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Author: | Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:18 am ] |
Post subject: | Peavy a moanin' and a groanin' |
Peavy says he's "just not right" and is heading to Alabama to see his physical therapist. |
Author: | Rod [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Peavy a moanin' and a groanin' |
I'm starting to hate that bastard more and more. At least Dunn keeps his mouth shut when he sucks. |
Author: | Mr. Reason [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:29 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Peavy a moanin' and a groanin' |
Wasn't Moaning and Groaning the B side to Wearing and Tearing? |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:37 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I'm starting to hate that bastard more and more. At least Dunn keeps his mouth shut when he sucks. Is this serious? I thought it was just Bob being Bob Is he really saying he's "not right"? |
Author: | Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:00 am ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I'm starting to hate that bastard more and more. At least Dunn keeps his mouth shut when he sucks. Is this serious? I thought it was just Bob being Bob Is he really saying he's "not right"? Today's Tribune, Bryan. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:34 am ] |
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Aggravated Sox Fan Bob wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I'm starting to hate that bastard more and more. At least Dunn keeps his mouth shut when he sucks. Is this serious? I thought it was just Bob being Bob Is he really saying he's "not right"? Today's Tribune, Bryan. Thanks Bob |
Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Peavy a moanin' and a groanin' |
So he has a bad outing where he couldn't locate anything and suddenly he's injured? WTF |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Peavy a moanin' and a groanin' |
To be fair, his last 3 or 4 outings he's been all over the place. |
Author: | Douchebag [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Peavy a moanin' and a groanin' |
Frank Coztansa wrote: To be fair, his last 3 or 4 outings he's been all over the place. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Peavy a moanin' and a groanin' |
Douchebag wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: To be fair, his last 3 or 4 outings he's been all over the place. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Peavy a moanin' and a groanin' |
Good article With Aaron Poreda Released, Who is Winning the Jake Peavy Trade? Jake Peavy hasn't been able to do very much of this while in a White Sox uniform By Marc Normandin - Contributor Aaron Poreda has been designated for assignment, possibly ending his Padre career, but that doesn't mean San Diego lost the Jake Peavy trade. Follow @sbnbaseball on Twitter, and Like Baseball Nation on Facebook. Jun 13, 2011 - Monday, Aaron Poreda was designated for assignment in order to clear room on the Padres' 40-man roster for Anthony Bass, who is starting Monday night in place of the injured Aaron Harang. While this doesn't mark the end of Poreda's Padres career (unless another team claims him), it does dampen the spirits of those who felt he could turn things around and end up in the majors once again (as few of those people that there may be remaining), and makes one wonder just who is winning the trade that sent him to San Diego back in 2009. Poreda was Baseball America's #63 prospect heading into 2009. He was one of the White Sox's brightest farmhands, and with success at three levels heading into the year at the age of 22, he was on track to make an impact in the majors soon. Not soon enough for the White Sox, though, as they made Poreda the centerpiece in the 2009 trade for San Diego ace Jake Peavy. This seemed like a win-win deal, with the financially conscious Padres shipping Peavy and his three-year, $52 million contract extension that would start in 2010 to the White Sox in exchange for not just Poreda, but Clayton Richard, Adam Russell, and Dexter Carter. Richard had just started his major-league career, but for all intents and purposes, the Padres were getting four prospects of varying quality - three of them young arms - in exchange for a contract they couldn't afford with the team going up for sale. While in theory that trade made sense for both teams, it hasn't quite worked out that way yet. Richard hasn't been worth as many wins as Peavy, but he has thrown well over twice as many innings as Peavy and made 59 starts in the same stretch, which has value of its own. Richard, as a league-average pitcher who pitches each time it's his turn in the rotation, has been the brightest spot on the field for the Padres in the deal. Russell was productive enough in the little time he pitched in the majors, and was moved in the trade to bring Jason Bartlett to San Diego; this makes him door prize #2 for the Padres in the trade. Poreda has been an absolute mess since heading to San Diego. He threw 2-2/3 innings for the big league club in 2009, walking five and striking out zero after walking 37 and striking out 30 in his 32-2/3 frames for Triple-A Portland. This was enough for the organization to decide that Poreda was now going to be a full-time reliever in the