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Author:  bigfan [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:34 am ]
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Sure Jay Williams gets his $6 mill after an injury and eveyrone says what a great guy Jerry is

Bill Cartwright, how Jerry is so nice.

Jackson Stiles, 5 year old fan nailed in the head this year.....Nope sorry!
Her 5-year-old son, Jackson, was struck in the head by a smash foul ball off Gordon Beckham’s bat. The youngster was sitting just rows off of third base — prime foul-ball territory.

Jackson suffered a fractured skull and bleeding in the brain. The swelling went down after a day in the intensive care unit. The hospital bill was $20,000, and the family is liable for $2,000 of that cost.

A lawyer friend called the White Sox to see if they would pay the bill.

“They told him no, that there was an assumption to the risk of being at the game,” Ambrosia Stiles said.

The Sox did send Jackson autographs of A.J. Pierzynski and invited him back for another game, but Jason Stiles says the team never followed up to see how Jackson was doing.

“For all they know he could have long-term injuries, he could have died a week later and they would have never known,” the father said.

The Stiles say they believe the Sox should pay the remaining medical bills, but the ballclub has no plans to help with the bill. A sox spokesperson says they are glad Jackson is feeling better and stressed that there are various signs and announcements made during the game warning fans of potential risk.

Let me actually defend Jerry to a point here. I am guessing he is not aware of this and I would be surprised if he does not make this more than right. However, this is the type of organization he runs. IF you don't have a name or no publicity comes of it, the people that work there are really unhelpful and when a second person responds under the title of "Sox spokesperson" then you no longer have one person making a bad call, but you have an issue with the people working there overall that are just corporate YES MEN...and YES, this is exactly what Ricketts is filling his cabinet with.

Please do not try and tell me nothing is being done to try and set legal precedent, because tons of people get hurt at events and USUALLY in such a life or death situation a team or player does step in and does the right thing which is cover the medical expenses.
Author:  Brick [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:43 am ]
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What is more logical?

1) Jerry wanted to save $2,000
2) It is accepted MLB protocol that fans in attendance are there at their own risk and that paying this could possibly be used against them in a legal ruling later on and they didn't want to set a precedent.

I'm going to go with #2. I don't think any owner would do it differently. In fact, my guess is that MLB has instructed them not to do so.

In 2002, a girl was killed at a hockey game. The team did not cover those medical bills. The family ended up having to sue them and won. http://www.thebatt.com/2.8511/family-of-girl-killed-by-hockey-puck-gets-settlement-1.1205620
Author:  Rod [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:52 am ]
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I would guess Rick is probably right that it's just a standing policy of MLB to deal with injured fans that way because of the liability factors.

There is an Illinois Appellate case on a matter exactly like this that involved the White Sox. I happened to see it when I was looking up case law for something else at the Daley Center. I started to read it but I was in a hurry. I'm not sure what the final ruling was.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:00 am ]
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Its printed directly on the tickets that there could be bats, balls, and other objects flying into the stands and that you are there at your own risk.

This wasn't even a good attempt to take a shot at Jerry, bigfan :roll:
Author:  sjboyd0137 [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:01 am ]
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If I'm not mistaken, there is a printed warning on the back of tickets indicating that there is a risk of being hit with flying objects.
Author:  Brick [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:03 am ]
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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008-07-12/news/0807120093_1_major-league-ballpark-wrigley-field-sunny-day
No mention of the Cubs paying the hospital bills. My guess is this has happened at every MLB stadium and the response has been similar.
Author:  Northside_Dan [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:26 am ]
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Agreed. The Sox acted responsibly with the signed picture of AJ and I'm assuming free tickets to another game.
Author:  Douchebag [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:28 am ]
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Northside_Dan wrote:
Agreed. The Sox acted responsibly with the signed picture of AJ and I'm assuming free tickets to another game.

I hope these tickets were for a suite. I doubt the kid will ever want to sit close to the field ever again. He's probably traumatized.
Author:  Brick [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:28 am ]
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I actually blame the parents on this one. Those are terrible seats for a 5 year old. There are plenty of safer places where objects rarely end up and when they do it's normally very easy to catch. Some places even have protected netting.
Author:  bigfan [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:41 am ]
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As Boiler and Frank have their Reinsdorf alerts on, notice at the end I actually defended Jerry for not even knowing about this? but never let get in the way Sox fans.

