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This Team Blows/Ozzie Should Be Fired: Requiem for The Sox
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Author:  SomeGuy [ Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:55 pm ]
Post subject:  This Team Blows/Ozzie Should Be Fired: Requiem for The Sox
The team still has a shot to do something as it is only April but the clock is ticking. Father Jerry has put plenty of money, trust and patience into this team in pursuit of another championship and all there is to show for it a division championship that lead to a quick exit from the playoffs. Kenny has tried and tried to fix an airplane while in flight and it, while tantalizing, it isn't working. The farm system is totally bare and the credit card is maxed out.

Whether right or not someone is going to get canned. Who will it be? Walker is the easiest target but if he goes the post game show gets less entertaining, Cora? What the fuck would that do? Ozzie? Coop? Kenny? What shall happen?

In my opinion this team is on borrowed time, it's early but the park is empty and they are in a coma and have zero mental toughness (whatever that means).

Thoughts/Opinions/Rants/Stuff?
Author:  Rod [ Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:04 pm ]
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They can only go so long like this before Guillen has to take the fall. I'm not saying it's his fault, but that's the way this works. This is a team that was supposed to contend. The other teams that were supposed to contend have failed nearly as much. That makes this start even tougher to take. Firing Greg Walker is a waste of time. He means nothing one way or the other. I think there's a good chance we see Buddy Bell managing this club before the season is over.
Author:  Country Bumpkin [ Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:16 pm ]
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Ozzie needs to go as does Kenny. They need to make Joey Cora the interim Manager, and have him interview for the position next year. They also need to go after a seasoned-Manager whose style is the complete opposite as Ozzie's. Ozzie used to be funny, but now he is just an embarrassment nationally and locally.

They need to make Rick Hahn the new GM and layout a REAL plan for the future. I would bite my tongue through this shit if I thought there was a real plan but there is none. If the new leadership had a solid plan for the future, I would be more inclined to wait patiently.

It is frightfully obvious this current regime is failing. Making a mad dash to the end and then falling flat on your face is not success. They have pulled this for too many seasons and Ozzie doesn't have the brains or tact to make this work. Kenny's magic is no longer and the team just looks clueless.
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:23 pm ]
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It's only April,the division sure in the hell can't be won but it sure in the hell can be lost.Blame the players themself, I know I for one have wanted Greg Walkers head on a silver platter, but all I ever heard is the hitting coach doesn't help that much so get right of him so I will wake up this sleep walking sons of bitch.Ozzie should manage this team like Earl Weaver wait for the 3 run bomb, instead he is trying to steal base , sacrafice, hit and run and all thats been doing is taking the club out of innings.With the pitching I just hope the screwed up Thortons head.If Peavy doesn't come back and help this team, its going to be a long season.
Author:  Rod [ Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:29 pm ]
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Walt Williams Neck wrote:
Ozzie should manage this team like Earl Weaver wait for the 3 run bomb, instead he is trying to steal base , sacrifice, hit and run and all that's been doing is taking the club out of innings.


That's clear to everyone who isn't named Guillen.

One thing that I doubt will happen is Cora getting a shot. Joey is Ozzie's guy. If one goes, they probably both go. In fact, I would expect every coach except Cooper to go along with Ozzie. Buddy Bell is the logical guy although I'm not sure he's ever managed a winning team.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:56 pm ]
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Kenny goes nowhere.

If it happens it'll be Walker first, then Ozzie.
Author:  HossasSlavicRage [ Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:37 pm ]
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Baseball is the most under coached sport that I know of. Coaching staff has very little to do with it, nobody thought that the players were going to underperform like this. This team just cannot play a full game right now, seems like every night something is not working.
Author:  HossasSlavicRage [ Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:37 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
Ozzie should manage this team like Earl Weaver wait for the 3 run bomb, instead he is trying to steal base , sacrifice, hit and run and all that's been doing is taking the club out of innings.


That's clear to everyone who isn't named Guillen.

One thing that I doubt will happen is Cora getting a shot. Joey is Ozzie's guy. If one goes, they probably both go. In fact, I would expect every coach except Cooper to go along with Ozzie. Buddy Bell is the logical guy although I'm not sure he's ever managed a winning team.


The best Bell has done is a third place finish, they are not going to fire Ozzie and bring Bell up.
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:57 pm ]
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HossasSlavicRage wrote:
Baseball is the most under coached sport that I know of. Coaching staff has very little to do with it, nobody thought that the players were going to underperform like this. This team just cannot play a full game right now, seems like every night something is not working.




Say What...it's most over coached over analyze sport of all time
Author:  enigma [ Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:05 pm ]
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Walt Williams Neck wrote:
Ozzie should manage this team like Earl Weaver wait for the 3 run bomb, instead he is trying to steal base , sacrafice, hit and run and all thats been doing is taking the club out of innings.


