SHARK wrote:
I Hopefully AL manager Ron Washington pays attention, something he clearly failed to do with Paul Konerko, who should've been selected the first time to represent the Sox in the ASG, not Carlos Quentin.
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| Author: | RFDC [ Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:05 pm ] |
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Guy has been great this year. So great that his value will never be this high again. Trade him before he comes back down to earth. |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
$500K and no option, OOPS! Guessing Jerry offers $5 Mill per for 3 years, this year. Soon Do you sign if you are Humber??? |
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| Author: | HossasSlavicRage [ Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
I was thinking about this earlier. Pitchers do have incredible, miracle years. Has Humber turned the corner? Obviously he is not this good, but he would still be very good even with a decline. Sox cannot afford to trade starting pitching, pitching and being in a bad division are the only reason they are still in the race. |
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| Author: | cpguy [ Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
RFDC wrote: Guy has been great this year. So great that his value will never be this high again. Trade him before he comes back down to earth. I'll take him for Marmol - now. |
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| Author: | 8675309 [ Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
If you're talking as a Cubs fan please lay off the crystal meth. Humber looks like a classic Cardinals reclamation project which I mean as a great compliment to him and the entire WSOX org. BUT for Marmol.....please. I'm willing to trade Marmol or Marshall but u better get some young studs. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
HossasSlavicRage wrote: Sox cannot afford to trade starting pitching, They can if they think this is as good as he will ever be. And I think there is a case to be made for that. The guy has been great, but do you really think he is going to continue this for the long haul? Personally, I don't and I think it would be better for them to sell high on him now and get something in return. |
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| Author: | whistler [ Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
I love Humber...another Danks and Floyd...a young pitcher who comes up in a messy situation and just quietly solidifies things and has lots of poise the Sox have a way of having good pitchers without having too much spotlight on 'em...even Buerhle after 10 years flies under the radar I fucking love it |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
So JORR, what are your thoughts here? |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
RFDC wrote: So JORR, what are your thoughts here? I'd try to lock him up cheap for three years if you could. To me he looks like a guy that is going to give you quality innings for a relatively low price. I don't think you could get enough for him to make it worth trading him. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
He is 8-4 right now with a 2.69 ERA. I think Kenny could convince a team like the Cardinals or Rangers to overpay for him. Otherwise I think he is a guy who returns to being a really average guy who ultimately ends up in the bullpen with not much value. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
RFDC wrote: He is 8-4 right now with a 2.69 ERA. I think Kenny could convince a team like the Cardinals or Rangers to overpay for him. Otherwise I think he is a guy who returns to being a really average guy who ultimately ends up in the bullpen with not much value. I think Cooper got him to add a pitch and that has made a difference for him. I think you could probably get a team desperate for pitching to take Jackson, eat the balance of his salary, and give you at least one decent prospect. I'd certainly try doing that before I moved out a cheap guy like Humber. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
I would be open to trading Jackson as well. But I think there is a difference here that plays a part in all of this. I think all the teams know Jackson. He is not going to be anything more than he currently is. That is going to limit what you can get for him. With Humber a pretty wise GM like Kenny can snooker a team into giving up more than what he is really worth because of his great ERA and solid record for a team that has underachieved this year. |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
I think the Sox need more guys they have financial control over. While they have 30 million coming off the books in Beuhrle, Pierre, and Jackson I don't think unless the season goes a lot better they'll be anywhere near $130 Million in payroll again and they'll be down 2 starters and counting on a healthy Peavy next year. Obviously if trading Humber gets you to the WS you do it, but I don't think that's happening. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
KDdidit wrote: I think the Sox need more guys they have financial control over. While they have 30 million coming off the books in Beuhrle, Pierre, and Jackson I don't think unless the season goes a lot better they'll be anywhere near $130 Million in payroll again and they'll be down 2 starters and counting on a healthy Peavy next year. Obviously if trading Humber gets you to the WS you do it, but I don't think that's happening. I'm guessing next year's rotation looks like this: Peavy Humber Sale Floyd I think Danks will be gone for sure. He's the most valuable commodity you have to deal and he's on the cusp of getting very expensive. I think there's an outside chance Buehrle comes back if he's willing to take well below market value in order to try to be a one team guy for his career. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
Ummm, Humber will not be arbitration eligible for two years or free agency eligible for five. His option is to sign the contract the Sox offer him or sit out of baseball. You cannot ask for a better situation than to have a guy performing at the top of his game in his prime for the miniumum and holding his rights until after his prime. |
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| Author: | SHARK [ Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
In the notes following last night's unusual walk-off balk White Sox winner over the Royals, Ozzie believes that Philip Humber will still make the AL All-Star team. How? Ozzie says that Humber starts the Twins' series Thursday night which would make him available for Tuesday's All-Star Game in Phoenix and that some of the pitchers already penciled in for the "Midsummer Classic" won't be eligible because they're scheduled to start Sunday afternoon. I'm not surprised that Humber wasn't selected on TBS Sports' "All-Star Selection Show" Sunday, only because there are so many others having All-Star caliber seasons in the AL. It's just that I forgot about the rule enacted when the ASG was in Anaheim last year in which guys not necessarily picked the first time still have a chance to go. Hopefully AL manager Ron Washington pays attention, something he clearly failed to do with Paul Konerko, who should've been selected the first time to represent the Sox in the ASG, not Carlos Quentin. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
SHARK wrote: I Hopefully AL manager Ron Washington pays attention, something he clearly failed to do with Paul Konerko, who should've been selected the first time to represent the Sox in the ASG, not Carlos Quentin.
