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Interesting stuff. Coop was a snitch basically. I'm surprised Ozzie didn't beat his ass for going behind his back. I agree with Cowley, to bad Coop and Hollywood haven't spent more time with Jake and the other pitchers. Coop always did have the d-bag feel to him when on the Score.

So Ozzie and Kenny had a barely functional relationship for years and yet Cooper was the one who is at fault?

Kenny and Ozzie were both at fault. Ozzie just ultimately lost because his big mouth made it easier to get rid of him.

Maybe if they spent more time on the product, Jake Peavy wouldn’t have been mishandled by Cooper since he arrived .[/i]

The confusion was the result of two days with Don Cooper at the helm last week. Or, as I like to call it, the two days Fredo was allowed to run the family..[/i]

This organization sounds like it's full of 15 year old girls...Cowley included. Jerry had/has to be considering just getting rid of everyone at this point.

If I were a Sox fan I'd be embarrassed and angry

A major-league coach outside the organization took it a step further Wednesday, saying the idea of all these rumored candidates floating out there “was complete BS. None of the candidates being mentioned even wanted a job where the pitching coach was going to have more years and maybe even more money than them.”

.[/i]

Not embarrassed, but definitely angry. I was under the impression that this shit was over now that Ozzie is gone.

I'm a bit surprised Cowley wrote something like this.

without setting foot in the locker room.

Author:	conns7901 [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:33 am ]
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When does he officially move to Florida? White Sox’ Don Cooper set stage for upheaval that led to Robin Ventura BY JOE COWLEY jcowley@suntimes.com October 6, 2011 10:16PM White Sox pitching coach Don Cooper (right) played a big role in bringing the Ozzie Guillen era to an end. \| Steve Nesius~AP Related Stories White Sox pay no heed to experience with Ventura hiring Updated: October 6, 2011 10:16PM It was a little error in the press release that had to be fixed minutes before Ken Williams took center stage of the teleconference Thursday to proudly announce his new hire as manager. The White Sox listed Robin Ventura as the 38th manager in franchise history until a call from the Elias Sports Bureau clarified that he was, in fact, their 39th. The confusion was the result of two days with Don Cooper at the helm last week. Or, as I like to call it, the two days Fredo was allowed to run the family. Ventura might be a great manager when it’s all said and done. He might, in fact, be the guy who can help lead this franchise back to a World Series. Covering him when he was a player, he was a leader, he was thoughtful when dealing with reporters and he was a straight shooter with everyone. Basically, a laid-back version of Paul Konerko. I like him. The decision was bold. It’s not his fault that he also happened to be a pawn in a game of sleight of hand that started in June. Look, most Sox fans don’t care how this went down or why it went down. Ventura is the new manager, and that’s all that matters to the average fan as he or she makes the decision to buy into the 2012 Sox product or avoid it. But what are you spending your money on? Is it people who have the best interests of the organization they work for in mind, or is it people who care about making sure their own paycheck clears and they stay on the job for as long as possible? Survival 101. “Coop is obviously now the GM, assistant GM, manager and pitching coach the way he’s been acting the last few weeks,” a member of the organization said late last week. A major-league coach outside the organization took it a step further Wednesday, saying the idea of all these rumored candidates floating out there “was complete BS. None of the candidates being mentioned even wanted a job where the pitching coach was going to have more years and maybe even more money than them.” Another Sox source said there was a reason former manager Ozzie Guillen sent Cooper a text on the first of the two days he managed that read, “You finally got what you wanted.” It’s because by the time Guillen finally figured out who the Judas was, it was too late. The wheels were in motion. I actually applaud Williams and Cooper for how methodical and calculated they were in the coup that toppled the Guillen regime. Maybe if they spent more time on the product, Jake Peavy wouldn’t have been mishandled by Cooper since he arrived and Williams would actually make baseball decisions based on winning rather than trying to show up his former skipper. According to a major-league source, Cooper sidestepped Guillen — and the rest of the coaching staff — in June, going directly to Williams to beg for an extension. Cooper was breaking protocol because Williams had publicly stated two years before that the coaches’ fates were in Guillen’s hands. And why would Williams want to retain Cooper, who got an un-Sox-like four-year extension? The feeling among the coaches was that Cooper was all too eager to share with Williams what was being said about the GM and club on a daily basis. Meanwhile, the source said Guillen went to chairman Jerry Reinsdorf in late July to fight for extensions for his staff one more time, only to be told that Cooper already was working on his with Williams. “That’s when Ozzie checked out,” the source said. By late August, Guillen was disgusted and wanted to send a message to the organization by complaining about his contract. After all, if Cooper was given an extension for a pitching staff that had quit the last month, why shouldn’t Guillen? The rest played out just like Williams and Cooper wanted. Out of respect for Reinsdorf, Guillen’s last public tweak at the two was small — almost hidden — coming in his declaration at his farewell Sox news conference that “I’m Chicago tough,” as he stood up from the table. The running joke with most of the staff for years was that Williams often spoke about being “Chicago tough,” but “Kenny and Coop had the biggest rabbit ears and were as sensitive as anyone to criticism,” a source said. So welcome aboard, Robin Ventura. Different face, different voice, but the same damn people are running the asylum.