minors, but that role didn't work out any better for him. He even moved back a level to Double-A, and still could not find success. For the year, Poreda struck out 47 batters in 54 innings in relief, while walking 64, hitting eight batters, and throwing three wild pitches. With those kinds of control problems, the strikeouts almost seem accidental, despite their volume. That continued in 2011, with the lefty whiffing over a batter per inning, but matching each K with a free pass-his current 1.03 K/BB ratio with Tucson is his very best with the organization. While Poreda's problems have made another lost former prospect, Andrew Miller, look comparatively like Jon Lester, it isn't just the Padres who didn't get everything they had hoped for out of this swap. Peavy was dealt while on the disabled list with a right ankle strain, and didn't make an appearance with the White Sox until mid-September of 2009. We are now nearly halfway through the 2011 season, and Peavy has all of 25 starts and 156 innings in a Chicago uniform to his credit - in addition to the ankle injury, he also detached the latissimus dorsi from his shoulder, and has dealt with rotator cuff tendinitis twice already in 2011. He hasn't been the Jake Peavy that earned that extension when he has made it the mound, either, posting a Run Average of 4.21 with a very un-Peavy like 7.6 strikeouts per nine and 2.5 walks per nine. With the White Sox picking up about half of the tab in 2009, they have paid the righty somewhere in the neighborhood of $27 million for less than a full season of production, and they still have at least $29 million to go (assuming they buy out his 2013 option). The Padres' claim to winning this deal comes from Richard's decent and durable performance combined with Russell's ability to attract a trade partner. The White Sox can claim that, regardless of injury, they ended up with the top player in the trade. There is something to be said for that, but, given the cost of getting Peavy -- four minor leaguers and roughly $60 million spread out over three-and-a-half seasons -- Chicago can't be considered on top in this deal, either. You can consider the possibility that Kevin Towers and the Padres wanted to unload Jake Peavy before the injuries that had started to slow him down stopped him entirely, and that Kenny Williams and the White Sox wanted to bring in someone of quality in exchange for Aaron Poreda, who they had decided had more value in a deal than in their uniform. It's easy to picture both general managers scheming away, in the hopes that they were able to pull off a major coup with a prized trade chip that they knew was potentially busted. In the end, both teams ended up with damaged goods, but only one of them paid out the nose in both prospects and dollars for that right. |
Author: | Keyser Soze [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Peavy a moanin' and a groanin' |
Clayton Richard- on the DL (shoulder) Aaron Poreda- Designated for assignment for the 2nd time Adam Russell- traded to Tampa Dexter Carter- released and back in White Sox organization The Sox gave up nothing to get Jake Peavy. Make this trade a million out of a million times. |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:20 pm ] |
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Hindsight is always 20/20. So far, its been a bad deal for the White Sox. But its hard to believe that the Padres could not get more for a pitcher like Jake Peavy. |
Author: | Rod [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:21 pm ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Hindsight is always 20/20. So far, its been a bad deal for the White Sox. But its hard to believe that the Padres could not get more for a pitcher like Jake Peavy. A fucking cripple? |
Author: | Keyser Soze [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:22 pm ] |
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Who's using hindsight?? I've been saying the Sox gave up nothing from day 1. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:23 pm ] |
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Did you guys read the article? Serious question The point of the article seems to be it was a loser on each side, but the Sox paid too much. |
Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:23 pm ] |
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Keyser Soze wrote: The Sox gave up nothing to get Jake Peavy. Other than flushing millions of dollars down the toilet with each start that he misses. The amount of money they are losing on the deal has to be taken into consideration. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:24 pm ] |
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Keyser Soze wrote: Clayton Richard- on the DL (shoulder) Aaron Poreda- Designated for assignment for the 2nd time Adam Russell- traded to Tampa Dexter Carter- released and back in White Sox organization The Sox gave up nothing to get Jake Peavy. Make this trade a million out of a million times. You left out that they turned one part of the deal into Jason Bartlett and Richard already had a 14 win season for them. |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Peavy a moanin' and a groanin' |
Of course its not been a good deal for the White Sox. And even though Peavy was on the DL at the time of the trade, all they got for him was a mediocre 4th starter (In the NL West) and nothing really. I don't believe the Sox are any better right now with Clayton Richard or with Poreda. |
Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:27 pm ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Of course its not been a good deal for the White Sox. And even though Peavy was on the DL at the time of the trade, all they got for him was a mediocre 4th starter (In the NL West) and nothing really. I don't believe the Sox are any better right now with Clayton Richard or with Poreda. They would likely be better because Peavy's money would be spent on a pitcher or position player who actually played the majority of each season. |
Author: | Rod [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:27 pm ] |
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Keyser Soze wrote: Who's using hindsight?? I've been saying the Sox gave up nothing from day 1. And they got nothing. And it cost them over $50 million. |
Author: | Keyser Soze [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:28 pm ] |
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One very small throw in part in a 5 player deal. Richard won 14 games. Good for him. He's a help to get you there guy but not a difference maker. Keep him. |
Author: | Douchebag [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:31 pm ] |
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Keyser Soze wrote: One very small throw in part in a 5 player deal. Richard won 14 games. Good for him. He's a help to get you there guy but not a difference maker. Keep him. Clayton Richard wins for Padres = 24 plus a $400,000-$500,000 salary per year Jake Peavy wins for Sox = 14 plus a $16,000,000 and escalting every season salary. |
Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:33 pm ] |
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Douchebag wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: One very small throw in part in a 5 player deal. Richard won 14 games. Good for him. He's a help to get you there guy but not a difference maker. Keep him. Clayton Richard wins for Padres = 24 plus a $400,000-$500,000 salary per year Jake Peavy wins for Sox = 14 plus a $16,000,000 and escalting every season salary. I think that some people really think that Peavy will be the old Peavy. I have been there before and it is hard to come to grips with a sad reality. Wood/Prior Disease affects thousands of Chicago baseball fans each season. |
Author: | Keyser Soze [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Peavy a moanin' and a groanin' |
Peavy has shown flashes of being dominate. The complete game shutout against 1st place Cleveland, he beat a red-hot Red Sox team in Boston and the relief appearence against Washington. He may not be able to start every 5th day for an entire season but if the Sox win the central this year I want Jake Peavy starting game 1 of the playoffs because he's a difference maker and has the ability to shut down any team whenever he takes the mound. |
Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:49 pm ] |
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Keyser Soze wrote: Peavy has shown flashes of being dominate. The complete game shutout against 1st place Cleveland, he beat a red-hot Red Sox team in Boston and the relief appearence against Washington. He may not be able to start every 5th day for an entire season but if the Sox win the central this year I want Jake Peavy starting game 1 of the playoffs because he's a difference maker and has the ability to shut down any team whenever he takes the mound. Replace Peavy with Wood/Prior and you would sound just like a Cub fan from back in the day. Likely you made fun of such people back then, now you see what was happening to us. |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:53 pm ] |
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Um, I hope Peavy comes around but I don't want him starting game 1 of the playoffs. Not at this point. |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:55 pm ] |
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Hank Scorpio wrote: They would likely be better because Peavy's money would be spent on a pitcher or position player who actually played the majority of each season. You'd think so right? But Adam Dunn and Alex Rios aren't exactly helping out much. Neither is Edwin Jackson or Gavin Floyd for the most part. |
Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:58 pm ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: They would likely be better because Peavy's money would be spent on a pitcher or position player who actually played the majority of each season. You'd think so right? But Adam Dunn and Alex Rios aren't exactly helping out much. Neither is Edwin Jackson or Gavin Floyd for the most part. You have point there. |
Author: | Douchebag [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:59 pm ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: They would likely be better because Peavy's money would be spent on a pitcher or position player who actually played the majority of each season. You'd think so right? But Adam Dunn and Alex Rios aren't exactly helping out much. Neither is Edwin Jackson or Gavin Floyd for the most part. Edwin Jackson or Gavin Floyd > Dead Jake Peavy |
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