What I have seen is the insurance company stepping in, the fans signs a release and they get a check for the ACTUAL BILLS. I am not talking about when a PI Lawyer gets involved and the $5 mill lawsuit shows up for pain, suffering and the Lawyers 33%.

Have also seen cases accussing teams (minor and pro) that by having a net behind the plate and some now have glass down the lines they acknowledge excessive danger and thus would lose any case they try to bring the words on the back of a ticket as a defense.

Didn't the NHL lack nets in the stands until ony a few years ago?

And bottom line, a guy as smart as Jerry can easily contrive a way to take of this? Maybe a city fund from all the parking revenue that pays for damages to fans during games?
Author:  Brick [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:45 am ]
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bigfan wrote:
As Boiler and Frank have their Reinsdorf alerts on, notice at the end I actually defended Jerry for not even knowing about this? but never let get in the way Sox fans.
You did not defend Jerry. You simply claimed he may not know and then you said "this is the type of organization he runs".
bigfan wrote:
And bottom line, a guy as smart as Jerry can easily contrive a way to take of this? Maybe a city fund from all the parking revenue that pays for damages to fans during games?
It's $2,000. Jerry probably had a dinner in the last month with a bill larger than that. It's a policy issue that probably comes down from the league office or his law staff.
Author:  bigfan [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:01 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
bigfan wrote:
As Boiler and Frank have their Reinsdorf alerts on, notice at the end I actually defended Jerry for not even knowing about this? but never let get in the way Sox fans.
You did not defend Jerry. You simply claimed he may not know and then you said "this is the type of organization he runs".
bigfan wrote:
And bottom line, a guy as smart as Jerry can easily contrive a way to take of this? Maybe a city fund from all the parking revenue that pays for damages to fans during games?
It's $2,000. Jerry probably had a dinner in the last month with a bill larger than that. It's a policy issue that probably comes down from the league office or his law staff.


So now, all of sudden Jerry does what MLB says? When did this happen Rick? Before or after he directed which team got the Washington Franchise or who got the Cub franchise?

Like Jerry is just some helpless pawn caught in the Lawyers evil web?
Author:  Brick [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:07 am ]
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If Jerry is informed by legal counsel that he is opening himself up to future litigation in the event of a major injury by paying for a $2,000 medical bill he likely won't do it. He doesn't care about $2,000. That's nothing to him or the White Sox. There has to be another reason. It wouldn't make sense that upon hearing that this person had a medical bill of $2,000 that he said "I need that money! Screw them!". There was another reason and the most logical is that it does set a precedent that could come back to bite the White Sox when someone dies in the stands.

Do you really think that the actual $2,000 check he would have to write matters at all here? I guess I don't get your point. What do you think his motivation was to not pay this family?
Author:  Douchebag [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:08 am ]
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bigfan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
bigfan wrote:
As Boiler and Frank have their Reinsdorf alerts on, notice at the end I actually defended Jerry for not even knowing about this? but never let get in the way Sox fans.
You did not defend Jerry. You simply claimed he may not know and then you said "this is the type of organization he runs".
bigfan wrote:
And bottom line, a guy as smart as Jerry can easily contrive a way to take of this? Maybe a city fund from all the parking revenue that pays for damages to fans during games?
It's $2,000. Jerry probably had a dinner in the last month with a bill larger than that. It's a policy issue that probably comes down from the league office or his law staff.


So now, all of sudden Jerry does what MLB says? When did this happen Rick? Before or after he directed which team got the Washington Franchise or who got the Cub franchise?

Like Jerry is just some helpless pawn caught in the Lawyers evil web?

Did Jerry molest you as a child? You have some weird Panther-like obsession with him.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:14 am ]
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bigfan wrote:
As Boiler and Frank have their Reinsdorf alerts on, notice at the end I actually defended Jerry for not even knowing about this? but never let get in the way Sox fans.

Who ya crappin? So you give him a small amount of credit (because he acts the same way EVERY sports owner does in this situation), and then take a shot at him:

bigfan wrote:
However, this is the type of organization he runs. IF you don't have a name or no publicity comes of it, the people that work there are really unhelpful .....And bottom line, a guy as smart as Jerry can easily contrive a way to take of this? Maybe a city fund from all the parking revenue that pays for damages to fans during games?

