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Pauly talking about the standing ovation he received yesterday:

"I almost feel guilty now. If I was to come back and this happened a couple of years from now, I feel like no man should get what I got today twice."

This is a fantastic quote. He didn't say 5 years from now or 4 years from now or even 3 years from now. He said a couple years from now. Obviously Pauly is a must resign and if he's only looking for 'a couple of years' it should be done deal.


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Hope he stays, he's a refreshing throwback ( though he still going to make better than 10 mil a year ) who puts team first, doesnt showboat, plays clean, says and does all the right things. Conducts himself like an athlete should. Any team should be glad to have him.

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Konerko has already indicated that he will expplore the options open to him and money will not be the only consideration. He's looking for the best situation for himself and his family. He said that it's possible the highest offer could come from the Sox and he might still sign elsewhere. Obviously he has but a few years left in his career. If he's smart (which I think he is) he recognizes that the Sox will be hard pressed to beat the Twins for the A.L. Central division title in the next couple of years. He knows the wild card will likely come from the 2nd place finisher in the A.L. East as well, so chances for post-season play on the South side is not outstanding. He re-signed with the Sox after the World Series, with the expectation the Sox might have the chance to win another title. But now the situation is very different. I don't expect he will be with the Sox in 2011.

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now if he were to join the cubs, who need a 1B, by hendry's metrics we would be roughly three moves away from depends sales skyrocketing in the greater philadelphia metropolitan area.

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Konerko has already indicated that he will expplore the options open to him and money will not be the only consideration. He's looking for the best situation for himself and his family. He said that it's possible the highest offer could come from the Sox and he might still sign elsewhere. Obviously he has but a few years left in his career. If he's smart (which I think he is) he recognizes that the Sox will be hard pressed to beat the Twins for the A.L. Central division title in the next couple of years. He knows the wild card will likely come from the 2nd place finisher in the A.L. East as well, so chances for post-season play on the South side is not outstanding. He re-signed with the Sox after the World Series, with the expectation the Sox might have the chance to win another title. But now the situation is very different. I don't expect he will be with the Sox in 2011.


Come on, Steve. You know that isn't how baseball works. We can bet whatever you want that the Twins don't win the Central the next two seasons. And I'm not suggesting the Sox will either. It's just not something that's so easy to predict. I can tell you one thing. I don't think the Sox are going to have a losing record vs. the Central next season. So they've improved right there already.

If I'm reading between the lines correctly, I don't believe Konerko's "best situation" has the slightest thing to do with playing on the team most likely to win. And I don't think he can find a team to pay him that's more likely to win than the White Sox anyhow. I believe location is what he's referring to. He lives in Scottsdale and his wife may prefer a Western team. That's all. I certainly don't think the Diamondbacks have a better chance to win than the White Sox. And I don't think they'll pay more either. But he could end up there.

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I don't see how he goes to the NL. Yeah, he can still play a pretty solid first base, but I can't see that lasting more than a season or so. I also think that he can stay a viable 1st baseman longer if he is able to DH 7-10 times a month.

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I don't see how he goes to the NL. Yeah, he can still play a pretty solid first base, but I can't see that lasting more than a season or so. I also think that he can stay a viable 1st baseman longer if he is able to DH 7-10 times a month.


I think that has to be a consideration for him too. But where is he going to go? I'm not sure Anaheim is a fit anymore. You have to admit he sounds wistful about his time with the Sox. Almost as if he's made up his mind to leave regardless of the money. What AL team do you think is a better fit for him?

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the rangers could use a slugging 1B. this year they used chris davis, justin smoak, jorge cantu, and mitch moreland. altho i'm presuming they work something out with their 95+% DH, vladimir guerrero, as there is a mutual option for circa 8 million next year which i can see the rangers jumping at and vlad being "hmmmmm"

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I heard the uptempo smallball Angels were interested in the slowest first baseman in the league.

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He'll be a great addition to the roster up in Minnesota when Morneau signs those retirement papers. Of course he won't know what he's signing...