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| Author: | Rod [ Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
good dolphin wrote: Ummm, Humber will not be arbitration eligible for two years or free agency eligible for five. His option is to sign the contract the Sox offer him or sit out of baseball. You cannot ask for a better situation than to have a guy performing at the top of his game in his prime for the miniumum and holding his rights until after his prime. Really? It seemed like he has been around a lot longer than that. Anyway, Humber is probably the last guy you'd want to trade. Unless you really thought this season was a fluke. I don't. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
good dolphin wrote: Ummm, Humber will not be arbitration eligible for two years or free agency eligible for five. His option is to sign the contract the Sox offer him or sit out of baseball. You cannot ask for a better situation than to have a guy performing at the top of his game in his prime for the miniumum and holding his rights until after his prime. Chicago White Sox Philip Humber Philip Humber Current Salary Information Contract: 1 yr(s) / $500,000 End Year: 2011 Free Agent: 2012 / Unrestricted http://www.prorumors.com/baseball/Humber/Philip/humbeph01 |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
rogers park bryan wrote: good dolphin wrote: Ummm, Humber will not be arbitration eligible for two years or free agency eligible for five. His option is to sign the contract the Sox offer him or sit out of baseball. You cannot ask for a better situation than to have a guy performing at the top of his game in his prime for the miniumum and holding his rights until after his prime. Chicago White Sox Philip Humber Philip Humber Current Salary Information Contract: 1 yr(s) / $500,000 End Year: 2011 Free Agent: 2012 / Unrestricted http://www.prorumors.com/baseball/Humber/Philip/humbeph01 I've seen the opposite in a couple of places but you are not going to get me to retrace my steps. Keyser, do you have anything on this dispute? |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
Im not sure. I googled it and it came up like that on the first two. But with the time he spent with the Twins and Mets pitching in the majors, your scenario seems less likely. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
He had only 1 year of major league service time coming into the season. A player becomes a free agent after 6 years of major league service time. I think because he's out of options that he could become a free agent if he's not on a 40 man roster. If he continues to pitch like this it's an obvious a no brainer that the Sox will keep him on the 40 man roster and thus control him for the next 4 years. This is how I understand the rules but I will check to make sure it is correct. |
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| Author: | HossasSlavicRage [ Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
RFDC wrote: HossasSlavicRage wrote: Sox cannot afford to trade starting pitching, They can if they think this is as good as he will ever be. And I think there is a case to be made for that. The guy has been great, but do you really think he is going to continue this for the long haul? Personally, I don't and I think it would be better for them to sell high on him now and get something in return. The question is how much of a regression will he have. I am not going to pretend I have any idea on how to determine/project this. If he is willing to sign for cheap and looks like he will be a good 3 or 4 than that would be something the Sox are interested in. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
Why would there be any regression. Age, low mileage on the arm, complacency are unlikely to effect him. The ability was never in question. Why can't this just be who he is? |
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| Author: | Apologist [ Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
You could always dine at Hunter Pence's wifes' place... just make sure the 'Stros are on a road trip 
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| Author: | Elmhurst Steve [ Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: KDdidit wrote: I think the Sox need more guys they have financial control over. While they have 30 million coming off the books in Beuhrle, Pierre, and Jackson I don't think unless the season goes a lot better they'll be anywhere near $130 Million in payroll again and they'll be down 2 starters and counting on a healthy Peavy next year. Obviously if trading Humber gets you to the WS you do it, but I don't think that's happening. I'm guessing next year's rotation looks like this: Peavy Humber Sale Floyd I think Danks will be gone for sure. He's the most valuable commodity you have to deal and he's on the cusp of getting very expensive. I think there's an outside chance Buehrle comes back if he's willing to take well below market value in order to try to be a one team guy for his career. I agree about Danks but with his contract, I can't see the Sox being able to deal Jackson very easily. Humber looks like a guy I would want to keep. He is the most consistent pitcher on the staff. He goes deep into games consistently, which saves the bullpen. Plus he makes little money and can't even go to arbitration for 2 years. Thats the kind of guy you keep, not trade. |
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| Author: | HossasSlavicRage [ Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
I could see the Sox keeping Danks, Jackson's exit cannot come soon enough. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
HossasSlavicRage wrote: I could see the Sox keeping Danks, Jackson's exit cannot come soon enough. They could. But he's a logical guy to move for the reasons stated above. I don't think Jackson will be difficult to move at all. There are all kinds of contending teams short on starting pitching who would have no problem taking on his salary for less than half a season. Three of them might be in the AL Central, but of course the Sox are not going to do that. At least I would hope not. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
Jackson is goner than gone. Someone will give him $10 million per year and he can underwhelm them. KW will have to live with it though as Hudson tears it up in the NL. This is like Garland for Karchner. I think Buehrle will be one of those special exception players that JR finds extra money in petty cash to sign, like Konerko. I'd be fine with: Buehrle Floyd Danks Humber Sale |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Humber |
good dolphin wrote: Jackson is goner than gone. Someone will give him $10 million per year and he can underwhelm them. KW will have to live with it though as Hudson tears it up in the NL. This is like Garland for Karchner. I think Buehrle will be one of those special exception players that JR finds extra money in petty cash to sign, like Konerko. I'd be fine with: Buehrle Floyd Danks Humber Sale I think we're stuck with Peavy. |
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