I believe Ozzie's ego, or personality, is getting in the way. I think Ozzie believes that if he just waits for the 3 run bomb, he isn't really managing, he is just a push button manager. By bunting and stealing bases, this shows his baseball acumen, his expertise.

But Ozzie is not alone. I think in general there is a lot of overmanaging in baseball. Managers change lineups everyday (unless your the Cubs #3 hitter, then to remove you requires an act of Congress or something), they sometimes go to 3 different relievers in the same inning or if a starting pitcher is having a great game, the manager decides to remove him to get to the setup guy or closer.

On the flip side, I admire what Ozzie did in the '05 playoffs. He went against the "book" and let his starting pitchers complete games when conventional wisdom says to bring in your setup men/closer, especialy when you have a good bullpen (as the '05 Sox did). Ozzie didn't overmanage and it payed off.
Author:  Keyser Soze [ Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:23 pm ]
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Cue the clown car music. Do do do dodododo do dododo dodo do do. :clown:

Where's the manager during this debacle?? Oh yeah, his dumb ass is suspended for tweeting. What a joke.
Author:  cpguy [ Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:31 pm ]
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I am a Cub fan, so I am somewhat objective and I believe the Sox will be fine once the weather warms up and the bats come alive. Given the division, they have as good a shot as any to win the division. I am not a Guillen fan, but I respect him. Be patient Sox fans. Things could be worse. You could be rooting for the Ricketts and Hendry Clown Carnival.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Sun May 01, 2011 1:26 am ]
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As another Cubs fan, I think the Sox will be just fine too. That said, maybe it is time to move beyond Ozzie after this year. Eight years is a long time. We kick our presidents out after eight years. If the Ozzie/Kenny Sideshow of Butthurt doesn't make the team better or sell tickets, then why continue with it?
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Sun May 01, 2011 10:30 am ]
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I still think this team will have a big summer. That said, they need to stop the bleeding right now and win 3 of the last 4 games on the homestand to break even. Another 2 week stretch of only getting 3 wins and somebody is gonna get canned. Orr brings up a good point. I totally forgot Buddy Bell was working for the Sox, and he would be the most logical choice to replace Ozzie and/or Cora.
Author:  Rod [ Sun May 01, 2011 10:56 am ]
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As much as I complain about Ozzie's stupid ass smallball, I really don't think they can find a "better" manager. Too much is made of managers anyway. The players have to play. That said, I don't know how long they can go like this. They've gotten themselves in a position where they need a giant winning streak just to get to .500. Can they go another three or four weeks playing losing baseball without Ozzie getting the axe? What do you think, Frank?
Author:  SHARK [ Sun May 01, 2011 11:16 am ]
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The White Sox do blow and something has to do be done! If an anemic offense isn't bad enough, the pitching has broken down badly in the last 4 games, all losses. They've got another long road trip starting Friday in Seattle, and in recent years, the West Coast hasn't been too kind to the Southsiders. There's a good chance the bleeding will continue and that drastic action has to be made.

In a perfect world, I'd definitely consider sending 2B Gordon Beckham, 3B Brent Morel and P Chris Sale to Triple "A" Charlotte after today's game vs. the Orioles if they each continue to struggle themselves. Trouble is, these are what the likely replacements are doing right now in Charlotte:

24 Dayan Viciedo RF/3B/1B
.250 BA 3 HR 13 RBI
17 Tyler Flowers C
.239 BA 3 HR 6 RBI
3 Eduardo Escobar SS
.229 BA 0 HR 3 RBI
15 Jordan Danks CF
.203 2 HR 11 RBI
7 Alejandro DeAza LF
.278 1 HR 4 RBI
8 Dallas McPherson 3B*
.292 2 HR 9 RBI
14 Lastings Milledge LF*
.189 0 HR 3 RBI
*Not on 40-Man Active Roster

There's no quick fix worth recalling to send Beckham, Morel and Sale down. The White Sox need quite an overhaul, and it won't be done overnight.
Author:  Country Bumpkin [ Sun May 01, 2011 11:30 am ]
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I don't believe this team has what it takes to have a big May to right the ship. This is the year the Sox need to be sellers and explore who the heir apparents to the following players:

AJ (he just can't be brought back next year)
Paulie
Carlos Quentin (is Jared Mitchell the answer?)
Juan Pierre (maybe Jared again?)
Gavin Floyd (he cannot be resigned)

Also has Coop run out of magic with these pitchers? This season may require a huge change this team from top to bottom.
Author:  Urlacher's missing neck [ Sun May 01, 2011 11:32 am ]
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Swing a deal with the northside. They are have 3 guys who play 2b on the major league roster and about 4 between AA and AAA. You can have Dewitt so Flaherty can be moved up.
Author:  SHARK [ Sun May 01, 2011 11:45 am ]
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If anyone thinks these White Sox will make a similar 25-5 run to get back into contention like they did a year ago, think again. The Sox don't have the Pirates & Nationals on the Interleague schedule to beat up on like they did last summer. What they should be doing right now is doing their part to trade these established veterans to contending clubs and try to fill the voids with younger, cheaper guys to build up a farm system that's not much better than their ML counterparts.

