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APPRECIATE THE STRIKEOUT!!!!!
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Author:  Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:54 am ]
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Hope Greg Walker is laughing his ass off now!!!!
Author:  Rod [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:57 am ]
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I don't think he's laughing too hard, Bob. His team is hitting about as poorly as the Sox.
Author:  Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:05 am ]
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Can't wait until BASEBALL STATHEAD EXPERT DAN BERNSTEIN discusses the STRIKEOUT as not really such a bad thing STATISTICALLY again!!!!
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:15 am ]
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A strikeout is no worse than any other out.
Author:  lipidquadcab [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:16 am ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
A strikeout is no worse than any other out.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to sort of disagree with you there...
Author:  Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:23 am ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
A strikeout is no worse than any other out.


Can't wait until he tells us how overrated batting average is as a STATISTIC.
After all, who wants to see hits?
Real Baseball EXPERTS sit and spank the monkey waiting for those two walks and the 3 run homer!!!!
Author:  Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:41 am ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
A strikeout is no worse than any other out.

And if there is a dropped third strike, the batter can get on base!!!!!!!
Author:  Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:45 am ]
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Perhaps POINDEXTER BERNSTEIN will someday compare and contrast the careers of one Frank Thomas as opposed to one OAF Dunn.
Author:  conns7901 [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:55 am ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
A strikeout is no worse than any other out.


A strikeout is better than a double play, but at least by hitting the ball there is a chance for an error and getting on base.
Author:  Rod [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:18 am ]
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conns7901 wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
A strikeout is no worse than any other out.


A strikeout is better than a double play, but at least by hitting the ball there is a chance for an error and getting on base.


There is a school of thought that batted balls are random. That being the case, a strikeout most certainly is far worse than any other kind of out. In fact, we could view any batted ball as a hit, with those being recorded as outs simply happening to go to the wrong place. This is the viewpoint often articulated by bernstein, although not in such a straightforward manner.

That's why I was so puzzled at his suggestion that Theo has somehow figured out a way to better position the fielders in order to eliminate a portion of this randomness.

I am further puzzled by bernstein's conclusion that Alejandro DeAza is "bad at baseball" because of his high OBP (his view being that it couldn't possibly be legitimate since it is largely being driven by an inordinately high BABIP) when his logic for Juan Pierre being "bad at baseball" was the fact that his OBP was "too low" when, in fact, it was slightly better than average.

Conclusion: li'l danny bernstein is confused.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:26 am ]
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Alternate conclusion: JORR spends way too much time and energy caring what Dan BernStine thinks.

:D
Author:  Rod [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:47 am ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Alternate conclusion: JORR spends way too much time and energy caring what Dan BernStine thinks.

:D


Not really. I just find it interesting when guys repeat shit they read on Baseball Prospectus without really thinking about what they're saying. bernstein is just one of them. And one you guys all hear and know.

I don't consider it a bersntein discussion. It's a baseball discussion. While there is obviously some level of randomness to batted balls, I don't think it is anywhere close to what certain members of the SABRmetric community have suggested. Apparently, bernstein agrees with me since he believes fielders can be positioned in a manner to help them make more plays, which suggests that there is- at very least- a likelihood that a ball batted by a particular hitter off a pitch in a certain location will end up in specific places on the field far more often than others.
Author:  good dolphin [ Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:51 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
A strikeout is no worse than any other out.


A strikeout is better than a double play, but at least by hitting the ball there is a chance for an error and getting on base.


There is a school of thought that batted balls are random. That being the case, a strikeout most certainly is far worse than any other kind of out. In fact, we could view any batted ball as a hit, with those being recorded as outs simply happening to go to the wrong place. This is the viewpoint often articulated by bernstein, although not in such a straightforward manner..


The defensive response to a strikeout being no worse than any other out should be that strikeouts are valued no higher for a pitcher than any other out, but that is clearly not true either in theory or practice. The KO is the defensive statistical ideal. This is statistics. The equation has to balance.
Author:  Apologist [ Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:39 pm ]
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Some guys, like Ichiro, sustain high BABIP their whole career. Usually guys with speed, so DeAza somewhat fits that mold.

Bernstein, as has been mentioned, is just parroting thoughts.
Author:  bigfan [ Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:55 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I don't think he's laughing too hard, Bob. His team is hitting about as poorly as the Sox.


Because have the Braves have been a terrible organization and always hire bad coaches.

Braves have won 5 of last 6 and have been hitting very well after a terrible start. Heyward 10 for last 20.

The Braves are an example of a team that did start slow and are not bad.

The point being Dunn, Morrel, Bacon, Rios....this is what Kenny blamed Walker for...especially Bacon
Author:  Chus [ Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:10 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
A strikeout is no worse than any other out.


A strikeout is better than a double play, but at least by hitting the ball there is a chance for an error and getting on base.


There is a school of thought that batted balls are random. That being the case, a strikeout most certainly is far worse than any other kind of out. In fact, we could view any batted ball as a hit, with those being recorded as outs simply happening to go to the wrong place. This is the viewpoint often articulated by bernstein, although not in such a straightforward manner.

That's why I was so puzzled at his suggestion that Theo has somehow figured out a way to better position the fielders in order to eliminate a portion of this randomness.

I am further puzzled by bernstein's conclusion that Alejandro DeAza is "bad at baseball" because of his high OBP (his view being that it couldn't possibly be legitimate since it is largely being driven by an inordinately high BABIP) when his logic for Juan Pierre being "bad at baseball" was the fact that his OBP was "too low" when, in fact, it was slightly better than average.

Conclusion: li'l danny bernstein is confused.


Does Bernsy think that Theo is sending smoke signals from his office between pitches?
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