Once again, as with many of your posts regarding Jerry: :roll:
Author:  bigfan [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:20 am ]
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bigfan wrote:
And bottom line, a guy as smart as Jerry can easily contrive a way to take of this? Maybe a city fund from all the parking revenue that pays for damages to fans during games?
It's $2,000. Jerry probably had a dinner in the last month with a bill larger than that. It's a policy issue that probably comes down from the league office or his law staff.[/quote]

So now, all of sudden Jerry does what MLB says? When did this happen Rick? Before or after he directed which team got the Washington Franchise or who got the Cub franchise?

Like Jerry is just some helpless pawn caught in the Lawyers evil web?[/quote]
Did Jerry molest you as a child? You have some weird Panther-like obsession with him.[/quote]

No, he took $500 mill from the City and state that are broke and keeps taking. thats it.
Author:  Brick [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:21 am ]
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bigfan,
Can you tell me why you think that Jerry Reinsdorf didn't pay this family $2,000?
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:22 am ]
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The kid should pay Jerry.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:12 am ]
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Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:13 am ]
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bigfan wrote:
No, he took $500 mill from the City and state that are broke and keeps taking. thats it.

Which has what to do with a little kid who had an unfortunate accident at the Sox game?
Author:  Darkside [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:15 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
bigfan wrote:
No, he took $500 mill from the City and state that are broke and keeps taking. thats it.

Which has what to do with a little kid who had an unfortunate accident at the Sox game?

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ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:18 am ]
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Ooooohhhh, now I get it bigfan! You're saying that the State of IL should pay for these injuries! I mean, since the state put up the money for building it, and they technically own the park, they should be responsible for it!

And here I thought this was just another birdbrained thread aimed at taking a shot at Jerry!
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:19 am ]
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Oh by the way, at some point during the first homestand, Alex Rios has to catch a flyball in his hat.
Author:  Rod [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:54 am ]
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Just for the record, I'm pretty sure there hasn't been a ballpark built without public money since Dodger Stadium.
Author:  Turd Ferguson [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:31 pm ]
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If the kid and his Dad (maybe the rest of his family, too) were sitting just a few rows behind 3rd base, they must have paid a good buck for those tickets. Between the tickets and even just a few concessions, I think it would be very safe to assume that they dropped at least several hundred dollars to enjoy a few hours of professional baseball action. Yet, this fucking deadbeat father won't pony up $2,000 to pay the people who helped save his kid's life?

The sensible and responsible thing to do would be to gladly pay the hospital bill, thank God that your kid is okay and kick yourself in the ass for being stupid enough to let a 5 year old sit in an unprotected seat that close to the action. Never mind this bullshit about putting your hat out and hoping that Jerry will fill it for you.
Author:  good dolphin [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:19 pm ]
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do you think a place that has a coat check with a sign that says "not responsible for...." is really not responsible?
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:31 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote:
do you think a place that has a coat check with a sign that says "not responsible for...." is really not responsible?

Morty: My wallet's gone! My wallet's gone!
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:43 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote:
do you think a place that has a coat check with a sign that says "not responsible for...." is really not responsible?

The people who have been pounding the "written on the ticket" angle are silent


A disclaimer is not rock solid
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:46 pm ]
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I think if I left my wallet or phone in my coat, checked it, and then my wallet or phone was missing, that I would bring to somebody's attention but ultimately end up SOL.


I think that if somebody goes to a baseball game and gets hit with a baseball, they are SOL. They could just as easily be knocked over by a fan going after a baseball, or depending on the seats get hit with a bat or by a player running into the stands. If you sit courtside at an NBA game, you risk getting run over as well.

The coat check "not responsible for..." sign is worlds different than all of the fine print on an MLB ticket.
Author:  sjboyd0137 [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:47 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
do you think a place that has a coat check with a sign that says "not responsible for...." is really not responsible?

The people who have been pounding the "written on the ticket" angle are silent


A disclaimer is not rock solid

Not rock solid, obviously. Hence the reason that people who get diseases from smoking sue the tobacco companies. The warnings are there, but the companies will still settle.

The problem is the system as a whole. IMO, the warning is there, so any action taken by the team or facility is on their own accord. The problem is that there is enough precedence that by taking an action, if the recieving (victim) party feels it's not enough, they will still sue. Hence, the team or facility takes no action making themselves look like the real villans.

The real villans are the ambulance chasing PI lawyers that fuck the system.
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