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I don't want to see Jackson or Thornton traded. The rotation and the bullpen have been the strenghts of this team and I don't think they should take away from a strength to improve a weakness.

Keyser Soze wrote:

I don't want to see Jackson or Thornton traded. The rotation and the bullpen have been the strenghts of this team and I don't think they should take away from a strength to improve a weakness.

I agree completely. I have watched Rasmus a lot in the last couple years and I do not think he is worth it.

I don't want to see Jackson or Thornton traded. The rotation and the bullpen have been the strenghts of this team and I don't think they should take away from a strength to improve a weakness.

"I don't think they should take away from a strength to improve a weakness."
So they should take away from a weakness? I don't get it?

Keyser Soze wrote:

I don't want to see Jackson or Thornton traded. The rotation and the bullpen have been the strenghts of this team and I don't think they should take away from a strength to improve a weakness.

Jackson won't be resigning here after this year. If he can secure a potential solid CF in Rasmus, I'm all for it.

Remember, he was a .276 hitter last year, with a .839 OPS and double digit steals.

He is a really talented kid that could be alot better than he is right now. Character concerns appear to be part of the deal too.

Urlacher's missing neck wrote:

He is a really talented kid that could be alot better than he is right now. Character concerns appear to be part of the deal too.

Rasmus or LaRussa?

SteveSarley wrote:

"I don't think they should take away from a strength to improve a weakness."
So they should take away from a weakness? I don't get it?

They need to keep the pitching staff intact. Use position players or minor leaguers to upgrade the offense. What's not to 'get' about that??

The minor leagues is far from depleted.

There is a reason why every team in baseball is looking for pitching. Having a 'glut' of starting pitching is a good thing and if the Sox win the division they want Edwin Jackson starting a playoff game. Dealing a starting pitcher or a bullpen arm would hurt the team.

The minor leagues is far from depleted.

Keyser Soze wrote:

The minor leagues is far from depleted.

Hmmm

Joe Cowley has shot down this rumour as balderdash.

They need to keep the pitching staff intact. Use position players or minor leaguers to upgrade the offense. What's not to 'get' about that??

Keyser Soze wrote:

I really respect your baseball knowledge, Keyser, we just disagree on this.
You can't get rid of the guys hurting your team: Dunn and Rios.
That said, the only way to help the team without hurting it is by trading minor leaguers.
I really don't think the minors have nearly as much talent as they did a couple of years ago.

Author:	kujoe_7 [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:59 am ]
Post subject:	Cardinals, White Sox Talking Colby Rasmus
Cardinals, White Sox Talking Colby Rasmus By Luke Adams [July 24 at 10:56am CST] Despite publicly insisting they don't intend to trade Colby Rasmus, the Cardinals have engaged in discussions with the White Sox involving the outfielder, reports Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Strauss says talks between the two teams have "accelerated" within the last few days. According to Strauss, Edwin Jackson and Matt Thornton are among the players who could interest the Cardinals. The Cards would also be looking for minor league talent from the White Sox, and a third team "may be sought to facilitate a deal." The Nationals and Rays also remain interested in Rasmus, who has seen a recent decline in his playing time as Jon Jay has taken over as St. Louis's primary center fielder.

Author:	muswp1 [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:36 pm ]
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Edwin Jackson or Matt Thornton for Colby Rasmus, fine. Jackson and Thornton for Rasmus, too much.

Author:	Keyser Soze [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:21 pm ]
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I don't want to see Jackson or Thornton traded. The rotation and the bullpen have been the strenghts of this team and I don't think they should take away from a strength to improve a weakness.

Author:	RFDC [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:10 am ]
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Keyser Soze wrote: I don't want to see Jackson or Thornton traded. The rotation and the bullpen have been the strenghts of this team and I don't think they should take away from a strength to improve a weakness. I agree completely. I have watched Rasmus a lot in the last couple years and I do not think he is worth it.

Author:	SteveSarley [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:07 am ]
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"I don't think they should take away from a strength to improve a weakness." So they should take away from a weakness? I don't get it?

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Author:	rogers park bryan [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:47 am ]
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RFDC wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: I don't want to see Jackson or Thornton traded. The rotation and the bullpen have been the strenghts of this team and I don't think they should take away from a strength to improve a weakness. I agree completely. I have watched Rasmus a lot in the last couple years and I do not think he is worth it. Really? Dont think the La Russa saga has held him back? I kinda expect him to break out in his next stop, no matter where it is

Author:	Hawkeye Vince [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:06 am ]
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Keyser Soze wrote: I don't want to see Jackson or Thornton traded. The rotation and the bullpen have been the strenghts of this team and I don't think they should take away from a strength to improve a weakness. Jackson won't be resigning here after this year. If he can secure a potential solid CF in Rasmus, I'm all for it. Remember, he was a .276 hitter last year, with a .839 OPS and double digit steals.

Author:	Keyser Soze [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:12 am ]
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SteveSarley wrote: "I don't think they should take away from a strength to improve a weakness." So they should take away from a weakness? I don't get it? They need to keep the pitching staff intact. Use position players or minor leaguers to upgrade the offense. What's not to 'get' about that??

