immessedup17 wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
False alarm...nothing to see here...yet
Now, we have something to see here.
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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Quentin for Ibanez? |
Still trying to confirm... |
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| Author: | Bucky Chris [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
Supposedly a done deal? |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
I refuse to believe this until it is confirmed by Chris's guy. |
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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
Bucky Chris wrote: Supposedly a done deal? I heard from someone, who heard from someone in Philly. I'm trying to confirm it now. |
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| Author: | walkrman5 [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
What did Boers' guy say? |
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| Author: | Rod [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
Why would the Sox trade Quentin for a 40 year old guy? Maybe Mac was right and they are trying to assemble an old-timers team. |
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| Author: | Krazy Ivan [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
I'm going to go ahead and confirm this deal. I'll answer everyones questions later... |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Why would the Sox trade Quentin for a 40 year old guy? Maybe Mac was right and they are trying to assemble an old-timers team. That should be right up your alley. |
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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Why would the Sox trade Quentin for a 40 year old guy? Maybe Mac was right and they are trying to assemble an old-timers team. Softball Team |
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| Author: | Rod [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
RFDC wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Why would the Sox trade Quentin for a 40 year old guy? Maybe Mac was right and they are trying to assemble an old-timers team. That should be right up your alley. I beg your pardon? |
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| Author: | Bucky Chris [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
RFDC wrote: I refuse to believe this until it is confirmed by Chris's guy. Meh, don't really have a baseball guy. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: RFDC wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Why would the Sox trade Quentin for a 40 year old guy? Maybe Mac was right and they are trying to assemble an old-timers team. That should be right up your alley. I beg your pardon? I never promised you a rose garden |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
I think your source in Philly is the guy that got tasered. |
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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
Keyser Soze wrote: I think your source in Philly is the guy that got tasered. Possible |
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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
False alarm...nothing to see here...yet ESPNChicago.com wrote: On Wednesday ESPN.com Jayson Stark reported the White Sox and Philadelphia Phillies have been talking about a trade that would send Carlos Quentin to Philadelphia. A White Sox source told ESPNChicago.com that the Sox are not shopping Quentin at this time.
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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
immessedup17 wrote: sjboyd0137 wrote: False alarm...nothing to see here...yet Now, we have something to see here. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
immessedup17 wrote: sjboyd0137 wrote: False alarm...nothing to see here...yet I raise 4... 
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| Author: | bigfan [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
The Score should have a Sox guy! Who would know about things like this |
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| Author: | Mr. Hernandez [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
walkrman5 wrote: What did Boers' guy say? knew about the possibility a couple weeks ago... |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
He hasn't checked the voicemail yet... |
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| Author: | sinicalypse [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
 you know, the guy's going to be 38 next june. he had a really nice three year run in seattle, somehow even managing a .290/30/120 one of those years... then he had that gangbusters start to the 09 season in philly where it was like OMFG RAUL IBANEZ!! after he got inserted into that stacked philly lineup and played in a bandbox, he was amazing during the first half of 09.... but then in teh second half, he fell the fuck off (injury?) and the head of dennis green began to rise up over the horizon... which carried into his thoroughly pedestrian 2010 season. he signed a three year deal going into 09 at roughly $10-11 mil per year, and now with domonic brown on the horizon (his extra-large cup of coffee last year wasn't exactly upping depends sales in philly, but he did put on some impressive displays in spring training 2010) so maybe you can get him for a song? i dunno why the phillies would want carlos quentin, unless they figure he's younger/cheaper and maybe you put him in that bandbox with that lineup he has some raul-type-magic and at worst you save a few bucks before giving domonic brown a real shot? the sox' potential offseason plans aren't exactly inspiring confidence in me... although i confess that i had forgotten that matsui managed ~.275/20/80 last year for the angels, coming off of his world series MVP season.... that prospect just doesn't excite me. granted, if you make the postseason the guy does have a .930 career OPS with a pretty good sample size. i'd also note that vlad is more than likely going to be back on the market (it's one of those