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Author:  bigfan [ Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:16 pm ]
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You are

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Author:  Darkside [ Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:17 pm ]
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Frank ain't gonna like this thread.
Author:  Drop In [ Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:18 pm ]
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Pruned
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:21 pm ]
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And doing it badly.
Author:  bigfan [ Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:22 pm ]
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Darkside wrote:
Frank ain't gonna like this thread.


The humor comes from Kenny inability to just say "WE ARE REBUILDING" instead it always needs to come with a caveat.

"If you listened closely I said we are not rebuilding in the traditional sense of the word" (Best Morpheus Vice Inflections)

WTF does that mean????? Rebuilding has a traditional meaning and I guess now a contemporary meaning? Someone call Wesbters!
Author:  bigfan [ Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:24 pm ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
And doing it badly.


Uh oh! I will give Terrry Peeps his credit, when they resigned Frasor it was "just a guy" and he was not all for it, it was not cheap either...of course Keysor reasoned it all out that signing Frasor was a good move. Now we will wait for him to explain why trading him was a good move.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:29 pm ]
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I'm convinced that there is no plan for rebuilding.

We're a screw.
Author:  Keyser Soze [ Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:30 pm ]
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They don't pick up the option they get nothing. They pick up the option and get 2 young arms. Did you really need me to explain that to you??
Author:  bigfan [ Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:58 pm ]
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Keyser Soze wrote:
They don't pick up the option they get nothing. They pick up the option and get 2 young arms. Did you really need me to explain that to you??


So they paid $3.75 M? for 2 young arms? and if they release Frasor, maybe a Type B free agent? for nothing

and they got 2 guys in Class A, drafted in 17th and 20th round? One of them is 20 years old in Class A.

Come on, just admit it makes no sense and the Frasor signing was a mistake, Kenny bascially just did? and most Sox fans have...why not jump on board?
Author:  Keyser Soze [ Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:16 pm ]
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If they declined the option they would not have received compensation. I don't understand the rest of your post.
Author:  bigfan [ Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:51 pm ]
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Keyser Soze wrote:
If they declined the option they would not have received compensation. I don't understand the rest of your post.


You dont think they can find 2 Class A pitchers drafted int he 17th and 20th rounds on their own??

And please do not try to tell me that the plan was to sign Frasor to trade him.
Author:  Keyser Soze [ Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:52 pm ]
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You said the Sox were stupid for picking up Frasor's $3.75M option. Now a team traded for that $3.75M option AND threw in 2 prospects to boot. Doesn't seem so stupid now does it?? It's funny how you try SO hard and continue to fall short. :lol:
Author:  bigfan [ Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:14 pm ]
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The fact a team traded for the guy does not make the move smart when it happened?

But I know, Kenny is sooooo smart he knew he would be able to trade Frasor for Class A prospects?

Kenny has a great plan that obviously only 2 people know about Kenny and You, what other great plans does Kenny have?

You have defended every move Kenny has ever made, even Frank has criticized Kenny (Even though he took it back)

Are the Sox fans Good Dolphin, Terrys Peeps, Agg Bob, etc etc all against kenny too, as they all think Kenny is fucking up?
Author:  Keyser Soze [ Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:35 pm ]
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Why do you always look to others for support? Have conviction in your own thoughts. It's ok it's just a message board. I don't give a damn what they think. Kenny picked up the option and got value. It was a good baseball move plain and simple.
Author:  RFDC [ Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:08 pm ]
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Any move that Kenny makes is always good in Keyser's opinion.
Author:  Urlacher's missing neck [ Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:13 pm ]
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So when is Kenneth Williams getting added to the 40 man roster?
Author:  bigfan [ Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:34 pm ]
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Keyser Soze wrote:
Why do you always look to others for support? Have conviction in your own thoughts. It's ok it's just a message board. I don't give a damn what they think. Kenny picked up the option and got value. It was a good baseball move plain and simple.


Which move was a good baseball move? Signing Frasor or trading him? Or both as we all know that was the only reason that Kenny picked up the option.

If Kenny does not pick up Jason Frasor's option, Jason Frasor is looking for a job today and NOT getting paid $3.75 m

Chen got $4.5 M a year, Freddy Garcia and Eric Bedard, got $4M as starters, but Jason Frasor is a $3.75 M guy???

Yeah, I never have original thoughts on anything.
Author:  BD [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:04 am ]
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I'm failing to understand how signing (and then trading) Frasor was a bad move. Are the White Sox paying any of his salary in Toronto? They probably won't get much help from the prospects they got from the trade, but what do they lose here?

There are plenty of reasons to not like Williams. This is not one of them.
Author:  bigfan [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:35 am ]
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BD wrote:
I'm failing to understand how signing (and then trading) Frasor was a bad move. Are the White Sox paying any of his salary in Toronto? They probably won't get much help from the prospects they got from the trade, but what do they lose here?

