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The point of a minor league system is to produce MLB players. Santos, Sale, De Aza, Viceado, Morel, Beckham and Flowers will all be on the MLB roster next year.

Here are the ZIP's forecasts for 2012:
Best-case scenario ZiPS projection: 89-73
Worst-case scenario: 70-92

The point of a minor league system is to produce MLB players. Santos, Sale, De Aza, Viceado, Morel, Beckham and Flowers will all be on the MLB roster next year.

THE INQUISITOR wrote:

Here are the ZIP's forecasts for 2012:
Best-case scenario ZiPS projection: 89-73
Worst-case scenario: 70-92

Way to go out on a limb.

The White Sox will finish with a better record than the Cubs for the next three seasons...

Note: I really don't care, but just thought I'd put things in perspective for those who just like to post their silly little comments...

Krazy Ivan wrote:

Yeah just like this year. Woooooo hoooooooo. So the Sox motto continues. We may suck, but we suck less than the Cubs.

Sox win 82 games next year and the Cubs win 79.

YES!

Krazy Ivan wrote:

Thats truly a silly statement

Krazy Ivan wrote:

Yeah just like this year. Woooooo hoooooooo. So the Sox motto continues. We may suck, but we suck less than the Cubs.

Sox win 82 games next year and the Cubs win 79.

YES!

rogers park bryan wrote:

Krazy Ivan wrote:

Thats truly a silly statement

Based on what?

Those things may or may not be true. Still not seeing why my post is "silly". Never said the Sox are going t be great. It's actually more of a statement about where the Cubs are in addition to where the Sox could be heading...

Well, the hard to predict three years in advance is pretty common sensical no?

We'll just have to see, then. I can see things easily going wrong for the Cubs in Free Agency if Theo does some Theo things. Maybe it will turn out well. I'm just not sure.

I just see the teams as currenty constructed (which I admit, doesn't really mean much at this point) with the White Sox having the edge. Maybe 2 seasons would be better...

rogers park bryan wrote:

Well, the hard to predict three years in advance is pretty common sensical no?

It would be if you weren't also predicting what the Sox will do over that time period.

2 seasons is a lot better.

Dont listen to people like Scorehead and others saying it will take 3 years for Theo to get his guys in. Thats pretty ridiculous and exaggerating the truth

You seem to be getting a little "Theo Fatigue"

Theo things= Win a world series every 4 years or so?

rogers park bryan wrote:

Maybe you're right. There are probably a few Roid Monsters out there that can be picked up soon...

rogers park bryan wrote:

Krazy Ivan wrote:

Thats truly a silly statement

Based on what?

good dolphin wrote:

The point of a minor league system is to produce MLB players. Santos, Sale, De Aza, Viceado, Morel, Beckham and Flowers will all be on the MLB roster next year.

So as long as your minor league system puts people in the big leagues they are a good system regardless of how good or bad those players are?

Houfpair made a big league roster as well, that did not make the Cubs minor league system good.

The point is, these guys moved up more quickly to the MLB than ordinarily acceptable. If they were in the minors the Sox would have a rich minor league organization.

good dolphin wrote:

The point is, these guys moved up more quickly to the MLB than ordinarily acceptable. If they were in the minors the Sox would have a rich minor league organization.

But doesn't that point to how bad the team is? If the Sox were a better club they would not have had all those guys in the majors already.

The person making it

Author:	THE INQUISITOR [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:03 am ]
Post subject:	The Future Looks Bright
This one goes out to GOOD DOLPHIN, KEYSER, FRANKC in particular but I know you will all ove it.... This from ESPN/BASEBALL PROSPECTUS Kevin Goldstein: Organizational future One of the best stories in the minors this year was reliever Addison Reed, who went from Low-A to the big leagues in his full-season debut and could be the club's closer of the future. With that out of the way, there's nothing else good to say about baseball's WORST minor league system. Trades, drafts that are cheap and unimpressive, and an inability to conduct business internationally due to recent scandals have left the system without talent. Reed is the system's top prospect, but deciding who No. 2 is can be a long and depressing exercise. BUT WAIT THAT"S NOT ALL Here are the ZIP's forecasts for 2012: Best-case scenario ZiPS projection: 89-73 Worst-case scenario: 70-92 I am just reporting what is being said so DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER

Author:	good dolphin [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:08 am ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
The point of a minor league system is to produce MLB players. Santos, Sale, De Aza, Viceado, Morel, Beckham and Flowers will all be on the MLB roster next year.

Author:	Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:10 am ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
good dolphin wrote: The point of a minor league system is to produce MLB players. Santos, Sale, De Aza, Viceado, Morel, Beckham and Flowers will all be on the MLB roster next year. HIP HIP HOOORAY!!!!!!

Author:	Brick [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:10 am ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
THE INQUISITOR wrote: Here are the ZIP's forecasts for 2012: Best-case scenario ZiPS projection: 89-73 Worst-case scenario: 70-92 Way to go out on a limb.

Author:	Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:12 am ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
good dolphin wrote: The point of a minor league system is to produce MLB players. Santos, Sale, De Aza, Viceado, Morel, Beckham and Flowers will all be on the MLB roster next year. Let FANBOY KEYSER defend this organization and protect your credibility.

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Author:	RFDC [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:12 am ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
good dolphin wrote: The point of a minor league system is to produce MLB players. Santos, Sale, De Aza, Viceado, Morel, Beckham and Flowers will all be on the MLB roster next year. So as long as your minor league system puts people in the big leagues they are a good system regardless of how good or bad those players are? Houfpair made a big league roster as well, that did not make the Cubs minor league system good.