mutual options that never gets picked up, cuz if the player does well fuck that he wants new paper, and if he blows fuck that the team doesn't want him) and even tho his postseason sucked, personal bias aside, i'd still roll the dice on vlad in a bandbox before i did it with matsui, who had an awfully quiet/pointless .275/20/80 last year. granted, once again, vlad fell the fuck off in mid-late july and swooned until september, when josh hamilton went down for awhile and he started picking up the pace to manage to scrape together a little more power and a push to get right back to .300 for the season... i'd love to see vlad on the whitesox. if he avoided a late-season-swoon and could get back to his career average of .320 that'd be awfully nice. both he and matsui don't strike out much, tho an alarming trend for vlad in the last two seasons is basically he's said "fuck this, i'm swinging" and taken unusually low #s of walks, even tho he only struck out 60 times last year. |
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
Looking at this for what it's worth.....Ibanez would give you a first baseman that would potentially make up for a loss of Konerko. His 2011 salary is quite high so I would guess Philly would be sending some cash in the deal (I think he's on the order of 12M next year and Quentin is Arb Eligible for 2 more years - would get a raise from 3.2M). Quentin is a 'what if' game. If you think he tapped out his potential in 2008 and will neve rget back to that level, you make the deal.....If you think he can get close to those again, you dont. |
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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
Hawkeye Vince wrote: Looking at this for what it's worth.....Ibanez would give you a first baseman that would potentially make up for a loss of Konerko. His 2011 salary is quite high so I would guess Philly would be sending some cash in the deal (I think he's on the order of 12M next year and Quentin is Arb Eligible for 2 more years - would get a raise from 3.2M). Quentin is a 'what if' game. If you think he tapped out his potential in 2008 and will neve rget back to that level, you make the deal.....If you think he can get close to those again, you dont. Can Ibanez play 1st? |
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
sjboyd0137 wrote: Hawkeye Vince wrote: Looking at this for what it's worth.....Ibanez would give you a first baseman that would potentially make up for a loss of Konerko. His 2011 salary is quite high so I would guess Philly would be sending some cash in the deal (I think he's on the order of 12M next year and Quentin is Arb Eligible for 2 more years - would get a raise from 3.2M). Quentin is a 'what if' game. If you think he tapped out his potential in 2008 and will neve rget back to that level, you make the deal.....If you think he can get close to those again, you dont. Can Ibanez play 1st? He used to play first when he was in Seattle. He'd probably have to 're-learn' it. |
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| Author: | Apologist [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
Yeah he can, but looking at his age, career arc, and diminishing skills, there is nothing resembling a $12MM first basemen here. Regardless what you think of Quentin, this deal would be a case of a salary dump for the Phils in a surplus position, and Kenny being the sucker. |
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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
Apologist wrote: Yeah he can, but looking at his age, career arc, and diminishing skills, there is nothing resembling a $12MM first basemen here. Regardless what you think of Quentin, this deal would be a case of a salary dump for the Phils in a surplus position, and Kenny being the sucker. Agreed, it seems like this would be another case of Kenny getting a guy he actually wanted 5 years ago (Griffey) I looked up his numbers, and other than about 2 games in the last couple of years, he hasn't even been a part time first baseman since 03/04. Trying to relearn the position at this point screams Mark Teahen at 3rd all over again. http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ra01.shtml |
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| Author: | Rod [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
Hawkeye Vince wrote: Looking at this for what it's worth.....Ibanez would give you a first baseman that would potentially make up for a loss of Konerko. His 2011 salary is quite high so I would guess Philly would be sending some cash in the deal (I think he's on the order of 12M next year and Quentin is Arb Eligible for 2 more years - would get a raise from 3.2M). Quentin is a 'what if' game. If you think he tapped out his potential in 2008 and will neve rget back to that level, you make the deal.....If you think he can get close to those again, you dont. I just think he can be part of a deal that brings something better than Ibanez. |
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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Hawkeye Vince wrote: Looking at this for what it's worth.....Ibanez would give you a first baseman that would potentially make up for a loss of Konerko. His 2011 salary is quite high so I would guess Philly would be sending some cash in the deal (I think he's on the order of 12M next year and Quentin is Arb Eligible for 2 more years - would get a raise from 3.2M). Quentin is a 'what if' game. If you think he tapped out his potential in 2008 and will neve rget back to that level, you make the deal.....If you think he can get close to those again, you dont. I just think he can be part of a deal that brings something better than Ibanez. This is something I completely agree with. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:11 am ] |
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| Author: | Krazy Ivan [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Quentin for Ibanez? |
Krazy Ivan wrote: I'm going to go ahead and confirm this deal. I'll answer everyones questions later... Kenny Williams lied to me... 
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