There are plenty of reasons to not like Williams. This is not one of them.


So at the end of the day, you got nothing? Yet, for a cash strapped team you took the risk of having to pay $3.75 Mill.

How about not picking up the option, then just finding 2 kids you just drafted to pitch in Class A? You are talking about Class 17th and 20th round picks. 20 years old.

One of them was projected to be a 2nd rounder...is about the best you can say.

Wanna search all of the minor leagues for everyone else's ex projected stars and go get them, fine, but please dont tell me that you had a plan to sign a guy for $3.75 M to trade for them...and say thats is a good baseball move!
Author:  bigfan [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:43 am ]
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Keeping Score wrote:
biggie,

Would you agree that you enjoy seeing things that you hate fail, much more than you enjoy seeing things that you like succeed?


Not at all, have much more enjoyment in seeing teams I enjoy win.

This does not mean I dont enjoy watching Kenny's amazing baseball acumen on display for all to see.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:24 pm ]
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I wish bigfan's New Years Resolution was to not post in the Sox section. It must be like nicotine for him.
Author:  jimmypasta [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:25 pm ]
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Big Fan wrote:
I wish Frank's New Years Resolution was to not post in the Cubs section. It must be like nicotine for him.


fixed!
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:27 pm ]
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Over the last 2-3 years, bigfan has posted WAY more about the Sox than I have about the Cubs. Its not even close.

Go back to posting as vegetable lasagna.
Author:  jimmypasta [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:27 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Over the last 2-3 years, bigfan has posted WAY more about the Sox than I have about the Cubs. Its not even close.

Go back to posting as vegetable lasagna.


Not me!
Author:  BD [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:49 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:
BD wrote:
I'm failing to understand how signing (and then trading) Frasor was a bad move. Are the White Sox paying any of his salary in Toronto? They probably won't get much help from the prospects they got from the trade, but what do they lose here?

There are plenty of reasons to not like Williams. This is not one of them.


So at the end of the day, you got nothing? Yet, for a cash strapped team you took the risk of having to pay $3.75 Mill.

How about not picking up the option, then just finding 2 kids you just drafted to pitch in Class A? You are talking about Class 17th and 20th round picks. 20 years old.

One of them was projected to be a 2nd rounder...is about the best you can say.

Wanna search all of the minor leagues for everyone else's ex projected stars and go get them, fine, but please dont tell me that you had a plan to sign a guy for $3.75 M to trade for them...and say thats is a good baseball move!


If you're suggesting that the White Sox need to better develop their own prospects, I don't think anyone would disagree with you. They have the worst farm system in the majors. That doesn't mean that they can't acquire prospects from other teams to help improve their own minor league teams (although I wouldn't point to the Frasor trade as prove that they improved it).

What did you think the White Sox were going to get for Frasor? Why type of prospect? They got two guys who are unlikely to help much, but that's about what you're going to get for an aging middle inning pitcher on the last year of a contract that is probably overpaying him.

Could the Sox have potentially been stuck with him? I guess, but that didn't happen, and I am suggesting, as I did when the Sox picked up the Frasor option (and as they did with giving Santos a new contract and then moving him) that trading him was always a possibility. Perhaps some team (like the Blue Jays) would rather have him for 1 year than have to give a middle reliever two or three years? It's arguable that this is significantly less risky for the Blue Jays.

Was this a good baseball move? It was primarily a payroll dump. Picking up his contract did not hurt the White Sox, and this move can only help in the future, although it's doubtful it will. What it does do is clear a small amount of money off the payroll for next season.
Author:  RFDC [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:53 pm ]
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BD wrote:
They have the worst farm system in the majors.


If you have the worst farm system in the majors at this point in a GM's run with a team then you need to get a new GM to oversee restocking the farm system.
Author:  BD [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:05 pm ]
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RFDC wrote:
BD wrote:
They have the worst farm system in the majors.


If you have the worst farm system in the majors at this point in a GM's run with a team then you need to get a new GM to oversee restocking the farm system.


Fair point, perhaps Williams should be fired, however, I'm not sure how the Frasor trade made the situation worse.
Author:  Keyser Soze [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:54 pm ]
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This is a good article from BA about the trade and scouting reports on the two pitchers the Sox got back. They're a couple of intriguing young arms.


http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/ma ... 12763.html
Author:  bigfan [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:52 pm ]
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Keyser Soze wrote:
This is a good article from BA about the trade and scouting reports on the two pitchers the Sox got back. They're a couple of intriguing young arms.


http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/ma ... 12763.html


C'mon Man? Really? If Kenny signed Jack McDowell today you would tell me he still has something left in the tank?
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