Author:	sjboyd0137 [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:18 am ]
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Hawkeye Vince wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: I don't want to see Jackson or Thornton traded. The rotation and the bullpen have been the strenghts of this team and I don't think they should take away from a strength to improve a weakness. Jackson won't be resigning here after this year. If he can secure a potential solid CF in Rasmus, I'm all for it. Remember, he was a .276 hitter last year, with a .839 OPS and double digit steals. +1

Author:	Urlacher's missing neck [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:24 am ]
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He is a really talented kid that could be alot better than he is right now. Character concerns appear to be part of the deal too.

Author:	Hawkeye Vince [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:33 am ]
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Urlacher's missing neck wrote: He is a really talented kid that could be alot better than he is right now. Character concerns appear to be part of the deal too. Rasmus or LaRussa?

Author:	SteveSarley [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:29 am ]
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Keyser Soze wrote: SteveSarley wrote: "I don't think they should take away from a strength to improve a weakness." So they should take away from a weakness? I don't get it? They need to keep the pitching staff intact. Use position players or minor leaguers to upgrade the offense. What's not to 'get' about that?? The pitching staff has a glut of starters. If you are going to trade because you need a position player, why would you think you have extra position players to trade, especially position players who are wanted by the other team. Rasmus for Rios isn't going to happen. The minor leagues, with the exception of Viciedo, is pretty much deplted, isn't it? You deal from your strengths. What's not to "get" about that?

Author:	Keyser Soze [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:36 am ]
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There is a reason why every team in baseball is looking for pitching. Having a 'glut' of starting pitching is a good thing and if the Sox win the division they want Edwin Jackson starting a playoff game. Dealing a starting pitcher or a bullpen arm would hurt the team. The minor leagues is far from depleted.

Author:	SteveSarley [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:02 am ]
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Keyser Soze wrote: There is a reason why every team in baseball is looking for pitching. Having a 'glut' of starting pitching is a good thing and if the Sox win the division they want Edwin Jackson starting a playoff game. Dealing a starting pitcher or a bullpen arm would hurt the team. The minor leagues is far from depleted. I really respect your baseball knowledge, Keyser, we just disagree on this. You can't get rid of the guys hurting your team: Dunn and Rios. That said, the only way to help the team without hurting it is by trading minor leaguers. I really don't think the minors have nearly as much talent as they did a couple of years ago.

Author:	SHARK [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:11 am ]
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I don't like the trade rumor as currently structured. First, while he's earning closer money, Matt Thornton's a lot more comfortable in the setup role to current closer Sergio Santos. Second, considering the fact Jake Peavy is one more bad injury away from cutting his career short, if they dealt Herb Lawrence's buddy Edwin "Der Kommissar" Jackson, the White Sox might end up losing 2 starting pitchers if they made this deal. As for Colby Rasmus, where does he play? You can't get a 24 pack of Pepsi Max for Alex Rios and despite the fact he's been terrible this season, Rios appears to be firmly entrenched in center field for the forseeable future and has a big contract to boot. Unless the Sox want to eat the bulk of Rios' contract, that's not happening. Also, whether Ozzie likes it or not, it's only a matter of time before Dayan Viciedo takes over right field for Carlos Quentin. Rasmus may not care for Cardinals' manager Tony LaRussa, but I don't see this deal coming to fruition.

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Author:	Hawkeye Vince [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:04 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: The minor leagues is far from depleted. Hmmm I'm having the same pause at this comment.

Author:	Terry's Peeps [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:12 pm ]
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Joe Cowley has shot down this rumour as balderdash.

Author:	sjboyd0137 [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:13 pm ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote: Joe Cowley has shot down this rumour as balderdash. Oney and Ozzie Jr aren't sources.

Author:	Rod [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:17 pm ]
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Keyser Soze wrote: They need to keep the pitching staff intact. Use position players or minor leaguers to upgrade the offense. What's not to 'get' about that?? You mean to win this season? This team isn't winning shit the way it's currently constructed. May as well make the move for the future. It might help now too.

Author:	Keyser Soze [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:59 pm ]
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SteveSarley wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: There is a reason why every team in baseball is looking for pitching. Having a 'glut' of starting pitching is a good thing and if the Sox win the division they want Edwin Jackson starting a playoff game. Dealing a starting pitcher or a bullpen arm would hurt the team. The minor leagues is far from depleted. I really respect your baseball knowledge, Keyser, we just disagree on this. You can't get rid of the guys hurting your team: Dunn and Rios. That said, the only way to help the team without hurting it is by trading minor leaguers. I really don't think the minors have nearly as much talent as they did a couple of years ago. They may not have that monster stud prospect that is needed at the front of a deal to acquire a top player like Felix Hernandez or Tulo but they have more than enough to get the type of players that are currently being discussed. If they can't matchup then move on to the next deal because they don't need some big blockbuster-type deal, they just need some fine-tuning.

Author:	kujoe_7 [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Cardinals, White Sox Talking Colby Rasmus
MONDAY: White Sox GM Kenny Williams told Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune that the report was not entirely accurate. "That, as reported, is incorrect," Williams said, without denying its validity outright (Twitter link).