Author:	beni hanna [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:50 am ]
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This is an odd comment the same damn people are running the asylum. no axe to grind here.

Author:	schmitty1121 [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:15 am ]
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Interesting stuff. Coop was a snitch basically. I'm surprised Ozzie didn't beat his ass for going behind his back. I agree with Cowley, to bad Coop and Hollywood haven't spent more time with Jake and the other pitchers. Coop always did have the d-bag feel to him when on the Score.

Author:	Urlacher's missing neck [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:18 am ]
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Interesting. Enjoy Miami Joe. Even though this could very well be true he will get run out of town sooner than later. The very few times I have listened to that M&H Coop segment the guy did seem like an ass.

Author:	rogers park bryan [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:21 am ]
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schmitty1121 wrote: Interesting stuff. Coop was a snitch basically. I'm surprised Ozzie didn't beat his ass for going behind his back. I agree with Cowley, to bad Coop and Hollywood haven't spent more time with Jake and the other pitchers. Coop always did have the d-bag feel to him when on the Score. I really cant see the 'Hollywood' thing with Kenny Williams

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Author:	Brick [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:23 am ]
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So Ozzie and Kenny had a barely functional relationship for years and yet Cooper was the one who is at fault? Kenny and Ozzie were both at fault. Ozzie just ultimately lost because his big mouth made it easier to get rid of him.

Author:	SomeGuy [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:23 am ]
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I don't think he comes off as a scumbag as he does a pompous dickhead. The scumbag here would be Joe Cowley.

Author:	Terry's Peeps [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:28 am ]
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Coop smacks the shit outta Cowley right back.

Author:	cpguy [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:31 am ]
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This Coop guy is really a fucking hothead. Geez. Reinsdorf should have axed Kenny and this guy and totally cleaned house. What a soap opera.

Author:	good dolphin [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:32 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: So Ozzie and Kenny had a barely functional relationship for years and yet Cooper was the one who is at fault? Kenny and Ozzie were both at fault. Ozzie just ultimately lost because his big mouth made it easier to get rid of him. Even further, Ozzie was obviously on his way out if not this year than next. Cooper liked it here and was always a KW guy (remember he was a sox minor league pitchng coach when KW was the minor league director and his coaching predates Ozzies managing). Why wouldn't he look to try to stay? It's just shocking to me that Ozzie through his kids could make some of the most undignified comments about KW over the past few years but Cowley finds that having no effect on Ozzie's tenure.

Author:	SomeGuy [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:33 am ]
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He called himself pompous!

Author:	Gloopan Kuratz [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:35 am ]
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Oney was right all along.

Author:	good dolphin [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:36 am ]
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conns7901 wrote: Maybe if they spent more time on the product, Jake Peavy wouldn’t have been mishandled by Cooper since he arrived .[/i] Maybe if Cooper wasn't here, Phil Humber would have miraculously resuerrected his career on his own and still would have carried this team in April/May. Cooper may make a mistake here or there with a pitcher but the guy has an undeniably strong track record and it really is a joke to question him on his work results.