Author:	bigfan [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
The veteran coaching staff is what will really help.

Author:	Krazy Ivan [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:03 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
The White Sox will finish with a better record than the Cubs for the next three seasons... Note: I really don't care, but just thought I'd put things in perspective for those who just like to post their silly little comments...

Author:	RFDC [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
Krazy Ivan wrote: The White Sox will finish with a better record than the Cubs for the next three seasons... Note: I really don't care, but just thought I'd put things in perspective for those who just like to post their silly little comments... Yeah just like this year. Woooooo hoooooooo. So the Sox motto continues. We may suck, but we suck less than the Cubs. Sox win 82 games next year and the Cubs win 79. YES!

Author:	Krazy Ivan [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:10 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
RFDC wrote: Krazy Ivan wrote: The White Sox will finish with a better record than the Cubs for the next three seasons... Note: I really don't care, but just thought I'd put things in perspective for those who just like to post their silly little comments... Yeah just like this year. Woooooo hoooooooo. So the Sox motto continues. We may suck, but we suck less than the Cubs. Sox win 82 games next year and the Cubs win 79. YES! Just giving my opinion. There is no pride or shame in it. Just is what it is. I hope the Cubs do well. Very excited abotu the Epstein move than may or may not happen...

Author:	rogers park bryan [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:12 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
Krazy Ivan wrote: The White Sox will finish with a better record than the Cubs for the next three seasons... Note: I really don't care, but just thought I'd put things in perspective for those who just like to post their silly little comments... Thats truly a silly statement

Author:	Krazy Ivan [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:12 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
rogers park bryan wrote: Krazy Ivan wrote: The White Sox will finish with a better record than the Cubs for the next three seasons... Note: I really don't care, but just thought I'd put things in perspective for those who just like to post their silly little comments... Thats truly a silly statement Based on what?

Author:	Brick [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:18 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
RFDC wrote: Krazy Ivan wrote: The White Sox will finish with a better record than the Cubs for the next three seasons... Note: I really don't care, but just thought I'd put things in perspective for those who just like to post their silly little comments... Yeah just like this year. Woooooo hoooooooo. So the Sox motto continues. We may suck, but we suck less than the Cubs. Sox win 82 games next year and the Cubs win 79. YES! Shouldn't you be rooting for the Twins?

Author:	Krazy Ivan [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:22 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
Those things may or may not be true. Still not seeing why my post is "silly". Never said the Sox are going t be great. It's actually more of a statement about where the Cubs are in addition to where the Sox could be heading...

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Author:	Krazy Ivan [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:42 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
We'll just have to see, then. I can see things easily going wrong for the Cubs in Free Agency if Theo does some Theo things. Maybe it will turn out well. I'm just not sure. I just see the teams as currenty constructed (which I admit, doesn't really mean much at this point) with the White Sox having the edge. Maybe 2 seasons would be better...

Author:	Brick [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:44 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
rogers park bryan wrote: Well, the hard to predict three years in advance is pretty common sensical no? It would be if you weren't also predicting what the Sox will do over that time period.

Author:	Krazy Ivan [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:53 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
rogers park bryan wrote: 2 seasons is a lot better. Dont listen to people like Scorehead and others saying it will take 3 years for Theo to get his guys in. Thats pretty ridiculous and exaggerating the truth You seem to be getting a little "Theo Fatigue" Theo things= Win a world series every 4 years or so? Maybe you're right. There are probably a few Roid Monsters out there that can be picked up soon...

Author:	good dolphin [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:41 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
Krazy Ivan wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Krazy Ivan wrote: The White Sox will finish with a better record than the Cubs for the next three seasons... Note: I really don't care, but just thought I'd put things in perspective for those who just like to post their silly little comments... Thats truly a silly statement Based on what? The person making it

Author:	good dolphin [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:47 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
RFDC wrote: good dolphin wrote: The point of a minor league system is to produce MLB players. Santos, Sale, De Aza, Viceado, Morel, Beckham and Flowers will all be on the MLB roster next year. So as long as your minor league system puts people in the big leagues they are a good system regardless of how good or bad those players are? Houfpair made a big league roster as well, that did not make the Cubs minor league system good. There are already some known quantities at the MLB level. Santos is a proven MLB closer. Sale may not be a proven starter but he's had a pretty remarkable career path including 1.5 years of MLB service. That's not banking on hope with those two. The point is, these guys moved up more quickly to the MLB than ordinarily acceptable. If they were in the minors the Sox would have a rich minor league organization.

Author:	RFDC [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:10 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
good dolphin wrote: The point is, these guys moved up more quickly to the MLB than ordinarily acceptable. If they were in the minors the Sox would have a rich minor league organization. But doesn't that point to how bad the team is? If the Sox were a better club they would not have had all those guys in the majors already.

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:31 am ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
RFDC wrote: good dolphin wrote: The point is, these guys moved up more quickly to the MLB than ordinarily acceptable. If they were in the minors the Sox would have a rich minor league organization. But doesn't that point to how bad the team is? If the Sox were a better club they would not have had all those guys in the majors already. Most of them were ready. Santos and Sale have had great young careers. Morel had an acceptable rookie season. Beckham was very good in his first year. The others have all shown potential in late season call ups. The learning curves have been appropriate. I am not as down as everyone else about next year. I thought they could challenge last year. Key players had record setting bad years that I don't expect to be replicated. I feel the same way I did at the beginning of last year.

Author:	Krazy Ivan [ Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:32 am ]
Post subject:	Re: The Future Looks Bright
good dolphin wrote: The person making it Fair enough...