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| Author: | Brick [ Mon May 21, 2012 1:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Kenny Bad Contract Watch |
Bad Alex Rios = 3 more years about about 12 million. Not Bad, Not Great Jake Peavy = 1 more year at about 17 million. Good Adam Dunn = 3 more years at about about 15 million. Obviously, these could move up or down but 2 of 3 here are actually looking like decent moves. This is a big upgrade from last year when all 3 would be in the Bad category. |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Mon May 21, 2012 1:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kenny Bad Contract Watch |
The difference between being an idiot and a genius is a thin line. If Rios decided he wanted to be a real MLB player Kenny would be shitting rainbows right now. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon May 21, 2012 1:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kenny Bad Contract Watch |
Peavy has an option for next year. The Sox likely are not going to pick that up, and will buy him out for $2mil. He still might end up staying with the Sox, but not for $17mil a year. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Mon May 21, 2012 1:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kenny Bad Contract Watch |
I guess we should add in these too. Good Konerko = $12 million this year, $13.5 million next year. Bad Alexi!!! = $5M then $7M then $9.5M then $10M Last two years could be rough here. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Mon May 21, 2012 1:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kenny Bad Contract Watch |
For clarity, 2012 is the first year mentioned of all of these deals. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Mon May 21, 2012 1:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kenny Bad Contract Watch |
Danks needs to be in consideration as well. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Mon May 21, 2012 1:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kenny Bad Contract Watch |
??? Danks = $2M then $14.25M then $14.25M then $14.25M then $14.25M |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Mon May 21, 2012 1:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kenny Bad Contract Watch |
It looked like he was going to be a stud and now he just seems to be in a holding pattern. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Mon May 21, 2012 1:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kenny Bad Contract Watch |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: ??? Danks = $2M then $14.25M then $14.25M then $14.25M then $14.25M 14 million a year is a lot to give someone who seems pretty average |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon May 21, 2012 1:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kenny Bad Contract Watch |
yeah Danks is rough I could see Dunn having issues in the last two years too. Nothing crippling though |
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| Author: | Brick [ Mon May 21, 2012 1:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kenny Bad Contract Watch |
RFDC wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: ??? Danks = $2M then $14.25M then $14.25M then $14.25M then $14.25M 14 million a year is a lot to give someone who seems pretty average |
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| Author: | Brick [ Mon May 21, 2012 1:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kenny Bad Contract Watch |
rogers park bryan wrote: I could see Dunn having issues in the last two years too. Obviously anything can happen but at this point last year looks like a fluke. My guess is he is good for at least one of those years. He also may be playing for one last contract.
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Tue May 22, 2012 10:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kenny Bad Contract Watch |
Average Value Gavin Floyd - 7M then 9.5M Option For an innings eater, middle of the rotation guy - this is a fair contract - you could probably find a guy cheaper but as a younger guy who can get better (hopefully), it's an investment |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Tue May 22, 2012 10:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kenny Bad Contract Watch |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Bad Alexi!!! = $5M then $7M then $9.5M then $10M Last two years could be rough here. If Alexi is getting his average numbers, the contract is OK. The last two years are big but it was a backloaded deal which is an unaccounted for benefit. |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Tue May 22, 2012 11:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kenny Bad Contract Watch |
Danks may be fine, too early to tell. But $14M for a starting pitcher is becoming the norm for anything above average. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue May 22, 2012 11:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kenny Bad Contract Watch |
Overall the last 2 years, Danks has been nowhere near "above average" |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Tue May 22, 2012 11:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kenny Bad Contract Watch |
I hear you, but what about looking forward? It is really tough with pitchers, and my point was $14M isn't that much if he develops as many expect. We've seen top notch pitchers get paid a lot of money and suck, and it's always the risk you run with signing them to large deals. |
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Tue May 22, 2012 2:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kenny Bad Contract Watch |
denisdman wrote: I hear you, but what about looking forward? It is really tough with pitchers, and my point was $14M isn't that much if he develops as many expect. We've seen top notch pitchers get paid a lot of money and suck, and it's always the risk you run with signing them to large deals. Which is why Jerry normally dont like to sign pitchers long term |
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| Author: | THE INQUISITOR [ Tue May 22, 2012 10:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kenny Bad Contract Watch |
This is from Baseball Prospectus/ Cott's Contracts Jake peavy 3 years/$52M (2010-12), plus 2013 club option 10:$15M, 11:$16M, 12:$17M, 13:$22M club option ($4M buyout) Alex Rios 7 years/$69.835M (2008-14), plus 2015 club option 08:$0.735M, 09:$5.9M, 10:$9.7M, 11:$12M, 12:$12M, 13:$12.5M, 14:$12.5M, 15:$13.5M club option ($1M buyout) Adam Dunn 4 years/$56M (2011-14) 11:$12M, 12:$14M, 13:$15M, 14:$15M Gavin Floyd 4 years/$15.5M (2009-12), plus 2013 club option 09:$0.75M, 10:$2.75M, 11:$5M, 12:$7M, 13:$9.5M club option Matt Thornton 2 years/$12M (2012-13), plus 2014 club option 12:$5.5M, 13:$5.5M, 14:$6M club option ($1M buyout) John Danks 5 years/$65M (2012-16) $7.5M signing bonus (paid between 6/12 and 10/12) 12:$0.5M, 13:$14.25M, 14:$14.25M, 15:$14.25M, 16:$14.25M full no-trade clause for 2012 may block trades to six clubs annually for 2013-16 |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed May 23, 2012 7:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kenny Bad Contract Watch |
RFDC wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: ??? Danks = $2M then $14.25M then $14.25M then $14.25M then $14.25M 14 million a year is a lot to give someone who seems pretty average Danks is not good right now. He'll find a groove where he dominates sometime during the course of this contract. Probably even this year. I'm not sure he'll ever be consistent though. But a solid lefty that will give you about 200 innings/season and a .500 record over the course of that contract isn't a disaster. My biggest problem with the Danks signing is that he could have commanded a couple good young guys and Buehrle could have been signed for similar money. Danks will never be the pitcher Buehrle is and Buehrle was a homegrown "face of the franchise" type guy who you would have had a chance to keep in Chicago for his entire career with that one big contract. |
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