Author:	good dolphin [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:39 am ]
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conns7901 wrote: The confusion was the result of two days with Don Cooper at the helm last week. Or, as I like to call it, the two days Fredo was allowed to run the family..[/i] Cowley has the analogy incorrect. Ozzie was Sonny and Cooper was Michael.

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Author:	Northside_Dan [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:42 am ]
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This organization sounds like it's full of 15 year old girls...Cowley included. Jerry had/has to be considering just getting rid of everyone at this point. If I were a Sox fan I'd be embarrassed and angry

Author:	Terry's Peeps [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:43 am ]
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Northside_Dan wrote: This organization sounds like it's full of 15 year old girls...Cowley included. Jerry had/has to be considering just getting rid of everyone at this point. If I were a Sox fan I'd be embarrassed and angry Not embarrassed, but definitely angry. I was under the impression that this shit was over now that Ozzie is gone.

Author:	Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:44 am ]
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That article is an embarrassment. "The coup that toppled the Guillen regime"? Jeez.

Author:	good dolphin [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:45 am ]
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conns7901 wrote: A major-league coach outside the organization took it a step further Wednesday, saying the idea of all these rumored candidates floating out there “was complete BS. None of the candidates being mentioned even wanted a job where the pitching coach was going to have more years and maybe even more money than them.” .[/i] Nobody? You mean like when Ozzie Guillen accepted the manager's job eight years ago under the same situation. Cowley is just a straight out lazy reporter. Enjoy being a columnist Joe. You cheap shotted the Cubs as a beat writer to the point they don't talk to you. You have burned all bridges with the Sox. I assume JR would close the doors on you if you tried to cozy up to the Bulls. You have a great future.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:45 am ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote: Not embarrassed, but definitely angry. I was under the impression that this shit was over now that Ozzie is gone. Not as long as Cowley is around. He really is a giant penis.

Author:	sjboyd0137 [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:46 am ]
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Annoyed...not really even angry Anyone who's paid attention over the last 3 seasons or so knew the shit was going to hit the fan when Ozzie left. Not surprised that this is coming from the Guillen family mouthpiece either. Because it's Cowley, I only believe about half of it anyway.

Author:	Elmhurst Steve [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:54 am ]
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I'm a bit surprised Cowley wrote something like this. It seems to me that writing this kind of piece will serve to alienate him with the GM and certainly with Cooper. I always knew the guy was a charter member of the Ozzie ALS, but this seems like a poor decision on his part to publish this. It was time for a change and whether Cooper supplied information to the GM that made it easier for Williams to get a managerial change (even if it was requested by Ozzie that he be let out of his contract), it doesn't change the way Cooper did his job. Was he a bad pitching coach? -No. The fact that he is a snitch might be something Ventura will keep in mind when speaking about Kenny Williams in Coopers presence. But assuming Kenny and Robin are on the same page and have a good working relationship....does any of this matter?

Author:	redskingreg [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:58 am ]
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Cowley on with Mac & Meat at 11:40.

Author:	sjboyd0137 [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:59 am ]
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Elmhurst Steve wrote: I'm a bit surprised Cowley wrote something like this. Actually, the fact that it was Cowley should be the least surprising part of this whole thing. The guy has spent the last few years alienating himself from access to Kenny Williams. Because he's no longer a beat writer, he appears to feel he doesn't need the access. Sounds familiar to a former Sun Times columnist that used to write things without setting foot in the locker room.

Author:	HossasSlavicRage [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:31 am ]
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Elmhurst Steve wrote: I'm a bit surprised Cowley wrote something like this. Are you kidding me?

Author:	good dolphin [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:42 am ]
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The whole premise of Cooper telling KW about others feelings for him inside the clubhouse is silly. Ozzie's kids were openly tweeting about KW and his family life. Ozzie was hiding nothing. I cannot think of a Sox fan who, given the decision to keep Ozzie or Cooper, would have chosen Ozzie. Ozzie is in the top half of field managers in the league. Cooper is in the top five pitching coaches (and that is being conservative).