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Konerko has already indicated that he will expplore the options open to him and money will not be the only consideration. He's looking for the best situation for himself and his family. He said that it's possible the highest offer could come from the Sox and he might still sign elsewhere. Obviously he has but a few years left in his career. If he's smart (which I think he is) he recognizes that the Sox will be hard pressed to beat the Twins for the A.L. Central division title in the next couple of years. He knows the wild card will likely come from the 2nd place finisher in the A.L. East as well, so chances for post-season play on the South side is not outstanding. He re-signed with the Sox after the World Series, with the expectation the Sox might have the chance to win another title. But now the situation is very different. I don't expect he will be with the Sox in 2011.


Come on, Steve. You know that isn't how baseball works. We can bet whatever you want that the Twins don't win the Central the next two seasons. And I'm not suggesting the Sox will either. It's just not something that's so easy to predict. I can tell you one thing. I don't think the Sox are going to have a losing record vs. the Central next season. So they've improved right there already.

If I'm reading between the lines correctly, I don't believe Konerko's "best situation" has the slightest thing to do with playing on the team most likely to win. And I don't think he can find a team to pay him that's more likely to win than the White Sox anyhow. I believe location is what he's referring to. He lives in Scottsdale and his wife may prefer a Western team. That's all. I certainly don't think the Diamondbacks have a better chance to win than the White Sox. And I don't think they'll pay more either. But he could end up there.


Do you play golf Joe?? If so, I'll bet you a round of golf , that the Twins win the A.l. Central again next season. The bet to be paid off within 2 weeks of the season concluding. I think I would enjoy golfing and talking Baseball with you win or lose. Let me know....I think the Twins will only add to the team this winter. Not only do I think young guys like Valencia (taking over for Punto) and Casilla (taking Orlado Hudsons spot) will make the team better in 2011, but I think the Twins will spend more too. I see them goiing after a guy like Cliff Lee too. With all the extra money they generated from the new park and making the playoffs, I think they will be bidding on a couple key guys....not that they really need all that much.

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FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal, who will be back on FOX's MLB coverage starting October 16th for the National League Championship Series, was a guest this morning with 670 The SCORE's "Mully & Hanley" as he has been all season.

Rosenthal feels that the White Sox will work something out with Paul Konerko, but believes that Anthony John Pierzynski's on the way out despite huge questions about Tyler Flowers and the White Sox' catching situation moving forward. Let's not forget that Joe Fan didn't exactly fill U.S. Cellular Field as much as they have in recent years and there are supposed budget constraints that'll play factors in whether the Sox will break the bank to keep Konerko and/or Pierzynski in silver & black uniforms next year and beyond.


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Let's not forget that Joe Fan didn't exactly fill U.S. Cellular Field as much as they have in recent years

Yeah, that world-famous White Sox attendance really took a precipitous decline.

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FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal, who will be back on FOX's MLB coverage starting October 16th for the National League Championship Series, was a guest this morning with 670 The SCORE's "Mully & Hanley" as he has been all season.

Rosenthal feels that the White Sox will work something out with Paul Konerko, but believes that Anthony John Pierzynski's on the way out despite huge questions about Tyler Flowers and the White Sox' catching situation moving forward. Let's not forget that Joe Fan didn't exactly fill U.S. Cellular Field as much as they have in recent years and there are supposed budget constraints that'll play factors in whether the Sox will break the bank to keep Konerko and/or Pierzynski in silver & black uniforms next year and beyond.


The Sox always have "supposed budget constraints" but they never seem to really exist in the way the fans and reporters believe. It's just a bunch of stuff that reporters and fans pipe about when they really have no clue. Of course Kenny is going to talk about a budget. But we don't really know what it is. The White Sox have an undeserved reputation for being cheap when they really aren't. Their payroll next season will probably be over $100 million. I don't know if they'll re-sign A.J., but I don't think they'll be going into the season with Tyler Flowers as the number one catcher.

