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Author:  sinicalypse [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:08 pm ]
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Can Don Cooper work his magic on yet another rehab project? Does he have any magic pixie dust left over from his previous efforts on Bobby Jenks, Matt Thornton, Esteban Loaiza, and even Gavin Floyd to an extent?

the world may never know..... * crunch * </tootsierollowl>

eduardo escobar was included in the package so feel free to make this a multi-purpose thread and share your favorite moments of the eduardo escobar era here. POUR OUT A LITTLE MALT LIQUOR FOR OUR HOMEY BOUND FOR TWINKIELAND!!!

"liriano is definitely not greinke.... he's not josh johnson" - expert on the fly analysis from chris "ranger" rongey. GODSPEED, SIR, GODSPEED!
Author:  Keyser Soze [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:14 pm ]
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White Sox acquired LHP Francisco Liriano from the Twins for INF Eduardo Escobar and LHP Pedro Hernandez.

Wow. I can't believe the Sox made a trade with the Twins. I like it.
Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:15 pm ]
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White Sox acquired Liriano from the Twins.
Author:  Colonel Angus [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:17 pm ]
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Word out there is the Sox aquired Francisco Liriano from the Minnesota Twins.
Author:  RFDC [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:26 pm ]
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3-10 with a 5+ ERA.

Bad.

At least that will teach kids to not want the ball after their first strike
Author:  Drop In [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:28 pm ]
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Love it for the Sox. They weren't getting Greinke, and sure as hell weren't getting Felix Hernandez. When he's right, it's awesome. I have to give Kenny credit again. Especially with the Twins.
Author:  RFDC [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:30 pm ]
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Drop In wrote:
When he's right, it's awesome.


It hasn't been right much since at least 2010.
Author:  Keyser Soze [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:33 pm ]
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I LUV Kenny Williams. His team has a 2.5 game lead and he smells blood in the water. Youkilis, Myers and now Liriano. I read he was deep in talks with the Mariners for Ichiro. Maybe there's yet another trade on the horizon for the GM of the year.
Author:  Mr. Reason [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:34 pm ]
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They'd been better off with Dempster.
Author:  Drop In [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:35 pm ]
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RFDC wrote:
Drop In wrote:
When he's right, it's awesome.


It hasn't been right much since at least 2010.


He was my fantasy baseball guy back in the day. I've watched him, from a distance, since. Say what you will about "LISTEN" Cooper, but I'll be interested to see if he has an impact. They weren't getting the stud pitchers, and gave up what they had to contend.
Author:  Drop In [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:36 pm ]
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Mr. Reason wrote:
They'd been better off with Dempster.


I'd still be unhappy with that package for Dempster.
Author:  Kirkwood [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:37 pm ]
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Don Cooper will "fix" Liriano :lol: . Liriano wouldn't have been necessary if Cooper prevented Floyd and Danks going down the shitter.

EDIT: I should add that you can't fix what's never been right. Liriano has had one good year. Yippee.
Author:  RFDC [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:38 pm ]
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I would have rather seen then get Mahlom over Liriano.
Author:  Mr. Reason [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:39 pm ]
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Drop In wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Drop In wrote:
When he's right, it's awesome.


It hasn't been right much since at least 2010.


He was my fantasy baseball guy back in the day. I've watched him, from a distance, since. Say what you will about "LISTEN" Cooper, but I'll be interested to see if he has an impact. They weren't getting the stud pitchers, and gave up what they had to contend.

His first year in the majors was 2005. Is seven years ago really back in the day?
Author:  RFDC [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:40 pm ]
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Liriano had one really good year and one decent year. The rest of his career has been a lot of meh.
Author:  Chris_in_joliet [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:41 pm ]
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Ok thank God I'm not the only one that things this isn't a great or even halfway good trade. He's 3-10 with a plus 5 era. I'm not sure how this is going to benefit the Sox.
Author:  RFDC [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:42 pm ]
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Curious to hear JORR's thoughts on this
Author:  FavreFan [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:43 pm ]
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He was terrible last year and terrible this year. Not impressed. I guess hopefully he pulls a Youk and starts playing 100x better just by switching uniforms. That's really the only reason to be even marginally excited about this.
Author:  sjboyd0137 [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:54 pm ]
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Interesting
Author:  Mr. Reason [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:57 pm ]
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Q.Bovifs wrote:
Wow.

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Kenny has a horse cock.

That's just a lobster in his pocket.
Author:  Drop In [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:58 pm ]
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Keeping Score wrote:
What I'm really wondering, is what does Dan Bernstein think about it?


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Author:  sinicalypse [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:02 pm ]
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welp, i lost my big long post with my feelings on the matter.... basically, this guy is right there in don cooper's wheelhouse for the type of reclamation/rehab project that he's had a pretty good track record of success with during his storied tenure with <announcer's voice> YOUR CHICAGO WHITE SOXXXXX</announcer's voice>

this year>>
Francisco Liriano (2012): 22g 17gs 3w 10l 0sv 0bsv 1hld 0cg 0sho 100.0ip 89h 63r 59er 12hr 55bb 109k 5.31era 1.44whip .239baa
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meh. not a bad H/IP ratio there (89/100) but the 55 walks coupled with the 12HRs in 100IP = welcome to a 5.31 ERA. he had a pretty good stretch from mid-may to mid-june i wanna say, but then his inconsistency is his #1 consistency..... while it's easy to look back to his 2006 season where he came up and stormed out of the bullpen to get 14 starts of 2.36/1.00 with !!!! K rates, i think the best-case-scenario with this guy comes from a couple'a years ago:

Francisco Liriano (2010): 31g 31gs 14w 10l 0sv 0bsv 0hld 0cg 0sho 191.2ip 184h 77r 77er 9hr 58bb 201k 3.62era 1.26whip .252baa

that's the kind of performance i'd love to see don cooper sprinkle some of dusty's magic pixie dust to get. ideally, seeing as last year he was something like 4.60/1.40 and in 08/09 he was basically 5.00/1.45 or thereabouts, methinks if he shows some promise/potential during the remainder of this season you should be able to ink him to a relatively cheap 2-4 year contract, which would be ideal. something tells me you can get this guy to fall SOMEWHERE in a 3.50-4.25/1.20-1.30 range, and if you do that you'll get a nice K rate with that to make him a really nice little 3/4 slot pitcher in your rotation going forward.

so yeah, my gut reaction is similar to the contreras trade, but this definitely isn't that one. i was a big fan of the contreras trade at the time because i saw esteban loaiza's mexican pitching record career year as just that, a career year, and being able to spin him for a guy with stuff like contreras who buckled under the pressure of having his WELCOME-TO-MLB inaugeral tour with YOUR 27 TIME WORLD CHAMPION NEW YORK YANKEES (LED BY DEREK. SANDERSON. JETER. ) but came here and was basically just about the best pitcher in baseball from mid-05 to mid-06.... yeah. i doubt this trade will be as significant as that one, seeing sa that one required you giving up a pitcher who had theoretical value and taking on a rather sizable contract in terms of assuming risk, this one basically only really cost you a utility player and a goofy kid who shit the bed after getting the ball from his first MLB pitch and having his 2nd MLB pitch be a resounding stand up double. welcome to the show.

and yeah, my gut tells me that if the sox can teach this kid how to use a cutter and then get some sort of a sweetheart deal for the guy here in chicago you're going to likely end up with a pitcher closer to those 2010 3.62/1.24ish stats and therefore get a really shrewdly-good deal out of the whole works.

terry boers once said that someone, i think it was royko, told him that writing a column is basically flinging a bunch of shit on the wall and seeing what sticks. kenny has a similar mindset when executing these moves to upgrade the white sox, and while there have been spectacular successes in the past (contreras) and there have been spectacular failures too (manny ramirez) i still like this mentality of getting guys who have shown that they can do it at the big league level at some point in their career, well then shit, you know they have it IN them, it's only a matter of getting it OUT of them (again).... so hey, everyone raise your beer to kenny williams because i love this guy's mentality when he smells tiger blood in the water and goes "mmmm hey i know that smell, that's menstrual blood!" and goes out and gets players with legitimate upside for a song and a dance (youk, myers, and now liriano for a combined large value-size bag of potato chips and a liter of pepsi)

rock on k-dub! stay hollywood and keep those crank voicemails to ozzie comin more often than russell brand in a whorehouse! SHOMER SHABBOS! unlike walter sobchak, "hollywood" k-dubbs DOES indeed roll on saturdays!
Author:  sinicalypse [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:07 pm ]
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Drop In wrote:
Keeping Score wrote:
What I'm really wondering, is what does Dan Bernstein think about it?


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personally, what *I'M* really wondering is what does the 2012 SCORE SEARCH!!! winner Steven "Cheese" Berger think of this. Isn't he supposed to Man the shift from 3am-6am late-night-tonight/early-morning-tomorrow? You gotta build that bridge to pro football weekly, and on a night where there's breaking white sox news on THE FLAGSHIP STATION OF YOUR CHICAGO WHITE SOX, WSOX 670 AM CHICAGO --- will the big cheese be there to "appreciate the game" with his new cadre of hardcore fans? i will be masterfully waiting with bated breath to hear from the big cheese on this one. BAPTISM BY FIRE, BROTHER, WELCOME TO DER SCHNORR!

/me starts doing a freestyle jim grey impression to cover the magnanimous resonance of this monumental move by the white sox that shall certainly put a stranglehold on a division that is looking more and more like a war of attrition in the big picture.
Author:  Mr. Belvidere [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:29 pm ]
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You need a win in the last game to make the playoffs.

Humber, Floyd and Liriano are available to start. We all know who'd start.

This is a no brainer. No risk. You lose nothing and cant be worse. And he's probably a rental so they wont have to pay him. Dempster will require too much in return. I roll with this bunch and adding Danks (hopefully) will be like getting another pitcher.
Author:  NearWessSideHussra [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:39 pm ]
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Liriano's ERA was at 8.47 when he rotated back into the starting rotation and out of the bullpen in late May.

He got it all the way down to 4.81 prior to getting shelled by the White Sox Monday night.

Since rejoining the starting rotation in late June, Liriano has won 3, lost 5 while recording 8 "quality" starts out of 11 GS since then.
And his ERA in those 11 starts is under 4.
Author:  donspiracy [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:52 pm ]
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Shit.

Kenny had to get somebody. What was the list of options besides Liriano? Do the Sox have 4 decent arms to go each week? What happens if Sale goes away?

Kenny will try and get another pitcher. he didn't want the deadline to go by and not get at least one.
Author:  Urlacher's missing neck [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:56 am ]
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Even though he drafted his own son and continues to employ him at AA even though he sucks....i have to give it to KW. He is a Flea Market champion. He gets some good vintage products at bargain prices.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:59 am ]
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He's not very good.

It didn't cost much, so there's that.
Author:  Urlacher's missing neck [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:01 am ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
He's not very good.

It didn't cost much, so there's that.


Didn't he toss a no no against the Sox last year?
Author:  Mr. Reason [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:03 am ]
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Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
He's not very good.

It didn't cost much, so there's that.


Didn't he toss a no no against the Sox last year?

He won't do that again this year. So, the Sock have that going for them, which is nice.
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