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Here I go, throwing my two cent in again....

All of the talk about the Sox not making the playoffs because of their pitching staff is really driving me up a wall. Our bullpen is probably the best in baseball (especially now, with the addition of McDougal) and our starting rotation is one that ANY team in baseball would like, regardless of their collective ERA. With that being said, in all reality the starters haven't been giving up a ton of runs as of late... maybe just giving up runs with bad timing... but they really haven't been any different then they were in the beginning of the season.

The problem lies in our offense. True, Thome, Pauly, Dye, and even Crede have been putting up some power numbers... but most of that was done at the start of the year. Most of our hitters have either fallen asleep or gone blind as of late, and KW needs to make an adjustment QUICKLY before we find ourselves 10+ games out.

Author:	Tall Midget [ Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:47 pm ]
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Turn that frown upside down, mister. Beardown says there's nothing to be concerned about.....

Author:	Beardown [ Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:59 pm ]
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Never said that. This was just a good old fashion game. They got 4 off a good pitcher. We got 3 against there good pitcher. They got a couple breaks but we got one the day before and couldn't take advantage. I still think they got the playoffs. I Have not given up on the division. This KC reliever we got is going to solve alot of problems. Hey Midget for the reccord do you think they are making the playoffs? Yes or no? You always bring good points as to why they suck. But I've never heard you give a prediction.

Author:	Tall Midget [ Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:16 pm ]
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Quote: Hey Midget for the reccord do you think they are making the playoffs? Yes or no? If I have to give a yes or no answer, I'll say no, but I think the situation is a little more fluid than that. Are the Sox going to get Soriano--or will another AL wild card contender snag him? What other players will be acquired by the top AL teams? I guess we'll know more after the trading deadline, but if the Sox get Soriano, I like their chances of getting to the ALCS.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:22 pm ]
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sox win the 2006 central.

Author:	Beardown [ Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:37 pm ]
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Well holy cow Midget. After all of your critisism of me and my confidence it looks like you are on the same page as me after all. I know you said "if we get Soriano". That is a big if. But that still means you think we'll get to the ALCS with this pitching staff and defense you have been bemoaning. It's going to come down to Sox vs Tigers in the ALCS.

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Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:49 am ]
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Is it just me or did anyone else think Ozuna should have had that home run ball. I know it would have been a catch over the fence but it was right next to his glove.

Author:	Spinnin' Bucket [ Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:11 am ]
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No, Dolphin, I had the exact same thought. An above average LF’er makes that play. I gave him the benefit of the doubt, waited for the replay, and saw the same thing the 2nd time around.

Author:	doug - evergreen park [ Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:24 am ]
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if you're not worried that the sox have won only 3 out their last 11, you haven't been paying attention.

Author:	Tall Midget [ Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:39 am ]
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Quote: Well holy cow Midget. After all of your critisism of me and my confidence it looks like you are on the same page as me after all. I know you said "if we get Soriano". That is a big if. But that still means you think we'll get to the ALCS with this pitching staff and defense you have been bemoaning. It's going to come down to Sox vs Tigers in the ALCS. You're right, I'm probably being foolishly optimistic about the Sock's prospects if they get Soriano. But I need something to cling to, even if I'm doing so against my better judgment.

Author:	Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:11 pm ]
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Here I go, throwing my two cent in again.... All of the talk about the Sox not making the playoffs because of their pitching staff is really driving me up a wall. Our bullpen is probably the best in baseball (especially now, with the addition of McDougal) and our starting rotation is one that ANY team in baseball would like, regardless of their collective ERA. With that being said, in all reality the starters haven't been giving up a ton of runs as of late... maybe just giving up runs with bad timing... but they really haven't been any different then they were in the beginning of the season. The problem lies in our offense. True, Thome, Pauly, Dye, and even Crede have been putting up some power numbers... but most of that was done at the start of the year. Most of our hitters have either fallen asleep or gone blind as of late, and KW needs to make an adjustment QUICKLY before we find ourselves 10+ games out.

Author:	Weezy F. Baby [ Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:00 pm ]
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Ugueth Will Cut You wrote: Here I go, throwing my two cent in again.... All of the talk about the Sox not making the playoffs because of their pitching staff is really driving me up a wall. Our bullpen is probably the best in baseball (especially now, with the addition of McDougal) and our starting rotation is one that ANY team in baseball would like, regardless of their collective ERA. With that being said, in all reality the starters haven't been giving up a ton of runs as of late... maybe just giving up runs with bad timing... but they really haven't been any different then they were in the beginning of the season. The problem lies in our offense. True, Thome, Pauly, Dye, and even Crede have been putting up some power numbers... but most of that was done at the start of the year. Most of our hitters have either fallen asleep or gone blind as of late, and KW needs to make an adjustment QUICKLY before we find ourselves 10+ games out. Are you kidding "best bullpen in baseball"? No way, yes we have Bobby Jenks one of the top closers in baseball, McCarthy as a solid long reliver but Cotts has not been that good this year, Thorton has great stuff but he's iffy in the pen, Riske nothing great, MacDougal is unproven this season. I agree that the problem lies with our top two hitters and if Pods and gooch can turn this around the team should be poised for a post season run and if we get Soriano the line up is ridiculous.

Author:	A7X [ Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:11 pm ]
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Unfortunately, they don't play the games on paper Ugueth. Detroit and Minnesota's pens looked pretty damned impressive mowing us down.

Author:	Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:32 am ]
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You're right, they don't play the games on paper... but they certainly put the teams together that way, and that is what we're talking about: the make-up of the team. For the money, I still don't see a better, more cost-effective bunch of guys.

Author:	Weezy F. Baby [ Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:52 pm ]
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Ugueth, the Cubs have a better bullpen, Tigers and Twins have a better pen just to name a few.

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Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:48 pm ]
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the cubs do not have a better bullpen. ill take thornton over eyre, mccarthy over howry, jenks over dumpster, and man soo lee over aaaaardvark, or anyone else the cubs have in that pen.

Author:	Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:01 am ]
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Agreed.

Author:	MartyD [ Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:04 pm ]
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Nastradamus wrote: Well you do that Frank. I will take Erye and Howry over McCarthy (as a relief pitcher) and Thornton. Jenks is a different story. Well, since you can't take the player without taking the contract, I'll actually take MacDougal and Thornton over Howry and Eyre. They're being paid about $750,000 combined compared to the $6,200,000 that Howry and Eyre are being paid.

Author:	Weezy F. Baby [ Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:36 pm ]
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Ugueth then you should have said we have the most cost effective bullpen.