That said, you better enjoy RF Carlos Quentin, 44 year-old IF Omar Vizquel, P's Gavin Floyd & Mark Buehrle, C A.J. Pierzynski, LF Juan Pierre and possibly even 1B Paul Konerko now, Sox fans. Don't be surprised if these guys become trade bait as they get closer to the MLB Trade Deadline. They can all help contending clubs down the stretch. They sure as hell won't help the Sox get off the deck!
Author:  Jbi11s [ Sun May 01, 2011 11:57 am ]
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You can just feel Kenny's finger on the launch button.

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Author:  Rod [ Sun May 01, 2011 12:03 pm ]
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Country Bumpkin wrote:
Gavin Floyd (he cannot be resigned)


Huh? He's signed through 2013 if you consider the $9.5 million club option. He's probably one of the most productive starters in the game considering what he's paid. I'd be looking to move Danks who is in line for a big payday in short order.
Author:  RFDC [ Sun May 01, 2011 12:47 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
As much as I complain about Ozzie's stupid ass smallball, I really don't think they can find a "better" manager. Too much is made of managers anyway. The players have to play.


What if they get a manager that plays more of the Weaver style you think would benefit this team? Wouldn't that make a difference?
Author:  Apologist [ Sun May 01, 2011 1:02 pm ]
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It will make a difference as to a managing style that is more conducive to the type of roster you have, but his overrall point is that if you continue to have 3 or 4 regulars slug under .300, it's not going to matter who is filling out the lineup card.
Author:  Rod [ Sun May 01, 2011 4:53 pm ]
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RFDC wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
As much as I complain about Ozzie's stupid ass smallball, I really don't think they can find a "better" manager. Too much is made of managers anyway. The players have to play.


What if they get a manager that plays more of the Weaver style you think would benefit this team? Wouldn't that make a difference?


I don't know. Baseball is a funny game. Sometimes dumb ideas turn out for the best and the good ideas fail. It's a game of time and repetition. Those things only make a difference over a long stretch of games. Like I said, I think Ozzie's managing inhibits the offense but I don't think that is going to cost them the division. This team isn't hitting and the bullpen is horrible. Plus they have difficulty catching the ball. I don't think a manager can do a damn thing about any of that.
Author:  RFDC [ Sun May 01, 2011 4:56 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
As much as I complain about Ozzie's stupid ass smallball, I really don't think they can find a "better" manager. Too much is made of managers anyway. The players have to play.


What if they get a manager that plays more of the Weaver style you think would benefit this team? Wouldn't that make a difference?


I don't know. Baseball is a funny game. Sometimes dumb ideas turn out for the best and the good ideas fail. It's a game of time and repetition. Those things only make a difference over a long stretch of games. Like I said, I think Ozzie's managing inhibits the offense but I don't think that is going to cost them the division. This team isn't hitting and the bullpen is horrible. Plus they have difficulty catching the ball. I don't think a manager can do a damn thing about any of that.


Yeah those are good points. I pretty much felt that way about Lou while he was with the Cubs. So many were complaining about him and wanted him gone, but I did not really think it was going to matter. Kind of one of those deals of be careful what you ask for you just might get it and the next guy might be even worse as some on the northside are seeing with Quade.
Author:  312player [ Sun May 01, 2011 5:10 pm ]
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i don't think ozzie is to blame..this team is not hitting and i will not write them off until after inter league play..if they go on a tear against the nl they can climb back quick..you think cleveland can keep this pace? i don't see how the injuns stay even close top this pace and win 114 games
Author:  Rod [ Sun May 01, 2011 5:12 pm ]
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312player wrote:
i don't think ozzie is to blame..this team is not hitting and i will not write them off until after inter league play..if they go on a tear against the nl they can climb back quick..you think cleveland can keep this pace? i don't see how the injuns stay even close top this pace and win 114 games



The thing is, they don't have to keep this pace. If they play .500 the rest of the way, that may get it done.
Author:  312player [ Sun May 01, 2011 5:14 pm ]
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true..the could play 500 ball and possibly win the division...i just see the the twins and sox improving and k.c. and cleveland falling off some.
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Sun May 01, 2011 5:21 pm ]
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The Sox are the only team that start unproven rookies ie BA and Morel how in the hell can they be considered a top orginization...when they do shit like that?
Author:  Keyser Soze [ Sun May 01, 2011 5:28 pm ]
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What's a proven rookie?? :scratch:
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