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For a team with "budget concerns," they sure like piling on tons of payroll at the deadline in quixotic attempts to beat the Twins. Kenny Williams crying poor before buying big players in August is becoming as perennial as whispering that Konerko is going to the Angels.

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Kenny Williams crying poor before buying big players in August is becoming as perennial as the Brian Roberts to the Cubs trade.

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For a team with "budget concerns," they sure like piling on tons of payroll at the deadline in quixotic attempts to beat the Twins. Kenny Williams crying poor before buying big players in August is becoming as perennial as whispering that Konerko is going to the Angels.
Quixotic seems interesting considering the last 2 years the Sox have finished 6 games behind the Twins and the year before they won the division. 6 games is not so massive of a margin in a season as long as the baseball season.

I guess it's bad to go out and try and win with the best options available. It would be better if they simply never spent any extra money.

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They were seven games back last year, and were nine games back when they were mathematically eliminated. They were as many as 12 games back this year before they made up some meaningless ground at the end of the season. Quixotic seems right.

Thank God for a favorable coin flip and a conference where 89 wins gets the division in 2007.

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You are right about last year. For some reason, mlb.com started the search on october 3rd and when I went to the year before it missed the last game.

Even still, in a season of 162 games it's not like a 6 to 7 game lead is insurmountable.

What do you mean about a coin flip? Are you saying that the White Sox only won because they played at home in 2007? Do you have a statistical basis for that because that seems a lot like an argument that Elmhurst Steve tried to make?

I'll ask you the same question. Was it wrong of the White Sox to add payroll in an attempt to win a division title and make the playoffs?

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Yes. It has been a desperate ploy to keep people coming to the ballpark in September despite superior teams in the division. In the Sox organization would take more than a week-by-week view of their prospects, the team would be immeasurably stronger.

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Do you have a statistical basis for that

They were 1-8 at the Metrodome in 2007, and won a one run game to go to the playoffs. Yes, the White Sox won because they benefited from a rule so stupid that MLB immediately amended it.

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They won Game 163 1-0. I suppose the Twins offense would have exploded if that game happened to be at the Metrodome :roll:

If the Twins bats were able to muster up a few more runs against those mighty Royals (whom they were playing IN the Metrodome), the play-in game never would have happened.

AND, the 2007 team was 72-90. The 2008 team won the Central Division.

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You got me! It was the 2008 team that won one game at the Metrodome all season, won a coinflip, then snuck past the Twins at home and won their 89th game. Good call, Frank!

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Are you saying that the White Sox only won because they played at home in 2007?

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So are you saying that playing at home in a playoff type situation is a "significant advantage"?
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Yes. It has been a desperate ploy to keep people coming to the ballpark in September despite superior teams in the division. In the Sox organization would take more than a week-by-week view of their prospects, the team would be immeasurably stronger.
That may be true this year but you can't really say that about the year before. On September 4th, 2009 , with one month left to go in the season, they were one game behind eventual division champion Minnesota. It looks terrible that they were 12 games behind first at that stage but Minnesota was 11 games behind. In hindsight, the division was still clearly up for grabs.

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You got me! It was the 2008 team that won one game at the Metrodome all season, won a coinflip, then snuck past the Twins at home and won their 89th game. Good call, Frank!


Adress this point then that you skipped the first time round:
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They were 1-8 at the Metrodome in 2007, and won a one run game to go to the playoffs. Yes, the White Sox won because they benefited from a rule so stupid that MLB immediately amended it.
If the Twins got to play at home, they would have benefited from it too obviously. Would I be fine to give the team a pass for not making the playoffs because of it?

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In hindsight, the division was still clearly up for grabs.

WAIT!!!! WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT!!! I call BS. Recall the Wisconsin basketball conversations from this past Big Ten season?
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So are you saying that playing at home in a playoff type situation is a "significant advantage"?

I'm saying that in a one game situation where one team has proven they are almost incapable of winning at a particular location, it is more likely than not that a one run game would have gone the other way.

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