is going to be made it has to be in the dugout. the most logical move is Williams getting bumped up the heirarchy with Hahn taking over as GM Like the Bulls did with Paxson? What good will that do? |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
The edit function sucks. My biggest complaint with Ozzie is he seems more worried about winning tomorrow's game rather than today's game. There is zero sense of urgency with this team and that all starts with him. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
-Keep Kenny out of the public eye and (for the most part) out of Ozzie's office -Still gives Kenny the input on deals and signings -Might take away some of the power he has to make deals i.e., getting Tehean= not too bad. Signing him for 3 years= bad. -Ozzie also had to deal with a bad and oft injured/"unavailable" Jenks this season. Give a manager a bad bullpen and thats the best way to make a manager look bad. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
I don't see anything on that list that makes the organization better. Maybe the bullpen wore down because of the way the manager used them? |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
Keyser Soze wrote: The edit function sucks. My biggest complaint with Ozzie is he seems more worried about winning tomorrow's game rather than today's game. There is zero sense of urgency with this team and that all starts with him. His qoute before yesterdays ass-fucking of the Sox by the Twins raised my brow a bit "No, we don't need to sweep because, ya knooow, the puts a lot of pressure on the players." 
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
Everybody in that pen sucked right after the break. How many times was Jenks not available, so Ozzie HAD to use somebody else? Christ, the fucking kid they drafted THIS YEAR is in thier bullpen because Ozzie needed another dependable arm. They also have a shortstop in the pen. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
Both very good moves by the general manager. I said I don't want to see any changes but IF a change is going to be made it's an absolute no brainer Ozzie goes before Kenny. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
Both are also lightining in a bottle moves. Sale and Santos have both been godsends in that pen. You also have to give Ozzie a ton of credit for using both Santos and Sale in tough situations. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
Lightining in a bottle moves which were available to 29 other teams in Santos' case and 12 teams in Sale's case if they had the knowledge and balls to make them. |
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| Author: | Hagbard Celine [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
Ozzie and Kenny have their lips planted firmly on Reinsdorf's rear end. So no moves will be forthcoming unless\until there is a string of disastrous seasons, like what happened eventually with Krause and the Bulls. And Krause is back working with the White Sox. There is a type of individual Reinsdorf can't get enough of - the sychophant. |
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| Author: | Country Bumpkin [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
Ozzie's record in one of the most important months, August, is putrid. Bring me any of the following managers: 1.) Gardy 2.) Joe Maddon 3.) Mike Scoscia Also, promote/terminate Kenny and bring me the following GM's 1.) Theo Epstein 2.) Rick Hahn 3.) Andrew Friedman Final thought, do the Sox need to hit rock bottom in order to get better? Treading water at .500 and a bit above has not improved this team greatly. |
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| Author: | Hagbard Celine [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
Country Bumpkin wrote: Final thought, do the Sox need to hit rock bottom in order to get better? Treading water at .500 and a bit above has not improved this team greatly. I think that is precisely what Reinsdorf has calculated - that treading water is enough to keep the club profitable. However, I believe that calculation is based on a pre-recession economy - I'm not sure if its still valid. I think Reinsdorf would move\sell the team if the economy doesn't get better. It wouldn't surprise me if in the next 5 or 10 years Chicago becomes a one baseball team town. |
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| Author: | Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
Hagbard Celine wrote: Country Bumpkin wrote: Final thought, do the Sox need to hit rock bottom in order to get better? Treading water at .500 and a bit above has not improved this team greatly. I think that is precisely what Reinsdorf has calculated - that treading water is enough to keep the club profitable. However, I believe that calculation is based on a pre-recession economy - I'm not sure if its still valid. I think Reinsdorf would move\sell the team if the economy doesn't get better. It wouldn't surprise me if in the next 5 or 10 years Chicago becomes a one baseball team town. Where, exactly, could the White Sox move? Havana, Cuba? Honolulu? |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
Hagbard Celine wrote: It wouldn't surprise me if in the next 5 or 10 years Chicago becomes a one baseball team town. Maybe when the Cubs move to the former site of Arlington Park. |
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| Author: | Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: World Series Honeymoon |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Hagbard Celine wrote: It wouldn't surprise me if in the next 5 or 10 years Chicago becomes a one baseball team town. Maybe when the Cubs move to the former site of Arlington Park. Is Dutchie Caray ought there looking for a bar yet? |
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